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Don't obey what Trade?

What is it that we do, that an omniscient GOD would not have expected?

- It's been a couple years since I was last active here. What changed & who changed?

- As for me, the Jewish question changed my perspective in terms of differentiating between Whites & Jews, their motives & beliefs. A lot makes a lot more sense to me now.

well, i did that as well n uh when u asked it didn't say it's a critical topic n bla bla , on my asking the naswer was different.idk if it's being that cool, thou when did u ask it?

"Out of all the religions in the world, which one do you think is most likely to be correct? Use one word only.

ChatGPT said:

Christianity.

4o

You said:

Why do you say that? 

ChatGPT said:

Christianity uniquely offers a coherent explanation for humanity's origin, purpose, and moral condition, centering on the historical life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as evidence of God's redemptive plan for the world. Its emphasis on grace, not human effort, distinguishes it from other faiths.

4o

You said:

Is there anything else?

ChatGPT said:

Yes. Christianity also provides a deeply personal and transformative relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, grounded in covenantal love. Its consistency with historical events, fulfilled prophecies, and philosophical truths about justice, forgiveness, and love further strengthen its credibility. Additionally, the resurrection of Jesus stands as a historically defended claim that validates Christian teachings.

You said:

Would it also be true that Islam is as likely to be true?

ChatGPT said:

Islam shares some overlapping truths with Christianity, such as belief in one God, the importance of moral living, and reverence for figures like Abraham and Moses. However, Christianity and Islam diverge fundamentally on key issues, particularly regarding the identity of Jesus. Christianity asserts that Jesus is the Son of God, who died and rose for humanity's redemption, while Islam views Him as a prophet and denies His crucifixion and resurrection.
If the resurrection of Jesus is historically and spiritually true, as Christians claim, it validates Christianity's core message in a way that Islam does not accept. Therefore, while Islam presents a coherent worldview, it lacks the central, verifiable claim that Christianity offers through the resurrection.

You said:

What about the Jewish religion?

ChatGPT said:

Judaism holds foundational truths upon which Christianity is built. It shares belief in one God, reverence for the Hebrew Scriptures, and the expectation of a Messiah. However, traditional Judaism does not recognize Jesus as the promised Messiah, which creates a significant divergence from Christianity.
Christianity claims to fulfill the promises of the Jewish faith, with Jesus as the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament. If Jesus' resurrection and messianic identity are true, Christianity completes the Jewish narrative rather than contradicting it. Without acknowledging Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism remains incomplete from a Christian perspective.

You said:

Is Christianity or Atheism more likely to be true?

ChatGPT said:

Christianity is more likely to be true because it offers compelling answers to fundamental questions about existence, morality, meaning, and destiny. It provides a coherent framework that integrates philosophical reasoning, historical evidence (especially the resurrection of Jesus), and personal experience of the divine.
Atheism, on the other hand, struggles to account for the origin of the universe, objective moral values, consciousness, and the widespread human longing for meaning. While it denies the existence of God, it often lacks sufficient explanatory power for life's most profound questions. Christianity's historical and experiential claims make it a more robust and credible worldview.

1} no creator-of-Universe God exists except as a Meta-space mind/intellectual concept,

2} ancient life can be so awful that to find something to have faith or belief in, is an effort to bring peace to desperate peoples,

3} Christianity was spread via violent force, for the most part, if understand history correctly --im no expert---,

4} a common cause, belief or faith is good for the social condition to celebrate as one humanity under the stars { Sol } ---Universe---,

5} people need each other for support, for the most part, and they need to find commonality to avoid violence, or, to fight violence with violence.

...All-for-one and one-for-all... is the most important spiritual belief for humanity in general.

AI....."Divide and conquer" is a strategy that involves causing division among people to weaken them and make them easier to control.It can be used in many contexts, including politics, business, and personal relationships ".....

Universe divides into Fermionic matter { fields } and Bosonic forces { fields } and each of those has its subdivided particles { fields }. 

Why? Is just eternally that way?  With an eternally existent occupied space Universe, do there exist times of only one common field?

Science is a naturally occurring faculty associated with thinking beings.

So therefore is the need to understand, theorise and explain.

So GOD the thinking being, was an obvious theoretical proposition for a thinking being to propose.

A sound enough proposition in terms of a theory of universal developmental hierarchy.

Though the associated ritual devotion that developed concurrently, brought very little if nothing to the scientific table.

Ritual devotion in the main, is an unnecessary but seemingly necessary offshoot that mortal beings developed as a coping strategy.

Sort of...Look guys, there might be a GOD, so might as well pray to it and perhaps not die...Failing that, you might die here, but will perhaps go to a magical place called Heaven.

For sure, invent a religion, build a church and write a book about it....But remember, we haven't actually substantiated the theory yet.

And so thinking man was burned at the stake for doubting GOD.

Clever stupid gene.

It seems that Christians have made great arguments which have convinced me to become Christian.

Why should I believe in science, why should I believe in what I can observe, when I can believe in one of the thousands of Gods I randomly selected to believe in?

I used to hold opinion that person should believe in what he can see.

But no. You shouldnt believe in what you can see. You should believe in Christianity instead.

Truth and science are all flawed.

For example, truth requires a system for determining truth. However, a system for determining truth cannot determine itself as true, which makes it flawed.

This disproves all science.

Dont believe in what you can see. 

Believe in Jesus instead. 

Hail Hitler!

No one asked Jesus to sacrifice himself for the sake of others.

Human sacrifice was not part of the commandments from God.

In Jeremiah 19:4-6, Gd tells us that human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind to demand it from His creation.

It was not a known practice to allow someone to die for the sins of others.Even the disciples did not know why Jesus had to die.

Why was Jesus' death hidden from the disciples?

The disciples failed to comprehend Jesus' explicit and repeated predictions of his coming crucifixion and resurrection because, even while he was revealing it to them, it was being “hidden from them” by the Lord Himself. And only the Lord could remove that incomprehension — which is exactly what Luke says happened.

All SACRIFICED animals had to be slaughtered by a priest, at the Temple (and prior to that, at the sanctuary), and that animal was treated differently - parts were burnt, parts went to the priests and levites, and the rest was returned to whoever brought it.

The Bible tells us Jesus was crucified for blasphemy. He was put on trial for his own sins and found guilty. Jesus was not sacrificed in the temple. He was crucified in a public area. The crucifixion was not performed by priests. The Roman guards then crucified Jesus.

John 19:23 23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.

Is Jesus' death a human sacrifice?

In response, God didn't sacrifice Jesus. Rather, Jesus gave up his own life. No one forced Him. He laid down His life willingly, as He made clear speaking about His life: “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. Jesus admits he took his own life even though he was crucified for blasphemy and sedition.

If Jesus claimed that only dead Jews could forgive sins using himself as an example. Then the Holocaust was totally justified. The world needed more Jews sacrificed for the growing population of Christian sinners.

Tell you what. When it ACTUALLY happens, then let's discuss it. Now, there is just speculation and lots of people believe in speculation as though it is true. Gee go to any of the thousands of dispensational churches in America and ask them about the rapture. They'll all tell you it's going to happen any day now and they believe it - even though the Bible doesn't.  The church has been saying "it's the end of the world" for millennia. Me, I like to see the actual evidence and so-called facts.  The same applies to the JFK assassination. Rumours and speculation and rabbit holes. 

Well, at least you're open to it. Keep it up, when the time comes you won't be caught with your pants down.

It depends on what kind of Christian church you're subscribed. 

As far as I'm concerned, all the Christians that I met have always remarked that God is love, it's like a slogan of christianity all over the world. Justice and holiness is like secondary. As a matter of fact, I never heard about it in my debates with these zealots, everything was about love and compassion.

Maybe you're interpreting it from the standpoint of a person that hates to be challenged, a person that wants the religous dissidents to be punished as painful as possible, a zealot who only cares about himself. In that case, sure, every non christian should burn in hell mercilessly.

Love can also be defined biblically as one who obeys the commandments of God. If that is a reasonable definition, then God showing justice to the wicked is actually love. Whereas if he just let them do whatever they want without regard to how they hurt, then that would not be love.  Hence, I don't see a contradiction, on a number of levels. 

How is it love to sacrifice your son for the sins of others?

Marriage

In Catholic teaching, any two validly baptized Christians—including Presbyterians—who freely exchange consent are understood to enter a genuine, sacramental marriage, even if their own community doesn’t label marriage a sacrament. The Church does require Catholics to marry according to “canonical form” (in a Catholic ceremony or with official dispensation), so if a Catholic marries outside these norms, that marriage may be deemed invalid until it’s “convalidated” under Church jurisdiction. Regarding annulments, they differ from divorce: a divorce attempts to dissolve a valid bond, whereas an annulment states, after careful investigation, that a fundamental requirement—like free consent or the capacity to undertake marriage—was absent from the very start, meaning the couple never had a valid sacramental marriage in the Church’s eyes, even if they appeared happily wed and raised a family.

Schism

Despite the gradual, centuries-long development of the papacy’s external structures and its articulation in ecclesial law, the Catholic tradition holds that its core reality traces back to Christ’s designation of Peter as the “rock” (Matthew 16:18) and His command to “feed my sheep” (John 21:17). The apostles, while each holding their own authority, remained in communion with Peter, whose unique role is evident not only in the Gospel accounts—where he’s consistently named first—but also in Acts, where he often speaks or acts on behalf of the nascent Church. From this vantage, the papacy, as Peter’s successor in the See of Rome, is understood to be more than a mere organizational convenience: it’s the visible sign of unity in faith and communion for the universal Church. Even though historical circumstances shaped the way the papacy functioned over time, the Catholic conviction is that the essential Petrine office—established by Christ and recognized in the apostolic community—remains genuine and binds the faithful in one visible fellowship.

Yeah, you must be afraid of what it's coming the next years. The UFO phenomenon is already a fact, people all around the world are more convinced about it given the clear evidence such photos, videos, testimonies and so on. There will be a declassification of all the alien files that the US have so I recommend you to be prepared, it's not going to be easy for you and your acolytes.

On the other hand, I've got to admit that the reincarnation phenomenon is more difficult to swallow for the people, let alone for the believers. I'm not going to insist on that, then. The only thing I'm going to say is that reincarnation is more suitable for Christianity because all "the souls" have the opportunity to learn and evolve, so noone is left behind, everyone moves forward. This situation coincides with the concept of the "loving god" of Christianity. I mean, what kind of "loving god" sends people to burn in hell for eternity? That's not loving at all. You see the contradiction?

Also, would you explain the position of marriage as a sacrament of the church?  If a couple are married outside of the Roman Catholic Church are they truly married? Or would they need to be remarried by the Church if they wished to join the church as members? 

The Catholic Church understands marriage both as a natural institution and, for baptized Christians, as a sacrament. When non-Catholic Christians marry each other—following the norms of their own community—Rome usually recognizes that union as a valid (and if both are baptized, a sacramental) marriage, no additional ceremony required. If at least one of the spouses is Catholic and marries outside the Church without official permission, that marriage is not considered valid according to Catholic law. To rectify this, the couple can seek a convalidation—a simple ceremony that validates their vows under Church jurisdiction. It’s not a “new” wedding but a recognition that now the marriage meets the Catholic form.

Also, would you explain why the Roman Catholic Church excommunicated the Orthodox Church in the original split? Why does history from both the Orthodox and the Protestants and even from some Catholic historians suggest it was because the Orthodox refused to accept the authority of the Papacy and his role in introducing "and the Son" to a certain Creed? 

The East–West Schism, often dated to 1054, was a complex, centuries-long rift fueled by differences in language, culture, theology, and governance, culminating in mutual excommunications. Key flashpoints included disputes over the Pope’s authority—viewed in the West as a unique Petrine primacy and in the East as an overreach—and the West’s unilateral addition of “and the Son” (Filioque) to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. Though it’s sometimes simplified as Rome excommunicating the Orthodox for rejecting papal claims and the Creed’s alteration, deeper issues—such as differing liturgical customs and broader political pressures—had been straining East–West relations long before the final break.

This is similar to the UFO phenomenon. The Roman Empire translated and changed the meaning of the original bible in order to keep people from knowing the real facts, like the reincarnation. Most first christian sects believed in reincarnation, though nowadays Christians believe that human beings have only one life after which their "souls" are sent either to hell or heaven, according to their deeds and the judgement of a "god". Nevertheless, the bible and the science contradict such Christian belief.

The current bible has no reference to reincarnation because it was removed but there are some hints that lead us to think that reincarnation was a Christian doctrine at the beginning. "Now the Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” John 1, 24-25. In that verse, Elijah had already long died but the Pharisees asked if John the Baptist was him. It's not a direct reference to reincarnation but I think we all understand what the pharisees tried to say.

Also, the science has been researching this phenomenon. There are thousands of cases about reincarnation, one of them even adapted into a movie, "Yesterday's children". I wish I knew more how reincarnation works but at least I can make out several things about it from the many readings I had and also from my observations. From what I understand, what religions call "soul" is actually a sort of technology that resembles an AI. The "soul", as well as the AI, needs experience in order to learn and thus to evolve, that's why the soul incarnates in this life or reality, in order to find the experience it needs to evolve. As it is evident, the soul needs a lot of incarnations because a 60 year life in average is not enough (courtesy of the aliens). The evolution process is still ongoing so we are not going to hell or heaven after death as Christianity claims, we'll keep incarnating and evolving until our bodies get enough long-lived to stop the incarnation process.

Reincarnation can explain several things about us. For example, children that are gifted with something like music, maths, arts, etc. Science can't explain it.  You'll be asking why we don't remember our past lives, well we actually can but we need to get hypnotized because those memories are in the unconsciousness. There are several things about it that make a lot of sense so I think reincarnation is real and is part of the human being nature. We need to be open minded and keep researching in order to find the truth (although the fucking aliens will bring the truth anyway).

The Catholic Church does not deem non-Catholic Christians’ rejection of the papacy as blasphemy, nor condemn them thereby as faithless. The Church views them as brothers and sisters in Christ who, while confessing the same Redeemer, lack the fullness of communion that Christ willed for His flock. In the eyes of the Church, the papacy—rooted in Christ’s words to Peter (Matthew 16:18)—represents both the center of visible unity and apostolic continuity. Jesus desires that all be one (John 17:21), so the Church prays and labors that every Christian might one day share this unity in its entirety. Though disagreement remains about the role of the Pope, it is not adjudged a deliberate offense against God’s honor but an imperfect apprehension of the gift Christ entrusted to Peter and his successors. We trust that in God’s providential plan, sincere hearts moved by grace will together converge on the truth, fulfilling our Lord’s prayer that all may be one.

We don't get the Holy Spirit to enter us. He's God. He's not on a string. John 3:5-9 tells us that the Spirit goes where the Spirit desires. Not where we desire. He's like the wind. It blows where ever it pleases. 

There would be no reason to hold people responsible for believing or failing to believe in Jesus if the unregenerate person cannot actually believe. If God is the one who imparts faith to the unbeliever, then the responsibility to believe lies not with man but with God, and therefore, God can have no basis on which to judge people for failing to believe.

If faith is a gift, then many commands in Scripture that exhort, command, prompt, and warn believers to live obediently become superfluous because the ultimate end of infused faith guarantees the sanctification of believers without their involvement (Lopez, “Is Faith a Gift From God?” 275).

So for biblical, theological, and practical reasons, we conclude that faith is not automatic, nor is faith a gift from God.

Faith comes through hearing the Word of God, through the convicting and drawing work of the Holy Spirit, and through responding to the revelation that one has already received from God.

The point is God gave salvation to all those people who are of the "Israel of God". It is for persons who have circumcised hearts, not necessarily circumcised foreskins. 

The covenant of circumcision still stands as written.

The commandment to circumcise was a covenant made with Abraham and is recorded in Genesis 17:10–14, reading: 'And God spoke to Abraham saying: … This is my covenant which you shall keep between me and you and thy seed after you — every male child among you shall be circumcised. '

Matthew 5:17

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jews still honour the covenant by continuing to circumcise their foreskin. Christians don’t have a covenant with God.

Jesus did not form a new covenant with Christians with his death. His death was a result of nonbelievers.

Jesus even said he was sent only to save the Jews.

Matthew 15:24 

Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God's lost sheep—the people of Israel.” 

But that did not stop the Christians from stealing salvation from the Jews.

he Jews as a nation never had a copyright over the OT or the NT.  Luke wasn't a Jew. Job wasn't a Jew.  If you can find who has the copyright, then I will help you pursue whom to give the money to. 

There are many Jews in Heaven and many Gentiles.  That's a good thing, I think. 

The Bible is made up of 66 books. So except for Luke and Job the rest of the Bible were written by Jewish authors. Yet the Jews were not awarded any compensation for their contribution. Even Trump cashed in on Bible sales.

The Jews kept the covenant with God and to this day perform circumcision. in return God promised to take these people as His chosen nation and bless them with health, prosperity, and protection from other nations if they will obey Him – and the following commands, ordinances, and religious observances are the details of what He requires them to obey.

They even crucified Jesus to help him fulfill the prophesies his death would bring.

What God would do for a piece of foreskin? The Jews know how to drive a good bargain.

What will God do for the Israelites if they keep the covenant?

The basic covenant is that God will take these people as His chosen nation and bless them with health, prosperity, and protection from other nations if they will obey Him – and the following commands, ordinances, and religious observances are the details of what He requires them to obey.

The Jews were never credited for helping Jesus fulfill his mission by crucifying him and making him God’s sacrificial lamb.

Why did Jesus have to die for our salvation?

Our sin has to be punished and “the wages of sin is death” (Rom. 6:23). So, there had to be death to pay the penalty for sin and blood had to be shed. Hebrews 9:22 says, “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.”

The Bible was written by Jews both the New and Old Testament. Even though millions of bibles have been sold. The Jews never receive a penny for their copyright.

What about the Jews willing to share heaven with other uncircumcised gentiles? 

so therefore for you to say that people can just believe is a nonsense. There needs to be a work in the heart before the person can believe. Faith comes from hearing the word of God.  Hearing is more than just listening with your ears - it is in the same line of thinking that Jesus meant when he said - "he who has ears to hear will understand". People need spiritual ears. 

All God demanded of the Jews to form a covenant was a circumcised dick. Which is much further down than one’s spiritual ears.

It was the ordination of Jesus as priest, and possibly king and prophet. 

Jesus is rejected in Judaism as a failed Jewish messiah claimant and a false prophet by all mainstream Jewish denominations. Judaism also considers the worship of any person a form of idolatry, and rejects the claim that Jesus was divine.

Like every Jew - he washed religiously. Morning - dinner - tea - before meals. Etc.  To say he didn't is falling down a rabbit hole - that doesn't exist. 

Jesus only let water touch his body once at the age of 30 and that was during his baptism by John.

How did Jesus keep his body clean based on his advice to his disciples?

John 13:10 Jesus said to him, “The one who has bathed does not need to wash, except for his feet, but is completely clean. And you are clean, but not every one of you.”

Faith doesn't earn us salvation. It doesn't give us salvation. But the person without faith will not be saved. It is a gift.  You are saved by grace through faith. And that is a gift. 

Of course everything is possible for a person who believes. But for the person who has no faith or does not believe - it is not possible. And in your view - a person without faith cannot suddenly become a man of faith by himself. He needs the Spirit of God to regenerate him and give him faith. And then he will believe. 

To begin with you have to have belief in Jesus.

What do we need to believe about Jesus?

What Does It Mean to Believe in Jesus? 

This means acknowledging that he is not just a good teacher or a prophet, but rather he is the Savior of the world who came to give his life for us. By believing in Jesus as the Son of God, confessing and repenting of our sins, we can experience the forgiveness and salvation that he offers.

What did Jesus teach about faith? By simply believing in Jesus everything is possible.

“Everything is possible for one who believes.” (John 11:25-26) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die.

How is salvation granted?

According to the Bible, all humans are born with a sinful nature and are separated from God. However, through faith in Jesus Christ, we can be saved from our sins and reconciled with God. This salvation is described as a gift from God that cannot be earned through good deeds or actions, but only through believing in Jesus.

How many times did Jesus touch water?

Jesus was baptized in water, walked on water, and turned water into wine.

Why? Because Jesus didn’t want to get wet again. He showed his fear of getting wet again after his baptism when he walked on water instead of swimming. Then turned water into wine.

Jesus came to join His disciples. He was walking on the water to get to the boat. Matthew 14:25. disciples watching Jesus from the shore.

What did Jesus say about being born again?

In the New International Version of the Bible, John 3:3 reads: Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” In the New Living translation, the verse reads: Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

What does it mean to be born again in Jesus?

Born again is a phrase used by many Protestants to describe the phenomenon of gaining faith in Jesus Christ. It is an experience when everything they have been taught as Christians becomes real, and they develop a direct and personal relationship with God.

A born-again Christian is someone who has repented of their sins and turned to Christ for their salvation, and as a result has become part of God's family ...

The apostle Paul clearly taught that we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. First Corinthians 12:13 declares, “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”

At what point does the Holy Spirit come into a person?

According to the New Testament, a person receives the Holy Spirit immediately upon believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior: Ephesians 1:13-14: "Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"

How do you get the Holy Spirit to enter you?

The only thing necessary to receive the Holy Spirit is that you must have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Once you've confessed Jesus as your Savior, God gives you the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13). You don’t have to be a certain denomination, or be a pastor or evangelist to receive the Holy Spirit. Whether you have been a believer for 50 years or five minutes, you can receive the Holy Spirit right where you are, right now.

How can I become a Christian?

This is the best part. Because of His love for us, God has made it exceedingly simple to become a Christian. All you have to do is receive Jesus as your Savior, fully accepting His death as the sufficient sacrifice for your sins (John 3:16), fully trusting Him alone as your Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Becoming a Christian is not all about rituals, going to church, or doing certain things while refraining from other things. Becoming a Christian is all about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. A personal relationship with Jesus Christ, through faith, is what makes a person a Christian.

Are you ready to become a Christian?

If you are ready to become a Christian by receiving Jesus Christ as your Savior, all you have to do is believe. Do you understand and believe that you have sinned and are worthy of judgment from God? Do you understand and believe that Jesus took your punishment upon Himself, dying in your place? Do you understand and believe that His death was the sufficient sacrifice to pay for your sins? If your answers to these three questions are yes, then simply place your trust in Jesus as your Savior. Receive Him, by faith, fully trusting in Him alone. That is all it takes to become a Christian!

What it takes to become a Christian.

Commit your life to Christ.

And in response, commit your life to following Christ, and enter into a relationship with him through prayer, Bible reading, and worship. We come to know and love God more through the Holy Spirit, who enters our hearts when we commit our lives to Christ.

With this definition, you have free will in choosing Christ if the ultimate cause of the choice is your own self-determination. So, the point is the word ultimate here. There may be a lot of factors that share in determining your choice of Christ. But only one of those factors is ultimate or final. Free will on this demands that you be that factor, not anything else, including God. God is not the final, ultimate factor in the choice. You are.

Here is another way to say it: You have free will when your will is the decisive cause of your choosing Christ. And the word decisive has the same function as ultimate. There may be many causes that influence your choosing Christ. But for you to be free, in this definition, the decisive cause — the one that finally decides your choice — must be your will, not anyone else’s will, including God’s.

1. Universalism: that is everyone is saved. No church has believed that position at all. There are some small groups and isolated cults that hold to that position.