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@zedvictor4
Regarding that last comment I’d love to see a genealogy, I don’t think it being 1,000 years out would necessarily make it nuanced or anything, if your doing an internal critique you’d also have to accept that, as to how the record was obtained, I am unaware, most scholars think the gospels drew upon another source that either didn’t survive or hasn’t been found yet. Jesus could’ve known it through the Father, his (non-biological) father Joseph could’ve told him, tons of possibilities.
And the 2 flesh become 1 isn’t mumbo jumbo, you need to take into context for the “flesh of David”
Sadly brother d hasn’t responded to my debate request
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@zedvictor4
I think that would imply god (as in the father or/& the holy spirit) created the son which they didnt, its a curious question because the virgin birth is not discussed in detail.
Jesus was also of Mary though, & mary is of david since she was married to joseph (Joseph is directly from david, if your curious read the genealogies) and since they were married their "flesh" became one
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@Stephen
Apologies for clogging up your thread, I’ll move to a debate with brother Thomas
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Barring that you didn’t use the word “the” instead of “an” in your Bible stupid misguided quote above, you therefore agreed that Jesus was the messiah in your statement, understand the English language? Huh?
I made a grammatical error, that does not dismiss the fact that you said Jesus was not from the line of David when the Bible in the 1st few verses says he is.
Most certainly, and I have forgotten more than you will EVER LEARN from the Bible in your entire lifetime Bible fool!
You either forgot the genealogy or skipped over it, I’m betting the later
Now, to not clog up Stephens thread with another topic of your comical assumption that Jesus is from the line of David, then you are to create a new thread about Jesus being the messiah in this respect, where I will literally Bible Slap you Silly®️ in front of the membership at your expense upon this topic! UNDERSTOOD?
Well I can’t make threads, given I haven’t made 25 posts, but I did dm you challenging you to an debate over it, dm me back and we will work out the details.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
NO! Neither Adam or Eve could have a belly button because Adam was made from earthly dust
I don’t think Adam was created literally from dust, even if he was how does it follow he couldn’t have a belly button?
by my serial killer Jesus as God ( Genesis 2:19)
Not necessarily true, “we” could be referring to god & the angels, not necessarily the trinity (although I think it does) ns where you got serial killer from either
and Eve was made from ONE, I repeat, ONE of Adams ribs, therefore Adam should have had only 11 ribs
Umm, I don’t think so. Every human has 24 ribs in total, so he’d have 23.
and this godly gene should have been passed on to his children, but as shown, it didn't because men have 12 ribs just like the 2nd class woman Eve!
How does it follow the “god gene” (which it isn’t even a gene more of a essence) should’ve been passed down? And why does Adam having 23 ribs show he doesn’t have the “gene”, I agree he doesn’t but that’s poor reasoning
Therefore, with the biblical axioms portrayed above, it is truly embarrassing to see fine artists depict Adam and Eve with navels as shown in this ungodly painting herewith which is BLASPHEME:
I don’t think you understand what blasphemy is.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Adamantly within the scriptures, Jesus is greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and a malevolent. I accept the aforementioned true description of Jesus within the Bible, and I do not try and apologetically spin doctor His true self away, understood Bible fool?
I’d like to see reasonings for all of these, and don’t run away, provide the verses & context.
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@linate
Would you define omnipotence? It means the ability to do anything but does it appeal to the laws of logic or no? (Meaning could god do something illogical, like making a round square)
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@FLRW
Im sorry to hear about that, its odd why an all loving god would take people away from us, or even allow evil in general. But I don't think he does things for no reason, don't you think it'd be horrible if people had to live in their sins forever? That is the reason god drove us out of the garden, it would be far better to be in heaven than to live in our sins.
Now this wouldnt answer the question of evil, if your curious for my answer for that I don't mind going into details about it.
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@Best.Korea
This doesn't really contribute anything to the form, ngl.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Dont get the wrong idea, I dont think Jesus fulfilled the people's expectations of the messiah, that's part of what got him killed, but he is indeed from the line of david
even if he wasnt the evidence behind the resurrection would be yahweh's public vindication's of the man who was rejected as a blasphemer.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
1st off this has absolutely nothing to do with if Jesus is or is not messiah, I was answering why he was crucified, and it wasnt because he claimed to be messiah, instead because he claimed to be son of man.
Heads up Bible fool, Jesus was NOT THE MESSIAH, because He had to be born "from the flesh of the line of David" of which He was NOT!
Have you read the bible? I dont like criticizing people because they haven't read the whole bible but quite literally the 1st few verses of the bible explain the lineage of jesus
Matthew 1:1-16:
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,Isaac the father of Jacob,Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,Perez the father of Hezron,Hezron the father of Ram,4 Ram the father of Amminadab,Amminadab the father of Nahshon,Nahshon the father of Salmon,5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,Obed the father of Jesse,6 and Jesse the father of King David.David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,Rehoboam the father of Abijah,Abijah the father of Asa,8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,Jehoram the father of Uzziah,9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,Jotham the father of Ahaz,Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,Manasseh the father of Amon,Amon the father of Josiah,11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.12 After the exile to Babylon:Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,Abihud the father of Eliakim,Eliakim the father of Azor,14 Azor the father of Zadok,Zadok the father of Akim,Akim the father of Elihud,15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,Eleazar the father of Matthan,Matthan the father of Jacob,16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
clearly shows he is from the lineage of david
Since Jesus was born by Marys own son Jesus celestially impregnating her in spiritual incest
That is completely false, again in the very 1st chapter of the bible Matthew 1:18:
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
It was the holy spirit, not the son, and as we know the holy spirit is not the son, the son is not the father, and the father is not the holy spirit.
and since Mary is a LEVITE as shown within the scriptures and not from the the line of David, then Jesus cannot be the messiah as explained above, period!
Where did you get her being a levite? Mary was not a Levite, as tribal affiliation in ancient Israel came through the father and Mary’s father (Joachim) was from the tribe of Judah.
Since Joseph WAS NOT Jesus' "paternal father," and was from the line of David, but as the Bible says, the messiah has to be from the flesh of David's line, therefore Joseph's Davidic line is moot! Get it?
Oooooh so your saying he's not of David since Mary wasn't of David's flesh, Genesis 2:24 says they will become 1 flesh from marriage, and as we know david & mary were married (although joseph was reluctant to do intercourse), making them one flesh, therefore from the flesh of david's line.
Seth Brown, learn your Bible before you make a Bible fool of yourself in front of the membership again, okay? We thank you in advance.
I hate to be rude but you sprouted lies, im not sure what you mean I need to learn my own bible when it doesnt appear as if you understand it.
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@Stephen
Jesus wasn’t crucified for being an messiah, there isn’t anything in the track dates that day it’s criminal to claim to be the messiah, many Jews have done it before & after Jesus, what earned him his condemnation infront of the Sanhedrin was claiming to be the son of man, that would truly be criminal since the son of man is divine in a sense (he can forgive sins & will rule over heaven), but you see the Sanhedrin didn’t have the ability to carry out capital punishment, so they presented him to the Roman authorities as a political figure, this allowed the Roman authorities to punish him with what was fit for an political figure, the cross.
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