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@Bullish
Um, I see oro’s dashboard of you having claimed several roles... care to elaborate what’s up with that?
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@Greyparrot
Why are you VTLing yourself?
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@Speedrace
Until I get caught up...
VNTL
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@SirAnonymous
Get on here. You're 19 pages behind. If you wait any longer, it'll hit 30.
25... someone please give me the tl;dr!
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Hello everyone... the joint probably of me being mafia this many times in a row assures that it is highly unlikely... that said, as unlikely as being scum in so many games in a row, the probability of it having actualized is 1.00, and it is unlikely to have any effect on it unless the roles are not randomly assigned.
In any case, I haven’t checked my PM role yet. Nervous and excited to find out if I’m town; and then if so, hopefully it’s confirmed in the end game instead of the graveyard.
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@drafterman
@Speedrace
@SirAnonymous
Responding to #276
Please vote
I don't want to hold up the game with what's going on in my personal life, so I'll cast a throwaway vote (I haven't finished catching up, instead focusing on posts directed to me... I'll try to finish reading tomorrow morning before I get back on the road).
@sirAnon
I'll trust your ability and judgement to control the DP. While I get the irony as I'm putting this on your shoulders, but please don't let people pressure you too much.
@drafter
VNTL
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@SirAnonymous
Responding to #223
Activity, please.
Sorry about this, travel plans which began on early Friday have both required more of my attention than anticipated, and when they should have been over about six hours ago, have unexpected been extended an extra day. I need to be back home tomorrow by 7pm for a birthday party, and after that I'll be good to really focus.
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@SirAnonymous
Responding to #105
How do you respond to this:Not sure about Zar, but his posts feel manufactured. In fact, when Zar was telling him that scum uses a mask and filters what they say, versus town who just says whatever, he didn't respondBesides that, I've modded a game where he was Mafia, as well as played in games where he was Mafia. Last time, I correctly predicted that he was scum, so going with my gut again this time seems wise
Let's break it apart a little...
- I already responded to this general thought thread with the originator (Singularity): https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3561/post_links/151671
Granted, I did not do a lengthy reply to her, because she's not worth it. - This talk of "manufactured" came from her accusing me of inventing a post, I used the term manufactured and links to the post to verify she really wrote it, and then she went into gas-lighting by using my own word to say my defense of GP's sarcasm was manufactured (given that he and I are a scum team I guess?). ... This is not to say my words shouldn't be dissected, same as anyone else; but not randomly lying and such has got to be the weirdest scum slip.
- That we did not all immediately out all our roles in DP1, is because for town to win, we choose our words with some care and generally conceal information. AKA wear masks. Of course, so does mafia.
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12 pages to get through. I’m about to start, but if anyone else is on right now a tl;dr would be much appreciated.
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Traveling this weekend, but I'll catch up on everything tomorrow night.
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@Singularity
Scum have to wear a mask and choose the words. Town can afford to write from the heart and ignore all personal masks
Says the woman who wrote this: "but as an asian woman I beg you to vote for ragnar," and back in DP1 offered to send revealing pictures of yourself to get people to do what you want. None of those things have anything to do with this game.
As I've said before, you're either scum or insane. Either way, the town benefits from being rid of you.
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@Singularity
I never accused you of manufacturing my words. I accused you into manufacturing your own in some artificial way.
Post #271. You denied writing the post.
When accused of something on the 15th, you've waited until the 17th to clarify any misunderstanding; opting to first deny having written the post.
I honestly see my error. Your behavior since has been scum desperation; and it honestly feels like someone else advised you to switch tactics away from denying writing the message.
Your posts seem self conscious. Is my explanation. You mentioned putting thoughts into your posts, which can happen as town but is usually indicative of scum as town is looking to find scum and thoughtfulness implies you care more for image management than scum hunting.
If we followed this standard, our biggest thinker this game has been SirAnon, who you would say we should lynch for being so thoughtful. Granted Greyparrot might agree, but Grey believes we should lynch anyone who suggests ways powers could be used in scum hunting.
I am town. I am a headhunter and will 100% target you after my lynch. If I target you and are wrong, we lose another member of town. A lynch of me could be game over for town if you are town, if you are scum, I will 100% hit scum and now you guys are most likely down to 1 person. I would remove your vote from me
Kill me tonight then. By outing your power, you'll be NKed and have zero chance of using it against scum. If you believe I'm scum, you should be fine with the lynching to then kill me after.
"You are the HUNTER. If you are lynched, you may select a person to die during the following Twilight Phase."
Or you can flip flop, and decide to be a ManBearPig with a bunch of different powers, claiming whatever suits you in the moment...
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@Zaradi
Has ragnar claimed? He should if he hasn't
See above #334, it has a link to each time someone claimed and what they claimed. It's a setup I copied from Oro, but with links added to decrease the repeated legwork.
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@SirAnonymous
First off, thanks for that detailed analysis of everyone.
Ragnar Warren VANILLA: Firstly, this post seems a little weird. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3532/post_links/149873 It seems to imply that he was considering opposing the oro lynch, which doesn't sound towny to me. I don't like how he's playing. It feels manufactured, but that could be normal. However, I don't know if that's normal, because, so far as I can tell, he's never played as town on DART. I do know that he is good at looking town when he's scum, so it's hard to get a good read on him. I just don't like his play.
- I did not support the oro lynch. Were he alive today and no NK occurred, I would VTL him; until then he was effectively confirmed town. Moreover he's a smart and active player. Not someone we should ever be in a rush to be rid of.
- I put thought into each of my posts. If it feels unnatural, so be it. And yes, I have not played as town before.
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@Speedrace
The case in question of someone calling my posts manufactured, was them gaslighting me, via using my own word to describe their denial of having written the post of theirs I both quoted and linked.1. RagnarNull, weird for him though because someone else used the word "manufactured" when talking about his posts, which was EXACTLY the word that popped in my head"
Said post was weird, my mind jumped to Single and Grey maybe being a scum team (immediately remembered the masons, so that hypothesis is shot).
3. SingularityNull, I really can't tell
She's scum or insane. Either way, town is better off without her.
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@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
@WaterPhoenix
@SirAnonymous
If uncomfortable committing to a lynch, each of you please vote for yourselves. If you delay much more and have anything unexpected happen in RL, you'll get modkilled.
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TOWN ALIAS ROLE
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Vote Count (unofficial)
Ragnar - 1/5 - Singularity
Singularity - 3/5 - Grey, Ragnar, Supa
Supa - 1/5 - Zaradi
Note Voting: SirAnon, Speedrace, Water, ILikePie
About 16 hours remaining.
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@Zaradi
I know I’ve seen him use sarcasm before in the same way (responding to Lunatic I think). Sadly with this being a forum, we can’t assume tone of voice... Has he ever rage quit as scum?
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@Singularity
We should assume supa, ... VTL RAGNARHer reason to VTL me seems to be that she thinks Supa is scum. This was at a time when Supa and myself had an equal number of votes.I don't believe that ever happened.
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TOWN ALIAS ROLE
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(no meaningful order within middle section)
Vote Count (unofficial)
Ragnar - 1/5 - Singularity
Singularity - 3/5 - Grey, Supa, Ragnar
Not Voting: SirAnon, Zaradi, Speedrace, Water, ILikePie
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@drafterman
@Singularity
We should assume supa, go and water are in the town pile for now. I am need to reread dp1 but I am willing to vote anybody not in my town pile soVTL RAGNAR
Skimming a bit through those weird distractions, I found this on topic post quite odd: Her reason to VTL me seems to be that she thinks Supa is scum. This was at a time when Supa and myself had an equal number of votes.
VTL Singularity
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Take it back.
Why?
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@disgusted
You won't do anything
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@everyone,
Small suggestion: Please tag the host (Drafterman) in posts when you vote.
I suggest this for much the same reason we bold such actions; it makes things easier for him, and decreases the risk of miscounts.
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@Vader
By saying aim for mafia, it was for recruitment as that would positively I.D. one when they did not join the mason chat (or confirm someone as town to the masons).I don't get how Water can be a Vig and a Mason
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@WaterPhoenix
I did not think about limited use (or odd night) powers. Regarding if Supa is only alive due to being protected, then he would be lying about his role claim. Granted, it could be both. By chance did Grey use a previous protective role to protect him last night?
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TOWN ALIAS ROLE
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1. Ragnar Warren VANILLA
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@WaterPhoenix
Water,
- I was reading up on Masons and learned they destroy power roles. I'm Warren, a vanilla. As such I would be a good candidate.
- If you and Grey are scum, of course you'll just kill whomever you say you're recruiting; but that can't last more than a night or two.
- If you're town, either way you're probably dead tonight... So tell Grey whomever you are going to try to recruit, and aim for mafia (with luck identify one of them, otherwise at least Grey will know who to keep lynches away from tomorrow).
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How many scum do we suppose there are? I'm guessing just a pair, because of Oro being a turncoat (if they had the ability to get up to 4 of them in a 10 player game, it would be overpowering).
Anyway, waiting for contradictions and confirmations...
- If anyone is the vig, a shot to Supa tonight would confirm his role.
- If anyone is a blocker, please repeat whomever you blocked last night (another possibility for no night kill); or tell us who as that would be a good lynch target today.
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@disgusted
Now show everyone where I have made a personal attack.Explain how calling someone a troll is not a personal attack.You were ignorantly incorrect in post 27 so in order that you don't admit that and in a pathetic attempt at saving face you resort to lying about me, run away.
1. See quoted text in message #27.
2. I have not called you a troll. You imagining persecution because you're not being persecuted enough, is however fascinating.
3. You have failed to show any inaccuracies in #27. You used personal attacks with ambiguous naming of the person you were attacking.
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@Zaradi
If Water and Grey are masons, I imagine the mafia response to one being lynched would be to NK the other to end their recruitment.
Admittedly I have not played in games with Masons before, and the description doesn't mention it; I am however guessing it's only the first whom can recruit, because otherwise there would be an exponential growth problem.
Granted Grey feels incredibly scummy for claiming to be mason, intentionally outing Water, and believing we should lynch anyone who suggests using masons for town's advantage.
Useful link:
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@SirAnonymous
Good point. Still, even if he’s gone tomorrow, whomever he recruits tonight will give us an edge.
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@Greyparrot
He recruited you, so I stated an easy strategy. I don’t see how that’s asking what other powers he has, when we’re each only assigned one role AFAIK.
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Looks like we’re off to a good start. If we have a protective role, we just need to keep Water alive while he recruits us.
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@disgusted
You have the right to do as you wish, and as an adult take the consequences. This is your final warning: Any more violations to the personal attacks section of the CoC (be it toward EtrnlVw, ethang5, or anyone else), will result in the moderation team directly assisting you with your inability to obey the CoC you agreed to when you signed up for this site.
Before making any more posts, read the following:
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@disgusted
Pay attention, I never refer to thang as ET, ET is eternal whatsisname.
Let me give you an example. Say RationalMadman and myself had an RO, and I wanted to engage in a thread he is active in, so I start randomly insulting Ramshutu; but for some unfathomable reason I don't simply tag Ramshutu; but refer to him as "R." Then when a mod steps in I claim I was intentionally violating the CoC toward Ramshutu instead of RationalMadman... That in no way excuses the behavior.
Again, "Should this continue, we of the moderation team will be forced to more directly assist you in obeying the CoC."
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Heading out on a date, so I’ll probably be idle the rest of the night.
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@Speedrace
I don't know how often they show up. However, with nothing happening, might as well.
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@disgusted
Et excels his nonsense beyond any possible credibility.He is so funny in his delusions.
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As a reminder, RO's are not given lightly. You and Ethang (the most likely "Et" you were referring to) have one until about the end of the month. Please do not reply to him, or otherwise attempt to bait him into replying to you. Should this continue, we of the moderation team will be forced to more directly assist you in obeying the CoC.
-Ragnar, DM
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Today I will move this to the main forum, to expand the audience. And yes, when the real thread is ready, politics and any other forums with a lot of controversy will likely be getting one (maybe with a different user quote for the words of wisdom).
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@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@SirAnonymous
Pink has been replaced. You are currently voting to lynch our new arrival.
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@Vader
Zaradi said hello, but not with a role and alignment assigned.
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@Vader
lets not wait to lynch oro right now
Two things:
- I don't agree with the philosophy of killing town confirmed people before we must.
- It would be polite to wait for replacements to check in (not to mention, it gives us initial reads on them).
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@Greyparrot
@Zaradi
There's been some speculation as to what characters might have what roles. Here's the currently revealed information, it's not much:
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TOWN ALIAS ROLE
The order to the middle section is just when people first posted. I copied it from my list of that; it doesn't imply scum or town leanings. Oro I am reading as town, so he goes up above the first divider (more dividers can be added if needed).
Vote Count (unofficial)
Pink - 3/6 - Pie, Sir, oro
oro - 3/6 - Speed, Supa, Singularity
VNTL - 1/6 - Ragnar
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@drafterman
I was going to vote for Pink, but with a replacement inbound (and another inbound for Press)...
VNTL
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@Speedrace
@Singularity
Directly competing philosophies, each with trade-offs.
I would hate for us to stay silent for days in fear of revealing anything. Even if it would technically be an optimal strategy, it sounds boring.
I would hate for us to stay silent for days in fear of revealing anything. Even if it would technically be an optimal strategy, it sounds boring.
On the other hand, mafia would gain more than town from knowing everyone's roles, so at least right now keeping our cards close to our chests seems best. ... I do not extend this to the inactives.
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