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Various parts of the bible have been used both in favor of, and against, the institution of slavery.
If you want an in depth view from either perspective, just start a debate on it, and someone well researched will fill you in.
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Speed makes a very good point that the lynching power needs to be tested...
Unvote,
VTL Speed
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@Zaradi
We've still got a whole day left to mislynch you! 🤣
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Unofficial Vote Count:
iLikePie5- 5/6- Drafterman, DD, zaradi, ragnar, GP
Greyparrot- 2/6- iLikePie5,speed
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@Bullish
If I'm vig I kill every night unless there's an exceptional reason not to. This is because I firmly believe in using every town directed kill available.
If you've studied the math behind the Monty Hall problem, then it makes perfect sense. Mafia lead night kills have a 100% chance of being directed at town. Lynching often has mislynches (not going to formulate it right now). A vig by targeting any random player, has a slightly better than random chance.
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@drafterman
As scum, I pride myself on being town confirmed multiple times.
Of course, I also even in scum chat refer to how obviously scum certain town aligned players end up being. I honestly had a hard time believing it in one case, even while I sat in the scum chat murdering people.
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You are TheAntidoter’s role from Bsh1’s Star Trek Mafia. Your role: “Anti - You are BAJORAN. Bajor has been fighting a war against Cardassia for years; this war has occasionally spilled out into Federation space, leading to the Federation viewing some of you as a terrorist element. Because of your tension with the Federation, you are the MILLER. You will appear to be with the mafia to any investigative roles. You win with the town..”
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I’ll be subbing in for SirAnon.
I’m still very busy, so don’t expect fast responses from me, and I will likely be asking for gists if any lengthy stuff (one for this game so far would be nice).
I’m some annoying character from Star Trek named Anti, due to being labeled a terrorist by the federation, I’m the Miller.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Be careful when modifying the content of any quotation.
If changing anything, but [brackets] around it. Such as if you believe "You can always go back to the nothingness you believe you come from," can be paraphrased "Just kill yourself," make it "[Just kill yourself.]" This makes the changes transparent, minimizing any accusations of lies.
I used this technique very well for comedic effect when in a debate about pie:
"[pie] isn't as popular as cake"
Yet for reasons explored last round (flour), a ban on pies would be even more detrimental to cake availability than pie itself. It takes a relatively small amount of flour to make a pie, but a large amount to make a cake.
Also (incoming fallacy) the same line of reasoning, was used by Hitler. One group at a time they removed the less popular ones, trying to leave only the most popular one. It is like that quote from death camp survivor Martin NiemöllerHow long until the the only tolerated foodstuff is flourless Angel Food cake?
Then they came for the [Pizza], and I did not speak out—
Because I [did] not [like pizza-pie either].Then they came for the [Black Forest cake], and I did not speak out—
Because I [did] not [like the pie-like fruit filling between layers].Then they came for [my chocolate birthday cake with sprinkles]—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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@ILikePie5
Seriously been going through too much drama IRL to play mafia right now. I would have backed out of this last game, but it started much faster than anticipated.
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Please never so many posts in a single day again...
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Since I’ll be NKed tonight, I might as well say it: please do not confuse my insanely busy play with my town play.
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Technically things could be being redirected by mafia, but we can’t account for every possibility.
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@SirAnonymous
Got it. You or drafter are confirmed scum.
if both scum, congrats on a well played logic trick.
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@SirAnonymous
Why does Drafter have to be lying about roleblocking you? You have a passive daytime ability.
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Rather than hold everything up, I’ll just put my cards on the table...
Scarlet Witch, a doctor because she can’t save everyone.
NP1 I protected Bullish on the off chance he wasn’t lying. If BG, protecting him would assure he survived no matter which of the three likely targets mafia went for.
DP2, his protection of Supa failing, caused me to believe he was lying. I did not consider a strongman might be in play (odd night I hope, otherwise protectors are basically vanilla).
NP2 I protected DiDi, again from my scum pile, but if not scum the most likely target. Maybe my protection worked, maybe Mafia knowing a doctor was in play skipped the kill to trick us, or maybe Drafter blocked the NK... I don’t know.
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@Lunatic
I need to get caught up on the reading ; but I am busy with comic con today.
BTW, thanks for still playing a good game even when your win condition got removed by Water.
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@Lunatic
My vote goes where drafters goes
Hard to go wrong with that standard.
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@warren42
I soft claimed team cap yesterday. Look through the posts in my profile, any of the ones containing the dashboard have a direct link to each claim.
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I’m very busy with RL right now.
I’m convinced on Bullish for what I said today, what I said yesterday, reviewing the mechanics.
Didi trying to cover for Bullish and push blame around today (to include massively misrepresentation of what people say), is why they’re my next scum pick. A single vote floating on a fellow townie potential scum isn’t dangerous, a scum seeing a vote floating on a fellow scum is, and just look at Didi’s reaction.
and typing on the phone, forgot to bold earlier...
VTL Bullish
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@SirAnonymous
Bullish claimed to be protecting Supa last night, but Supa still died and Bullish did not.
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Pretty sure it’s Didi and Bullish. Technically we can test the lunch proof claim, but any mislynch and it’s game over.
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@Mopac
Discontinue the use of veiled threats in your words, as exemplified with:
Rest assured, you will die.
You chose to make a particular other user the target of that statement, tying it to them not doing what you want. This removes the 'well everyone dies,' defense. Had one of the 9/11 hijackers made such a statement before the plane took off, I would hope they would have been removed rather than allowed to continue (probably for some justification along the lines of they were only doing what their interpretation of their religion mandated).
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I successfully used the story of Job in a debate, to support the premise that Jesus and God are not the same:
2. How many times does Jesus set innocent people on fire over nothing related to any of their actions? God did this (Job 1:16).
https://www.debateart.com/debates/950/the-bible-teaches-that-jesus-christ-is-god
Of course, I disagree with my own interpretation of it there, as much as I would repeat that.
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Locked by request of OP.
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@Bullish
What is the justification for why Falcon would be a bodyguard?
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@drafterman
Damn that's some good work!
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@Greyparrot
If you're actually convinced Bullish, Oro, and I are scum, you should be trying to kill us; even if it's with help from us. If the first to die is scum, that is more weight toward you being right about the second, and then the third. Your amazing brain would win the game in short order.
As for both Bullish and I following Drafter's lead... I can't speak for Bullish but for me Drafter's top pick was SirAnon, and he was settling for a lynch that could happen by voting pie. Which of course means that your logic now requires a minimum of four in the scum-team (or five if you believe Drafter was in turn sheeping pie), in a game which specifically has only three.
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@Greyparrot
You're convinced I'm scum, without reason: Specifically refusing to give any reason when asked to elaborate... You now have have me not holding up a lynch of someone in my scum pile, as evidence after the fact.
Bullish is also my in scum pile. Get any momentum going, and I'll hop on that train.
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TOWN ROLE CLAIM
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drafterman . .
warren42 . .
oromagi . .
WaterPhoenix . .
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So back from a trip... Still a lot I have to get caught up on, but advancing this project would feel nice. So anyone have any suggestions?
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
Looking back over things, I don't see enough reason for Pie to have outed himself at the time he did. Being suspect for the GP wagon. Plus Supa makes some good points... Of course, maybe Supa is really scum trying to keep a mislynch away from Bullish (another very likely scum); but such seems to have lower odds.
Unvote,
VTL Pie
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@drafterman
@Vader
@warren42
@oromagi
Why are you VTLing pie?
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@Greyparrot
@Discipulus_Didicit
@SirAnonymous
@Singularity
Why are you VTLing Bullish?
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Okay, caught up!
- I really dislike Bullish in #61. Too eager to kill GP; as DiDi expanded upon in #181. Bullish again seems eager to kill in #225, this time SirAnon (unlikely to succeed ... something about them feels fishy. Bonus thought, SirAnon might be town but someone unexpected, giving him insider knowledge that there was not a clear theme split for the teams). #724 has analysis of him acting suspicious again. The bastard move in #775 is quite annoying.
- I dislike Singularity pushing the GP lynch, exemplified well in #203.
- Oro in #325 VTLing to pressure me, but not tagging me in said pressuring... Probably just a lazy mistake, which I'm over thinking.
- I've read over the early stuff multiple times, and still have no clue why Singularity and Supa outed themselves.
- #213 we can't have >2 mislynches.
- With #348 apparently GP is Yakuza, but oro's list... God damnit, the bold text in this post was all that kept me reading after certain earlier stuff that page; but I guess I have to continue if this game is to make any sense. Immediate thought: if Lunatic is lying, it gets revealed in the graveyard if GP is successfully killed, so Lunatic is town.On the other hand, with #385, they could have been hamming it up knowing the day would not actually end. ... What is with #348 GP not disagreeing with the role he was claimed to have? Eh, whatever...
- Not liking Pie saying he "full claimed" when he only hinted. The role stuff doesn't sound like Speed, but eventually Speed came forward...
Modifying this dash from Oro, switching the alias links to the post in which they claimed (I find that way more useful).
TOWN ROLE ALIAS
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drafterman . .
warren42 . .
oromagi . .
WaterPhoenix . .
Discipulus_Didicit Uncommon .
Key Speculations:
- No theme split (official)
- No quick hammers (official)
- No other wincons (official)
- Pie has a poor role justification (official)
- No vig (well reasoned)
- Possible bastard game
- GP is probably town
- Scum tried to VTL GP (vote count)
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@warren42
Gambler's fallacy... gr...
Gambler's fallacy was used to VTL me in post #3, so of course I had to comment on it.
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Okay, getting caught up properly...
- I really dislike Bullish in #61. Very eager to kill. As DiDi expanded upon in #181.
- I will continue reading from #201 forward at a later time...
Modifying this dash from Oro, switching the alias links to the post in which they claimed (I find that way more useful).
TOWN ROLE ALIAS
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oromagi . .
WaterPhoenix . .
drafterman . .
Discipulus_Didicit Uncommon .
SirAnonymous . .
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SCUM ROLE ALIAS
Key Speculations:
- No theme split (official)
- No vig (well reasoned)
- Possible bastard game
- Scum tied to VTL GP
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@Singularity
I just double checked the opening post, and see no mention of that.
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@warren42
Different patterns there could be. The previous game I mentioned was role madness, so there wasn’t a clear divide (Barton, Strange, and Fury were scum). In it Iron Man could make lie detectors, but his gadgets only came into play on the second day (hence why I’m not VTLing oromagi for his odd reply to my suggestion of people voicing they win with town).
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