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@Greyparrot
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@ILikePie5
Yesterday #93
Christianity's compatability with radical life extension. I neighborize/reconcile ideologies which are often believed to contradict.
While some Christians are opposed to extending life for taking power away from God (Wylted doesn’t say it, but that’s a literal impossibility if the three A’s are true), others recognize that a longer life gives someone more time to find God.
He concludes that Christianity should embrace radical life extension to save countless souls, and further that a longer life making someone more likely to become Christian makes people thus more likely to have a net positive impact on the world.
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@Lunatic
For NP1 were you informed your action failed or that you were roleblocked?
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@Mharman
If anyone here is still hiding something about their role, come clean now. I may have caught you.
I'm straight forward with my role and my actions. I don't know why it keeps failing (usually it's a role blocker, but there are other things which can cause an actin to fail). I don't think it's a side effect of Lunatic also targeting Pie, since their target thereof failed NP1; I suspect it's a limit on Lunatic not being able to join a neighborhood. But that doesn't explain why it failed when targeting Savant NP3.
In addendum, I have a question for everyone. What would you have predicted scum’s night actions would be, heading into NP3?
We don't know who they role copped, nor what remaining powers they have. But were I in their shoes, I most likely would have had the doctor target the most scum read from their team (thereby protecting them from a lynch), and kill Pie (he'd leading town right now). Since they didn't do that, your previous question is all the more important for us to know what could have gone wrong when one of us was controlled (I mean maybe they'd chance delaying that power; if so I believe it'd be held on to for the use I just outlined).
They have either two or three powers we don't know of (I mean, a goon or two is likely, but we can't bet the farm on that).
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Character Role DAY1 DAY2 DAY3
Austin people try to gain status and money... Legendary N/A NP2 (activated power) N/A <<< Is town.
Pie Hylics pneumatics and psychics Spiritualist(talks to Casey) Had role PM Chatroom Chatroom <<< I strongly believe they are town, even with a role that overlaps with mine (so if I die, know that I am specifically disagreeing with the the obvious theory scum would bring up)
Whiteflame Victim Complex Absorber (steals powers used to reuse the next night) N/A N/A N/A <<< I am not 100%, but I may have talked to Wylted about people weaponizing victimhood before; so thematically it makes sense. Mechanically, with him having been hit by nothing (unless there's an update I overlooked), I find it slightly sus.
Lunatic The 120 year life cap Apportioner [sic] (weak doctor) Pie(blocked) Pie Pie <<< Excellent use of this tactic from Black Adder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblfKREj50o
Savant Israel's suspicious activity during 9-11 Crisis Actor NP1 Faked Death NP2 left hiding N/A <<< It would be a bastard mod move to let scum fake their death, so I flipped a coin between him and Austin for whom to target last night.
Barney Christianity's views on life extension Neighborizer Action failed (Pie) Action failed (Pie) Action failed (Savant) <<< Did use the word "cool" in a sentence, which only scum ever do (DP3 #88).
Greyparrot carcinization Crab God (Moves side to side) / Bio-Engineer Role stolen by Bio Engineer. N/A N/A <<< Honestly, I think he's pretending to eat paint chips avoid being NKed. But it could be a WIFOM tactic of acting like he's just pretending 🤣 ... That said, there were some suspect interactions between him and JoeBob (like him thinking JoeBob is town even after Banana's death).
Mharman Non religious actually missed it, but it gets data on two people ??? Barney/Lunatic ??? ??? <<<Seems to confirm that someone RBed me, but I am not sure Lunatic directly connects to that as opposed to just a misleading sentence structure from Wylted while moving on to give whatever hints about Lunatic. ... Which posts had the other results?
🪦🪦🪦 Character Role DAY1 DAY2 DAY3
Earth Can't live without doing evil Removed Lynched DP1 (guilty).
Casey activism is easy activist (restarts DP) Town Killed NP1 <<< In active communication with Pie
Vader are incels right Blackpilled (vig) Savant(success) Suicide Bombed by Banana DP2
Joebob Frozen Jesus Rolecop/role hijack coped(???) coped(???) Lynched / hijacked(???)
I'm sure I'm missing a bit, but I have to help a friend with some BS legal drama (I'm not spending my whole life on it anymore, but it's not quite over yet).
Since scum had a rolecop, I really feel it'd be best if we all engage in full transparency.
Oh I did mention the whole brackets thing to Wylted, and he informed me that he accounted for the likelihood of people looking into that in the setup. Anyone can easily ask him the same thing for confirmation.
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Ok caught up. I'll update the dashboard shortly... And I must say, that I have no clue how people hold all that in their heads without an aid.
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@ILikePie5
As if for a mediawiki page with double brackets for local links (note that I am specially replacing words to hopefully not be mod killed), a certain number of routes to immortality, the myth of how many years someone can live according to the bible (this was 5 words, again, need to change things to not be mod killed), some dead Jewish carpenter (and maybe not a good one at that) being frozen in ones heart, the pursuit of doing less bad than good.Okay so I’m going guess. Confirm this for me1) ???2) The 120 year life cap3) Jesus frozen in heart4) ???
[[4 paths to immortality]]
[[Bible's 120 year cap myth]]
[[Jesus frozen in heart]]
[[More good than bad]]
and
#radicallifeexetension
#Christianity
#prodeath
#bible
#Noah
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@ILikePie5
Reading everything now (had a busy morning and afternoon).
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@ILikePie5
What did you do last night?
Neighborize Savant, but it the action failed.
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@fauxlaw
I once proposed the site allow users to press a number counter to attain something like Awesome Points, to mitigate the focus on ELO. I wholly agree this is stupid, and yet I am not convinced I'm wrong.
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Bit of insomnia tonight.
Votecount(1/5) Joebob- lunatic,
With how long that vote has sat there, it's seeming even more likely that Joebob is scum.
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@ILikePie5
Waiting on you for what was in brackets
Two things,
1. See post #99 for a summary.
2. I'm not comfortable copy/pasting anything from PMs or getting deeper into them, as there is an explicit rule against it:
3. no PM analysis which includes but is not limited to time stamps or pm structure etc. win conditions and structure of the PMs vary so the wrong kind of PM analysis is unlikely to happen but keep the game fair.
Additionally, I'm really not trying to be difficult, but I also highly doubt whatever the theme is centers on who has more brackets than hashtags or some such.
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@whiteflame
We can officially confirm WF is scum:
Apologies for not being very active this DP. Gave blood earlier for the first time in a while and I just haven't had much energy to post since.
He doesn't GIVE blood, he TAKES it!
🤣🤣🤣
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@Savant
Barney was last online 6 minutes ago.
Poor reasoning here. You're assuming I don't have multiple things going on.
Specifically right now I'm working on making a better Kritiks page for the DAT site. That I have browsers open, and I am periodically checking this site, doesn't mean I'm available for anything quick (which doesn't indicate anything at all, as scum I'd have the same thing going on, and not be there for quick lynch).
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@Savant
I've actually seen that used for good effect. Can't remember that game, but someone set a vote on someone they viewed as scum, as proof they were scum in scum not joining for a quick victory (of course this was in place for MUCH longer).
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@ILikePie5
As if for a mediawiki page with double brackets for local links (note that I am specially replacing words to hopefully not be mod killed), a certain number of routes to immortality, the myth of how many years someone can live according to the bible (this was 5 words, again, need to change things to not be mod killed), some dead Jewish carpenter (and maybe not a good one at that) being frozen in ones heart, the pursuit of doing less bad than good.
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@ILikePie5
Okay so just to clarify, your character is “Christianity’s compatibility with radical life extension.” And then your role is Neighborizer.What is your justification?
Correct.
My justification is the reconciliation of conflicting ideologies.
His diary goes into that Christians should desire people to live as long as possible to have greater opportunity to find Jesus Christ, and some do agree, but others are against it for taking power away from God (with a specific reference to a 120 year life cap; but he does call this a myth, likely since tons of people in the bible such as Noah exceeded this by hundreds of years). He also mentions Jesus being frozen in some peoples hearts, along with the idea of doing more good than bad.
I don't want to start copy/pasting, but some phrases are written as if to be links to other entries. This may go towards what the actual theme of this game is.
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@Lunatic
Cool role! Yeah, that does align with you not pushing back on so many killing roles.
Also you are less powerful than a normal doctor, in that if you target someone you only keep them alive an extra day.
I find our justifications a bit similar, but I think we already covered that Wylted can think about Israel multiple times, so radical life extension and life cap could both be selected as well.
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@AustinL0926
I'd like to alter, and/or challenge, and/or negotiate with your legendary status. 🤣
But more to the point, please verify what it means (pretty sure it'd mod confirmation that you're town, but in case I'm wrong). Also are there any other powers?
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@Mharman
More of a counter to Bananas. I asked him to explain this yesterday , but 🦗🦗🦗
Had Vader not died, I'd be making the same push, for much the same reason.
And yeah, if you're scum and Joebob isn't, I will commend you and blame the mod (this large of a game, so such blame wouldn't be too serious, but it's always easier to blame someone else than admit I got played).
Adding to the liklihood... I hate to include this in any analysis, but it took forever for this day to start. This strongly implies that an inactive player has an unclaimed power role (such as being on the scum team).
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Lean Town Character Role DAY1 DAY2
Austin ??? Confirmable (LITERALLY) N/A NP2 (activated power)
Pie ??? Had Casey’s full role PM ??? ???
Whiteflame ??? ??? ??? ???
Lunatic ??? ??? ??? ???
Savant Israel's suspicious activity during 9-11 Crisis Actor NP1 Faked Death NP2 left hiding <<< while unlikely scum, it is not confirmed either.
Lean Scum Character Role NP1 DAY2 Notes
Greyparrot carcinization Crab God (Moves side to side) / Bio-Engineer Role stolen by Bio Engineer. N/A <<< Deflecting and misrepresenting really basic questions with Ad Hominem attacks (trust me, if I were scum I would have pushed to make him the NK as a policy of killing jerks).
Mharman Non religious ??? ??? ??? <<< behavior at end of DP2 suspect.
Joebob Frozen Jesus Vital Coward (NK deflect) N/A N/A <<< Claim way too similar to Banana's
🪦🪦🪦 Character Role DAY1 DAY2
Earth Can't live without doing evil Removed Lynched DP1 (guilty).
Casey activism is easy activist (restarts DP) Town Killed NP1
Vader are incels right Blackpilled (vig) Savant(success) Suicide Bombed by Banana DP2
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@JoeBob
A shame about Vader dying, but with both Banana and Vader having had killing roles, and you having less powerful version of Banana's... Why should we still believe you're town?
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I believe we should lynch JoeBob, but we need to be very careful on any votes in case Savant is correct that there are 4 scum remaining.
My next top scumread is Mharman, due to his behavior at the end of last DP.
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I was role blocked again, that or Pie has some immunity to night actions. I targeted him because I strongly town read him. And yes, I targeted him both nights.
I'm a neighborizer (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer), due to being Christianity's compatibility with radical life extension (I'll note that Wylted had a minor typo calling it "compatability").
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@WyIted
I think the world would be better off without that word.
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@WyIted
I think I'll end up doing that when it's just a little bit further along (honestly, probably once I finish a couple controversial pages which may stir interest in it... Hopefully from adults who engage in debate, instead of adult sized children who engage in vandalism).
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@Lemming
I think it's already a bit more than that, but that is certainly a significant part of it. There's also unpredictable ways it is starting to branch, like making an argument page for a conspiracy, I remembered a test I've applied to idiot statements and wrote a page on that: https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Reptilian_Heuristic
I am hoping to walk the tightrope of valid academics which one could cite, but without a stick up the butt attitude that said information must always be presented in a dull manner... Well, at least getting it started with that perspective, who knows what the userbase will want in a few years.
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@JoeBob
What are your thoughts on the similarities of your role to that of Banana (and to a much lesser extent Vader)?
You die, and a random townie dies. Banana does, and they pick someone to die.
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Graveyard: Character Role Affiliation 🪦 RIP 🪦
Earth Can't live without doing evil Removed Evil cookie giVER Lynched DP1 (guilty). <<<Likely janitored by their faction, they could even be regular scum. Part of why I say this is the formatting of the affiliation, which seems less likely from a mod (who'd copy/paste) and more likely from someone mistyping (wholly possible for a mod to do, but just a little less likely). Also looking at the purgatory, it seems like evil cookie givers are a role.
Savant Israel's suspicious activity during 9-11 ??? ??? Killed NP1 <<<Before reading Vader's post, I wondered if we had a role/faction thief, since two janitors would be odd.
Casey activism is easy activist (restarts DP) Town Killed NP1
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Lean Town Character Role NP1 Notes
Pie ??? Had Casey’s full role PM ??? <<< Voice of reason, or scum? 🤣 While doubtful, if GP and I flip town, there's a (slim) chance #196 was a scum slip. Actually, I don't know what to think of him being a voice of reason, but I'll welcome it.
Vader are incels right Blackpilled (vig) Savant(success) <<< Savant was the first person to vote for him, so I'm (mildly) wondering if that's a mechanic he didn't mention.
Middle Character Role NP1 Notes
Whiteflame ??? ??? ??? <<< Normal whiteflame. Good player, good reads, not known for behavioral slips. Until we know anything about his role there's not much to weigh on.
Mharman Non religious ??? ??? <<< #89 seems town aligned, unless Banana flips scum (minor note from DP1). While far from enough to lean scum, a tiny note of caution is they're later encouraging us to take time, but in #197 wants us to not explore other options (probably just not wanting us to forget a huge glaring issue, but just in case it's worth having a note on for later reflections).
Austin ??? Confirmable ??? <<< Nothing memorable (sorry).
Barney Religious ??? Action failed (rbed?) <<< Mildly wondering if we have a noob scum team who mistook my camera toilet joke for a claim to be an watcher.
Lunatic ??? ??? ??? <<< Not standing out to me. Maybe less active than normal?
Owen REDACTED REDACTED DO NOT TRACK PER MOD ORDER <<< We're lucky they weren't mod killed. We can't ignore knowing they're third party, but since we have scum leads I say don't lynch them (also they might be useful for scum hunting as a non-biased third party, if you'll pardon the lazy pun).
Lean Scum Character Role NP1 Notes
Greyparrot carcinization Crab God (Moves side to side) / Bio-Engineer Role stolen by Bio Engineer. <<< Refuses to answer basic questions and launches random Ad Hominem attacks in retaliation, such as anyone who is capable of reading #69 is a "bitch/scum/idiot" who stole his Crab God roll and must die. The crab god moving side to side is sounding like they shield behind someone else, but if so they would have been behind someone instead of being hit by the Bio-Engineer. I'm not liking the consistency at all.
Joebob Frozen Jesus Vital Coward (NK deflect) N/A <<< Not liking that said deflection goes to a townie instead of just anyone at random, could easily be scum trying to avoid being targeted by a vig). Also this is so goddamned similar to Banana's claim!
Banana Hamas vs. Israel "Town Insurgent"1x (#87), upon death? (#96) <<< CCing Vader after Vader put pressure on them, seems a little sketch. Also the whole visit thing is odd, seems like [REDACTED]. They did of course claim their role is useless if outed, but their role literally gets powered by them dying so they're someone who should want to jump on the bonfire.
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I forgot about Banana’s claim I their role would be useless (or highly mitigated) if outed.
I was already going to do this, but that really seals it.
VTL Banana
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@WyIted
My bosses still dead name me though
Sorry to hear that.
Committing the Starving People In Africa fallacy, I’ll point out that it could be worse… Our president is trans but gets dead named by the entire country, she clearly came out identifying as “Taylor Swift.” But jerks still call her Donald Trump, and also President instead of King.
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@Vader
The odds of hitting scum are still relatively low from what I am seeing
Your choice to use your power or to not.
That said it’s a bit of a Monty Hall problem. Your shot has better odds than our lynch.
The one problem is if scum have a redirect power (we know they have a RB, but that could have been a one off from a goat). Otherwise I’d suggest we VNTL, then let you take over killing scum.
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@iamanabanana
it’s a fairly common way to operate. He’s just not tossing in filler sentences about assuming you’re telling that much of the truth.
He can make plans around both possibilities.
He can make plans around both possibilities.
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I'm in favor of activating Vader's powers (him doing nothing tonight would prove less than if he does something), so let's get a couple people on his wagon. Afterward we can all unvote.
VTL Vader
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@Owen_T
I’m highly in favor of keeping Owen alive. Killing third party yesterday was in part because we didn’t have any leads.
And if course if visited I will accept.
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My memory of Wylted discussing incels seems to be mistaken. Looks like it was RM: https://www.debateart.com/debates/4759-blackred-pill-vs-blue-pill
I remember the conversation being longer, but not worth continuing to dig as it was a false lead.
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@ILikePie5
I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm over the fact that he doesn’t know what his role does
Could be, but you get why I'd have much preferred if it he said that rather than declare that anyone who questions him on it is a bitch/scum/idiot? Such hyperbolic hostility makes me read him as someone trying to hide behind ad hominem attacks, rather than answering really easy to answer questions.
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@ILikePie5
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@ILikePie5
The only way you'd know that, is if you're SCUM!
/Obviously a joke.
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@ILikePie5
Have you given your thoughts on Banana vs Supa yet?
That's taken a bit of a backseat to both Banana and Greyparrot suggesting that their role kills if they're hammered, then changing their minds.
Greyparrots answer seems to be that anyone who questions him on it is a bitch and committing OMGUS to push for said answer.
Still awaiting Banana's answer (in fairness, I initially tagged the wrong Banana).
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I find Banana's killing role to not be much of a counterclaim to a vig.
I also find two characters being about Israel to be odd, even more without any commentary from them on it (Banana and Savant), which means their CC is backed by less credibility than normal CCs are.
If lynching either Vader or Banana, I'd go with Banana. I also don't see much point in not powering Vader up (better to test that his role indeed retains the killing power as claimed, than to test if he fails to make a kill when not empowered).
I haven't yet gone digging for Wylted's previous statements on Incels, but I'll get that knocked out tonight.
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@Greyparrot
That explanation makes sense. However, it doesn't reduce tracking information on a dashboard to equal someone being a bitch; nor does it explain what the crab God mechanics actually were. You're reflecting with insults rather than answering a really basic question; that combined with an inconsistent story on what powers your role has/had, have me worried.
VTL Greyparrot
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Player Character Role NP1 Notes
Pie ??? Had Casey’s full role PM ??? <<<
Vader are incels right Blackpilled (vig) Savant(success) <<<Savant was the first person to vote for him, so I'm wondering if that's a mechanic he didn't mention. I still need to track down Wylted's previous statements on incels to ensure they align with Vader's description of them. Also, I dislike how he made his post so damned fast (a mistake I've done as scum is pre-writing posts like that in scum chat).
Whiteflame ??? ??? ??? <<<
Joebob Frozen Jesus Vital Coward (NK deflect) N/A <<< Not liking that said deflection goes to a townie instead of just anyone at random, could easily be scum trying to avoid being targeted by a vig).
Austin ??? Confirmable ??? <<<
Barney Religious ??? Action failed (rbed?) <<< Mildly wondering if we have a noob scum team who mistook my camera toilet joke for a claim to be an watcher.
Lunatic ??? ??? ??? <<<
Greyparrot carcinization Crab God (Moves side to side) / Bio-Engineer Role stolen by Bio Engineer , and visited a random player who was informed (#85)? <<< Previously suggested their role had a bomb effect, mention of this is gone. The crab god moving side to side is sounding like they shield behind someone else, but if so they would have been behind someone instead of being hit by the Bio-Engineer. Not liking the consistency at all.
Banana Hamas vs. Israel "Town Insurgent"1x (#87), upon death? (#96) Was visited (#49), and rejected them (#59) <<< CCing Vader after Vader put pressure on them, seems a little sketch. Also the whole visit thing is odd, seems like a cookie giver (maybe a good one, maybe a bad?) per the purgatory thread.
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Earth Can't live without doing evil Removed Evil cookie giVER Lynched DP1 (guilty). <<<Likely janitored by their faction, they could even be regular scum. Part of why I say this is the formatting of the affiliation, which seems less likely from a mod (who'd copy/paste) and more likely from someone mistyping (wholly possible for a mod to do, but just a little less likely). Also looking at the purgatory, it seems like evil cookie givers are a role.
Savant Israel's suspicious activity during 9-11 ??? ??? Killed NP1 <<<Before reading Vader's post, I wondered if we had a role/faction thief, since two janitors would be odd.
Casey activism is easy activist (restarts DP) Town Killed NP1
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@Greyparrot
The mod gave me some vague description of the crab god, in that my role was passive, I could move side to side, but nobody leaves he bucket.
More details please. What does moving side to side mean? Like dodging night actions, or switching factions?
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@Greyparrot
@annabanana20
Why have you two not CCed each other? You've both implied killing whomever hammers you.
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Player Character Role NP1 Notes
Pie ??? Had Casey’s full role PM ??? <<<
Vader are incels right Blackpilled (vig) Savant(success) <<<Savant was the first person to vote for him, so I'm wondering if that's a mechanic he didn't mention. I still need to track down Wylted's previous statements on incels to ensure they align with Vader's description of them. Also, I dislike how he made his post so damned fast (a mistake I've done as scum is pre-writing posts like that in scum chat).
Whiteflame ??? ??? ??? <<<
Joebob ??? ??? ??? <<< Bad gut feeling, but could be the lack of posts. Maybe time to call a replacement?
Austin ??? Confirmable ??? <<<
Barney Religious ??? Action failed (rbed?) <<< Mildly wondering if we have a noob scum team who mistook my camera toilet joke for a claim to be an watcher.
Lunatic ??? ??? ??? <<<
Banana Hamas vs. Israel "Town Insurgent"1x (#87), upon death? (#96) Was visited (#49), and rejected them (#59) <<< CCing Vader after Vader put pressure on them, seems a little sketch. Also the whole visit thing is odd, seems like a cookie giver (maybe a good one, maybe a bad?) per the purgatory thread.
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Earth Can't live without doing evil Removed Evil cookie giVER Lynched DP1 (guilty). <<<Likely janitored by their faction, they could even be regular scum. Part of why I say this is the formatting of the affiliation, which seems less likely from a mod (who'd copy/paste) and more likely from someone mistyping (wholly possible for a mod to do, but just a little less likely). Also looking at the purgatory, it seems like evil cookie givers are a role.
Savant Israel's suspicious activity during 9-11 ??? ??? Killed NP1 <<<Before reading Vader's post, I wondered if we had a role/faction thief, since two janitors would be odd.
Casey activism is easy activist (restarts DP) Town Killed NP1
Small note, I think the role I refer to as bomb is actually Super Saint (kills whomever hammered them, like in Good Omens when the town burnt an actual witch... Ok, so that destroyed the town, but you get the idea). Assuming Banana is soft claiming this, because as a normal town killing role, why even CC Vader instead of just kill him tomorrow night?
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@Mharman
Honestly, why Vader wasn’t roleblocked is a good question to ask.
Assuming he's town, scum may not have suspected he was on to any of them.
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@WyIted
That graveyard is going to get really long. It may be best to start a thread for the graveyard, with one post per death, and just have a tiny summary at the top of each DP.
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Caught up on reading, but in bed on my cellphone so not going to try to update the dashboard.
I trust Vader more than Banana right now, but I need to re-read a post from Wylted about Incels to ensure they gel (want to say a couple months ago?). Black pill equals death makes sense for most, but Wylted has a different opinion on black pills and Incels in general; but I am not sure paying for sex matches death. Again, I need to hunt town his prior statement on this topic to ensure consistency.
That said I don’t think Vader would be role confirmed if we don’t vote him and only one NK occurs. With how many players there are mafia could have been given a single bonus kill (as one possibility, buttered are others). That said, consistent bonus kills from mafia seems unlikely, so I’d be in favor of continuing to trigger his powers.
fYI, I assumed his power was detecting how many scum were on his wagon.
Oh Banana implied being a bomb, I think someone else already did that previously and there was no counterclaim.
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Reading the first page, I’ll immediately say that I mildly dislike how fast Vader posted.
And on an unrelated note, I was role blocked.
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