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interesting game
will have more thoughts on it later but I thought it was balanced-ish, just extremely swingy in terms of night actions
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WF is obviously non-town, look at the contradictions in what he's saying, he's making it up
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think he has to be scum with WF and don't want to risk hitting deathproof
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@ILikePie5
For the sake of this game 4-2-1 is equivalent to 4-3 cause I don’t trust that WF is Deathproof. That means we have to find the other two scum and hold off on WF until the end.
Makes sense, yeah.
Between Luna and Barney, who do you think is a safer hit for today?
And what do you make of GP rn?
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@ILikePie5
So theoretically, we are looking at a 4-2-1 situation
Seems likely, yeah, scum having deathproof surely just leads to Wylted calling the game since nothing town do will eliminate all the scum.
It activated the Crab God
That's true, it could be a distinct ability.
Idk, do you think it just makes sense to just hunt for the scum today? WF is basically outed as non-town but I'm not sure how the deathproof works.
I think if Wylted confirms that it continues the day, there's no harm in testing it, worst case we would reach a final 5 3 v 2 situation after the NK.
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@Barney
I could be wrong, but doesn't deathproof normally leave the day going? I've been in multiple games where that was the case (or at least for lynchproof).
Didn't lynching WF insta-end the day yesterday?
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I didn't have enough coffee yet to deal with this.
Could WF be 3P?
2 neutral 3Ps and 3 scum would be far more balanced than 1 neutral 3P and 4 scum actually...
Would also explain why WF looks less paired with the rest of the POE.
Idk, I have a lot of questions but I doubt WF will answer them honestly regardless of his alignment.
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I'm assuming WF can't possibly be town given that either he's stealing GP's role and not admitting to it which is never a town action, or there's some other collusion going on.
Really don't like Barney's reaction. If WF is deathproof and it can activate again this DP, then voting him allows scum a free NK and to instantly reach parity.
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Whiteflame not voting or even making a push is lowkey outing btw.
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@Mharman
Whiteflame or Lunatic? Who do you prefer?
WF, for stated mech reasons regarding Luna's claim either outing himself as scum/forcing him to forfeit another kill choice as scum, or forcing scum to verify/lose a kill in the unlikely even he's town
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@Mharman
Austin had it ordered that he susses Whiteflame more earlier. Now his sus on Barney is stronger. Not sure what to make of that.
I would prefer WF today, not sure why you thought I sus Barney more.
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Do me a favor and say the word “carcinization” in this thread
carcinization
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just reading back through DP2 rn, ping me with any questions
noting Luna's vote, fine with WF but not voting there to avoid early hammer (as in one that cuts off discussion, not a quickhammer)
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@Barney
your role being called by the mod as a big ol announcement. Sounds like another name for innocent child? (Pretty sure that’s the one, game progresses to a certain point and the mod declares them)
My role is just legendary, not an actual innocent child, the difference is the mod message. Is that your only reason to townread me per se?
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@Lunatic
Whiteflame is one, barney is one, the last is between you and GP. Their is equal amount of wifom to buy you or gp as scum, but im leaning towards GP being town and you being scum. Idk what being legendary means but I don't think it neccesarily means you are town confirmed.
This reasoning feels really lame, you could easily just say this with you being scum and having WF/Barney as your teammates and have it sound reasonable. Like is your reason for scumreading me solely down to POE? Also, beyond just my role, what about my behavior and me correctly calling Vader/Banana town/town D2?
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@Mharman
WF was here beforehand. Three other players showed up after I voted.
Does feel like kind of odd timing - I don't think it means anything in particular for WF's alignment, but in general showing up around critical moments tends to be a >rand scum tell, especially if it's a situation in which scum would be eager to grab credit or try to influence the situation.
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WF/Luna probs scum/scum
Think it's mech correct to vote WF if only so that scum!Luna would either be outed the next day or be forced to leave Savant/Mhar alive via a Pie kill assuming I'm understanding the apportioner claim correctly, but Luna's total passivity in LYLO combined with his eagerness to immediately vote WF doesn't sit right with me.
Last one is likely Barney, unless I have a rly good reason to TR someone else - Pie lock clear, Mhar lock clear, if Wylted gave scum a self-resurrection role we riot, and I've explained why I town GP. Mhar's result is the only thing that makes me hesitate but I can see worlds in which scum!Barney would still give that result (Mhar's theory is the most convincing), while it's hard for me to scum the others in the above list.
WF is certainly scum by POE as well as the fact that he seems oddly resigned to his lynch in a way which feels much more in character from what I remember from him as town, especially considering it's LYLO and he should know that now is the worst time possible to give up if he's town - could either be intentionally limiting his interactions or just giving up, but I don't see a world where he's town. Ik this has already been echoed elsewhere but just want to reiterate I'm fine with the lynch.
Luna's vote on WF is not unpairing at all btw.
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@Barney
slightly worried that you think I'm town confirmed, I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. Could you explain?
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@Lunatic
Both are in the POE for me... Honestly fine with either. I don't whiteflames claim, and barney's seems a bit OP considering all the town roles we have seen so far, plus lack of confirmation doesn't help. I'll go with ya'll on this one. I haven't been following the game too closely, just checking in more or less here and there, laziness plus other interests like I mentioned earlier. I trust you and pie are probably town and can solve this, so just let me know who you decide.
There are guaranteed at least three scum (assuming no 3P, or even if so, then non-town). Who's the third, from your point of view?
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think GP is town
frustration feels real + he has mech + the way he's communicating his role is a lot closer to just someone genuinely not sure how to communicate it well as opposed to obfuscating or fakeclaiming, if he's scum he's had four days with help of teammates to make his stuff clearer than this
not like lock clear but I would never consider him unless any of the others in POE clear themselves
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hi
extremely busy rn, sorry - can't catch up on everything rn, but if anyone has any questions, now is probably the best time
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@Mharman
That stressed me out smh
going to do homework now
Mharman, would still recommend you don't out your result if you guiltied someone (this time for real), so we can solve off associatives. If you didn't guilty someone, make your own best call ig.
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I’m a fairly conservative player. I wasn’t going to want till I heard the story
Ok, good to know
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you could have just asked me to towncase myself lmao
I mean I think my reaction to that made me obvious town but don't make fancy plays while in MYLO, what if Pie had bought your guilty and put me in hammer range?
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UnvoteSorry to play hardball. I know you like to lie about your role to other townies.
dude
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@ILikePie5
Even if he’s scum, why would he confess
I'm pretty sure he's just a townie reaction testing, would explain why he's refusing to give his results and why he keeps talking to me rather than asking others to just lynch me if he's so confident I'm scum. I guess the idea is that if I was scum I would crack under the pressure and try to 1v1 him or confess to something just to get him to take away the guilty, though given I'm town, neither of those really makes sense.
The only thing that pings me is that this is kind of out of character for Mharman, I remember during Ace Attorney Mafia he got really annoyed at me for faking a Day Dreamer role and said that fancy plays like that are anti-town. Idk, still think he's town, but he needs to retract soon.
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@Mharman
Tick tock
Either:
-You're reaction testing
-You got manipulated
-You're scum
None of those really have relevant to my alignment in particular, nor do I feel the need to explain my actions when I'm a townie with a passive role.
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@ILikePie5
What are your behavioral reads for each of them
I think Luna so far has felt the most in his scum meta - he's been relatively passive and I disliked the way he played around Banana/Vader, felt exactly like a scum trying to egg on town-vs-town violence and trying to deflect blame for it onto banana afterward. My only hesitance mechanically speaking is the claim and last night's result, but purely off behavior, he feels the worst.
Barney has left almost no impression on me all game other than fighting with GP, I don't think I've played with him much and can't confidently read him, but I would say I don't have a strong reason to be towning him. I did think that scum wouldn't so overtly pick a fight, although that's to a degree WIFOM. Again, there's some mitigation with mechanics if he was truly RBed, idk.
WF has felt behaviorally the most towny just by his effort and by being more active than his scum games which I remember as being very passive, so just off that he's the best of the three. This is with the caveat that I have townread him when he's scum and I know he's a good player, but it's just my gut instinct off behavior alone, outside of meta. Mechanically speaking, he has nothing going for him iirc?
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wait nvm we're on 8 people.
Scum can't quickhammer here even if a town votes wrong.
Mharman I swear to god if you did this as a reaction test and took years off my lifespan I'm going to be very annoyed. If you're not, please just paste your investigative results at this point, because the only way you're telling the truth fypov is if you were manipulated.
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@Mharman
Bruh unvote, you could’ve been manipulated by JoeBob
I didn't notice that. That probably explains things actually, that'd also explain why scum didn't kill Mharman last night if he's town like I think.
Unvote, we are in LYLO rn.
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@Mharman
VTL AustinConfess or we lynch
Unvote or I'm going to assume you're scum going for the win. I'm serious here, this is LYLO and you cannot be faking a vote for reactions, softing an investigative is one thing but voting is another and if you're scum then I know I'm the only viable mislynch here out of the POE pool. Like this is way too far for reactions.
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Yeah I was going into today thinking it was just Barney/WF/Luna which kinda makes sense as a scum team mostly ignoring each other with some light distancing, but the Barney/Luna result gives me some pause, I can think of ways to explain it but I'm just weighing whether it's more likely that the result was messed with or unclear, or that I'm misclearing someone in my towncore, or that there's a 3P (but in that case, idk why my role would have activated DP3, since with only 3 scum in 9 people it still shouldn't be MYLO/LYLO, unless the 3P somehow wins with scum? e.g. a survivor role or smth).
The most important thing here is for people to be collectively found as town - if we just deny scum mislynches this way, then they're going to be boxed in and have to cannibalize themselves. I think I've done my part here with my solving and my past actions - I've been kind of slacking this game due to irl, but I think that I can and should be found as town here especially with how I acted DP2 which is just far out of my scum meta.
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@ILikePie5
I just realized that there is no reason why Barney would be roleblocked if he was scum. If we take Barney, GP, and Savant all out, we’re left exactly with Luna, WF, Austin
I forgot about that actually - I think Mharman's result DP2 is a good look for him, I don't have the post in front of me right now but it seemed to imply a roleblock. The problem with that POE is kinda obvious tho, I know I'm town so someone's being miscleared (or there's a 3P? Still feel it's possible, especially now that we know Owen wasn't a true 3P). I think it's very possible for Luna and WF to be scum, I'd prefer waiting a day because it'd be embarrassing to lynch Luna if he's town about to confirm, but I'm willing to let the people I townread make the call today.
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@Mharman
Why do you lie?
Not sure if this is a reaction test or something, but I know I'm town and I didn't take any action last night, so unless you received fake investigative results, I'm not sure why you think I'm lying.
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@Mharman
The only reason why I’m even including Austin here is because legendary =/= town confirmation.
Ya, this is technically true, although I think the way I handled the claim was pretty towny and as scum I would be leveraging it a lot more than I have lol.
The main reason I should be town here is just my treatment of Vader and banana imo. Zero world in which I'm scum where I ever call them both town and try to defuse the conflict, I literally noted that both of them were behaving towny (Vader moreso) and had a POE of Joebob and some others (I think Luna, Barney, and GP), if the latter POE is at least 2/3 then that means I was just correctly hitting scum on a day where I had no reason not to just sit back and encourage town vs town violence. Like if I had been listened to, either by the voters or banana, then town would not be in MYLO/LYLO on day 3.
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@Mharman
In addendum, I have a question for everyone. What would you have predicted scum’s night actions would be, heading into NP3?
Pie is the obvious NK target, especially since I presume his role of communicating with Casey is a constant thing and can't be roleblocked or interfered with. I think it's likely scum have some sort of roleblocker, though as far as I know, no one except Barney has claimed being roleblocked which is... kinda odd? Especially I feel if scum had a roleblocker they would have used it on Vader NP1, idk, just a thought. I presume that if they didn't have a roleblocker or interferer, you would be a higher priority target as an investigative role, while otherwise they would just use it on you.
No one else stands out as an obvious target by scum actions, maybe only Luna if he's telling the truth and is town.
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@Mharman
If anyone here is still hiding something about their role, come clean now. I may have caught you.
Nothing to report here. BTW I would recommend holding your story for a bit longer if you caught a scum in order to potentially let scum out themselves by defending their teammate, but make sure to get it by the end of the day in case you're NKed.
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First note is that no NK, only role that would explain that (other than maybe some crab god shenanigans, which I find unlikely - assuming it's real, scum has it, so idk why it would block their own NK) is either Luna being apportioner, or scum waiving an NK to try and confirm Luna.
Idk, seems risky to forfeit an entire NK to try and confirm one member, but the POE is tight and I could see a play like that happening.
The mechanically correct play here is to look for a scum lynch today - even if Luna is scum, that still makes two - and then see if Pie dies tonight, along with another townie.
If Pie dies and another NK dies, then Luna is mechanically confirmed.
If only Pie dies, then there are two options. Either Luna is scum and we lynch him, or he's being town framed by scum forfeiting a kill. Regardless, even in the latter possibility, that basically forces scum to lose an NK and have to deal with a tighter POE.
I think this should work? Generally I'm decent with mechanics and we had a similar plan with me being the roleblocker last game, and this feels similar in terms of it only being able to go right.
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@ILikePie5
what’s in the double brackets in your PM?
it says "death copes"
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Agree with others that Joebob is probs the safest lynch, he's been scummy all game and I feel like if he's town than scum would be chomping at the bit to mislynch him yet there's been no indication of that at all, I feel like ever. I don't view Luna's vote of him as being unpaired at all btw.
not going to vote yet, don't want to end the day early even if he's scum.
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My current POE is Barney/Luna/Joebob/WF. I put WF in there a bit reluctantly, but we know we're in LYLO/MYLO due to my role as well as Savant's claims, and I'm much more inclined to believe that:
-Pie is town for role and behavior (mostly meta + approach yday and today was very towny)
-Savant is town for role (pretty confident on this)
-Mharman is town for role and behavior throughout the game (can elaborate more on this is anyone is scumreading Mharman, but he's just shown a level of care and curiosity which almost always just comes from town).
-GP is tricky. If his role truly got swapped, then he's probably just town, since it's almost always a scum role swapper since they didn't claim when asked and it's pretty obviously anti-town. The problem is he could theoretically be lying about that, but I just don't see why he does that? It's kind of WIFOM and I'm actually not so confident that he's town instead of WF, call it maybe gut instinct just off how he handled the claim.
I think the POE is likely at least 3/4 correct, maybe even 4/4 if I'm decent at the game lol. Scum are getting boxed in mechanically.
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ALIVE:Pie - Hylics pneumatics psychic - SpiritualistMharman - Theme - NarratorGreyparrot - Carcinization - Crab God; Playing God with Mortality - 1x Bio-EngineerJoeBob - Frozen Jesus - Vital CowardBarney - Christianity’s views on life extension - NeighborizerLunatic - The 120 year life cap - ApportionerWhiteflame - Victim Complex - AbsorberAustin - Social avoidance of death - LegendaryDEAD:Banana - Israel vs Hamas - InsurgentOwen - 2 Reasons to Become Tranny - Universal Backup; became Evil Cookie GiverEarth - How People Handle Evil - Evil Cookie GiverCasey - Activism is easy - ActivistVader - Are Incels Right - BlackpilledSavant - Israel’s suspicious activities - Crisis Actor
Barney, Luna, WF, kinda stand out to me here - everyone else has weird roles, while those seem like outliers.
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My POE is Joebob, Luna, and Barney, just bc I heavily tr WF, Pie, Mharman, Savant. If there's a fourth scum, it's probs GP, although it's possible he could also be some sort of 3P just judging by the weird role.
One thing that I think should make me town here is that I was one of the only people to accurately identify Banana/Vader as being town/town last DP. If I'm scum I have literally zero reason to try and defend banana, and then try and discourage Vader as a scumread, when as scum I would just try and fuel the town-v-town violence. Really disappointed that I was literally right and yet we're in this position on literal DAY 3 anyway but w/e.
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My character is social avoidance of death.
My role is "legendary". Basically, at MYLO/LYLO, Wylted will announce that I am "legendary" in the OP.
Justification is a rambling diary entry from Wylted about how people try to gain status and money to feel better about their impending death, and that it activates on MYLO/LYLO because that's when I'm facing death and being mod-confirmed allowed me to socially avoid it (i.e. being lynched).
Not a very useful role, all it does is let me know when town is facing a MYLO/LYLO state (useful if we don't know how many scum there are), and role confirm myself in that regard. I think it does soft confirm me as town just for the way that Wylted worded it as well as the role not making any sense for a scum one, but ymmv and I understand I may still be in some people's POEs.
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