Arkhamafia DP1

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, if there were 2 townies, 2 TPs, and 2 mafia, would it count as 4-2 or 2-2?
2-2-2
And the game would continue in this case?
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@Barney
I would appreciate it if everyone gave a costume clue, to box in any potential fake claims later. Color gives very little away, but would serve this well.
Don't know if it's really that useful or not, but I doubt it would hurt. Green is included in my character's costume.
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Actually, I should have looked up my character's costume before I said that. Most versions of the character don't have green in the costume.
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@SirAnonymous
, if there were 2 townies, 2 TPs, and 2 mafia, would it count as 4-2 or 2-2?
2-2-2
And the game would continue in this case?
The game will be in play at 2-2-2
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I would appreciate it if everyone gave a costume clue, to box in any potential fake claims later. Color gives very little away, but would serve this well.
Not sure about this. Color schemes can give it away.
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@ILikePie5
I barely remember this at all lol so I'm essentially a noob
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Well, it's good to hear both of you, though some contribution beyond just saying that you're still noobs would be good to see. I realize it's early stages and there's not a huge amount to talk about at the moment, but talking about the theme, the claims on the table already and how you perceive them, or even just asking questions to clarify things you don't understand would be better than what you've posted so far. There's nothing to read behaviorally from either of you at the moment, which makes both of you black boxes.
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We might should just get full claims from the noobs
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@That2User
Regarding the claims on the table so far, they are both a little off, though it's difficult to say if it's more likely that That2 would have made them this way or not. I can't dismiss the possibility that they're fake claims, but if they are, giving them this early doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 

Still, I can't shake how strange they both are. Batman isn't an Arkham inmate, though given how often he goes there, particularly in the games, it's not entirely out there. The Pacifist role still doesn't sit well with me, since it seems like someone just glued the name "Pacifist" onto an entirely separate role and, given Batman's character, it's not exactly accurate, either. The "no kill" rule isn't exactly something he's held to throughout his many incarnations, but even beyond that, he's certainly no pacifist.

The Joker has a couple of oddities as well. He does drift between alliances to some extent, though I'd expect him to win independently given that he rarely gels well with other villains and never stays. It's also an odd choice because I'm noting a trend of characters with an alter ego. The Joker doesn't have one. I agree with Earth that we don't want to reveal too much information about our characters and color can be rather revealing with some characters (though I will say green is common enough that isn't not a problem), but it would be nice to know if anyone else has a character without an alter ego, just to see if this is actually a distinction or not. I don't want to get caught up on theories about a theme split.

Speaking of which, I haven't checked yet. @That2, is there a theme split?
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@PREZ-HILTON
We might should just get full claims from the noobs
I'd prefer participation to claims, especially since we already have two full claims on the table. 

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@ILikePie5
What parts of your role did you leave out for "strategic purposes"?
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Batman makes sense as a TP. Either way, TP = scum and if you think Sups is a Lyncher, we can get Sups first because he's also TP lol. 

@corey

Did your Discord DM have a picture of your character?
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@Earth
I am certainly down with killing the TPs first as a precaution the issue is if it gives us less mislynches or not. 
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@whiteflame
I only claimed because it was a CC of a 3rd party to Pie.

I want to win with town because it is the most optimal way for me to win this game. I joint win town or mafia, but there is no reason for me to not win with town. So I am effectively a town JOAT because my allegiance is with town
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@whiteflame
Do not full claim at all. TPs are essentially joint win roles, so we should only be the ones to claim realistically for town benefit
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If mafia acted right, hey would not waste a kill on someone who is a Tp and can win with them. Scums objective is to kill town, not 3p who have the same wincon as them.

Sure I am actively going to side with town for the first two DP. But killing either Pie or I would not be optimal
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I am also not opposed to getting Pie modkilled as well with his role

1) he has a role that is essentially confirmable 
2) if the modkill does not happen, pie should be the lynch
3) if pie does get modkilled, we can use that as our lynch and vtnl then. if the hammer goes thru, pie is our scum for lynch in dp2

that is what I am thinking to do
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@Vader
Do not full claim at all. TPs are essentially joint win roles, so we should only be the ones to claim realistically for town benefit
We can't trust this really. There can be weird wincons like Batman wins when the joker dies or you win if you survive until DP3.

I played in a game where I won if I got 3 specific people lynched and none could be NKed.

We don't know what your wincon is and have no reason to trust you
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@That2User
would the role by claimed work on himself for the hammer (would he be modkilled if he hammered himself)
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@PREZ-HILTON
Realistically, yes, you have no reason to trust me because of TP. However, I as TP want to win the game and working with town is the best option to win the game
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I am going to read behaviors once I finish submitting some homework, but I thought I'd my thought process in dealing with this situation
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post my thought*
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@Vader
I’m not questioning your decision to claim, I’m more puzzled by the claim itself. I’m also not seeking claims of any kind at the moment.

As for getting Pie to test his claim, the method itself seems problematic. We lose someone regardless, either due to the modkill or the lynch. If he’s lying, we waste the DP and potentially give scum a mislynch. This only helps at all if he’s telling the truth.
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@PREZ-HILTON
It would make more sense if Joker wins when Batman dies, although I recall Joker going even insane when he kills Batman.
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@whiteflame
Apologies but my attention span is pretty bad right now 

I don't understand the game much at all so I don't know how to contribute


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@crystalynx
Like I said, if you don't know, ask questions about things you don't understand. Read what has been posted so far and comment on it. You joined the game, you're expected to contribute in some way, regardless of your attention span.
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@whiteflame
We would vtnl if Pie actually DOES get modkilled. 
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@whiteflame
@That2, is there a theme split?
A theme split exists, yes
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@PREZ-HILTON
What parts of your role did you leave out for "strategic purposes"?
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@Earth
Batman makes sense as a TP. Either way, TP = scum and if you think Sups is a Lyncher, we can get Sups first because he's also TP lol. 

@corey

Did your Discord DM have a picture of your character?

Where are you getting this Lyncher idea from?