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I reread the OP and it says “at least one TP exists.” Theoretically that means that 2 could exist, but then is there just one mafia member?
Yeah, I just checked myself, thought it said one TP when I skimmed it at first. Two TPs and two mafia seems unbalanced, though given that your wincons are distinct, that might be possible. It would be unusual, though. The 6-2-1 or 6-1-2 makes more sense than a 5-2-2 setup, regardless of TP affiliation.

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It specifically says patients though. Why would Batman be locked in Arkham asylum? 

There might be multiple TP but Batman makes no sense

VTL Pie
That’s a great point. I have no rebuttal against it because that’s the character That2 gave me.

It’s conceivable 2 TPs are possible. I’m trying to think of an incentive for Supa CCing me as TP JOAT. The only thing I can think of is that he has some sort of vote steal, but that makes no sense this early unless he’s trying to gain “towncred.”
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First a question for the mod. Do TPs count as town in determining whether the game has ended, or do they not count at all? For example, if there were 2 townies, 2 TPs, and 2 mafia, would it count as 4-2 or 2-2?
She answered that when she answered the wincon question I think. Mafia have to be a majority of the township to win is what I got from that answer
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Second, some math.

Suppose both Supa and Pie are telling the truth. If TPs are counted separately from town, then there is likely one mafioso, making it 6-1-2 rather than 5-2-2, which seems unlikely because we would be in LYLO in DP2. That is possible. If TPs are counted as town, then there could still be two mafia, making it 7-2. So it's not impossible that they are both telling the truth.

Third, some behavior analysis. If Pie is mafia and he read the first post of the DP, then he would have known that there was at least one TP. Thus, he would have known that he would get CC'ed by the actual TP. I doubt he would have done that. Of course, it is possible that he didn't read the first post carefully and missed that. If Supa is mafia, this seems like a bizarre play. If Pie is actually a third party and Supa is mafia, then Supa is setting himself up to get lynched next DP. That also doesn't seem likely.

Fourth, some WIFOM. If either Supa or Pie is mafia, then they could have noticed that That2 said "at least one TP" and gambled that town would be willing to accept that there would be more than one TP. So it's possible that one of them is mafia taking a risk. It seems like an unnecessary risk to take, though.
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You also have to ask the question: why would I claim TP as mafia knowing there was a TP in the game. 
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So if your wincon is survival, how is your role different from the standard TP survivor?
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My gut (which is usually unreliable) says that I should buy both these claims. If either of them is lying, then they are taking an unnecessary risk. My head warns me that one or both of them could be gambling on that very reaction.
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Conspiracy theory: Pie and Supa are the mafia team. They are waiting for the real TP to CC them and are hoping to escape in the resulting chaos.
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Okay so let me think about this. Let’s assume for a second that it is 6 town, 2 mafia, 1 TP.

If Supa is mafia CCing me then he knows that when I flip TP, he will be on the chopping block as scum. Assuming a successful NK, it would be 5-2. Let’s assume there’s a vote stealer. This would mean that every townie would have to vote correctly to lynch. There is however a work around to this. Assuming the vote steal is 1x, then a VTNL would suffice and DP it would be 4-2 still. This option seems unlikely.

Another option is that Supa is buying time with some sort of converter role like I had last DP, in which case it is 7-1-1 right now. With a lynch and no NK (cause he would be converting that night), it would be 5-2-1 the next DP, which is theoretically MYLO since DP3 will be 3-2-1 and town would have to rely on me as the 4th vote. If Supa could kill and recruit, it’s even worse because it will be 4-2-1. This option seems more likely than the previous one
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So if your wincon is survival, how is your role different from the standard TP survivor?
I cannot hammer people out of principle. If I attempt to do so, I get modkilled. My role is like a combo of Survivor and Pacifist. Coincidentally Supa’s is a combination of Survivor and JOAT.
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Conspiracy theory: Pie and Supa are the mafia team. They are waiting for the real TP to CC them and are hoping to escape in the resulting chaos.
I am perfectly fine lynching Supa and then me. If my conversion theory is correct, Supa is a bigger threat than I thought because he can force MYLO on DP2
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Huh. Both those roles are weird.
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How are you fine with that? If your wincon is survival, that would make you lose 
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Two TPs with similar wincons does seem odd. If they are both TPs, I would guess one of them is hostile. But what do I know?
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How are you fine with that? If your wincon is survival, that would make you lose 
I hate playing TP. I would like to help town, but if y’all sus me then lynch me. That helps town as well with POE
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I am in class right now but Pie reads behaviorally town from his response to my CC, which means I think there is a possibility of 2  3rd parties. I have to believe Pie here because him suggesting a 6 v 2 v 1 and autoclaiming 3P when he knew it would be CC'd if he thought he was the only one. 

Could he be scum and pulling a gambit? Absolutely, but the odds are so low I doubt it
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I hate playing TP.
I do remember that.
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I am in class right now but Pie reads behaviorally town from his response to my CC, which means I think there is a possibility of 2  3rd parties. I have to believe Pie here because him suggesting a 6 v 2 v 1 and autoclaiming 3P when he knew it would be CC'd if he thought he was the only one. 
I really doubt a mafia Supa would go from wanting to lynch Pie to town-reading Pie in 30 minutes. I'm guessing they're both TP, though I doubt both are friendly.
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My concern with Pie though is that we can not test his role because he claims he can get "modkilled," which means there is no way to confirm this. Is this intentional? The odds are so low but there are fingers. Behaviorally Pie reads town but in regards to his role it's extremely SOP/scummy. I am lost on what to do 
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I do not read Pie as town, but his response came off  behaviorally as town. He still is slight scum for the CC and the claim itself
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some third parties have the goal of being recruited. So dangerous to wholly trust them. Also seems weird that Joker would have the goal of survive instead of kill Batman.

That said, I really don’t mind if a third party comes in first place. I don’t view that as town losing, so long as the game continues.

I would appreciate it if everyone gave a costume clue, to box in any potential fake claims later. Color gives very little away, but would serve this well.

Also anyone have any obscene characters? Not asking for the character reveal, just if it’s lesser known.

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Obscure.
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VTL Pie

One 3p is something, bit two is different. And also lol3rd.
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, if there were 2 townies, 2 TPs, and 2 mafia, would it count as 4-2 or 2-2?
2-2-2
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Official Vote Count:

Coreyinthehouse- 1/5- SirAnonymous

 ILikePie5- 2/5-WyIted, Earth

Barney- 1/5- Barney
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I’ll respond to all posts when my laptop is charged and back at home
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Earth and I are on Pie atm 
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But unvote
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I’m stilling to lynch Pie but I want to hear more info this DP
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