Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory

Obviously it's not cuz people of various religions live day to day and make moral choices all the time some of which you fucking agree with. Believe it or not most polytheistic religions don't even tell you what's moral or what's not, you basically are just supposed to worship the gods.

Your choices do not make morality objective.

Your right, God’s choice does.

I would have to say that prudential bargaining with an authoritarian God is a terrible basis for morality.

i want to know what is right and what is wrong

i want to know what is right and what is wrong

By projecting so much your basically claiming to already know.

A choice is made by a mind, which makes it by definition, subjective.

you're the one claiming morality is "objective"

you're the one claiming morality is "objective"

And you’re the one conflating complexity with uselessness, are you asking a question or making a claim?

i want to know what is right and what is wrong

By projecting so much your basically claiming to already know.

you're the one claiming morality is "objective"

but still won't bother to define it beyond that

If anybody here wants to debate the issue that Morality is Objective,  I'm your Huckleberry.

and I won't be invoking God in my argument.  

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But there is punishment for rejecting God.

Why is there punishment?

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If insisting that an argument be rational is a reduction to you then you have issues I can’t help you with.

I am asking why you  lost 2 of the 2 debates you participated in if you are so rational?

Is it always because your rational argument is irrational by definition.

I lost both debates according to the subjective opinion of the majority of readers who cast their vote. A vote by the way, which almost exclusively aligned with the beliefs of said individuals coming into the debate.

All of this however is irrelevant to this discussion. I’m not proclaiming myself to be some kind of genius, I’m talking about basic principals of reason that you according to your own arguments reject. Do you have any response to that, or do you just want to continue measuring dicks with our debate record ruler?

i'm asking if "objective morality" can be applied to the real-world

For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

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i'm asking if "objective morality" can be applied to the real-world

Why are you asking me this?

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i'm asking if "objective morality" can be applied to the real-world

Why are you asking me this?

He thinks you can answer his question. Just tell him you don’t know.

For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

What is He jealous of?

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For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

What is He jealous of?

Objective means 'not dependent on mind

Which conflicts with the definition “(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.”

So you we’re not able to change sway the audience or change their minds with your debates. That is why you lost!!

If you stuck to the topic you might have done better in your debates instead of just wanting  to continue measuring dicks with your debate record ruler?

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Objective means 'not dependent on mind

Which conflicts with the definition “(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.”

Linking me to an earlier post where you demonstrate that you don’t understand basic English is not an argument.

“Not influenced by personal feelings” does not conflict with “being independent of the mind”. In fact the former is necessarily entailed in the latter;

The shape of the earth is not influenced by personal feelings therefore the shape of the earth is independent of the mind.

It’s basically the same damn thing.

We learned the difference between objectivity and subjectivity in grade school. Who don’t you understand this?

Other gods. Exodus 34:14

He must be jealous of everything. That is why He gave the Jews 613 commandments to follow.

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He must be jealous of everything. That is why He gave the Jews 613 commandments to follow.

A commandment doesn’t necessarily equate to jealousy.

Other gods. Exodus 34:14

Other Gods aren’t applicable to atheists.

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Other gods. Exodus 34:14

Other Gods aren’t applicable to atheists.

Regardless. You asked question about god and you had your answer from the horse's mouth. 

Exodus 34:14  Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Interesting that this jealous god acknowledges that other gods existed in his time. something else Christians are at pains to deny.

If anybody here wants to debate the issue that Morality is Objective,  I'm your Huckleberry.

and I won't be invoking God in my argument.  

please explain

i'm asking if "objective morality" can be applied to the real-world

Why are you asking me this?

I believe there is real mental or moral causality in the universe, and consequently, there is a moral dimension of reality that exists objectively, rather than subjectively.

Most everyone considers mathematical knowledge to be objective knowledge, and I believe, and can logically argue, that moral knowledge is objective in much the same way that mathematical knowledge is objective.  There are many objective facts that are based on human nature and so I believe that morality is grounded in human nature and is therefore objective, and as mentioned above, I do not believe that one needs to invoke God to make the case.

The caveat being recognition that morality is a matter of human conduct, it's about how human beings "ought" to act, so if by "Objective Morality" we mean morality that would exist independently of human beings, then I think that is a meaningless question. To question objective morality independently of human beings is to pose the question in the context of a reality in which logic, science, morality, reasoning, questions and arguments don’t exist.  The simple objective fact is that human beings experience a reality that includes values, purposes, and meanings. The very idea that these and related concepts such as morality can be evaluated in some kind of contrived context that is independent of human beings is meaningless.

If we understand objective knowledge to be knowledge based on observation of the real world, as is the case with objective scientific or mathematical knowledge, then I think that moral knowledge is also arrived at by observation and can be considered objective.

nobody is arguing against all conceivable gods here

we're discussing "objective morality