Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory

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If only God can define goodness, how do you account for the fact that most atheists tend to be ethical people of high moral character.
There’s nothing moral about the rejection of God.
Morality is about behavior and conduct, not about metaphysical beliefs, people who don't believe in God can act morally, and people who believe in God can act imorraly.  

Is there a particular denomination that is moral, or will any Theistic belief do?
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Morality is about behavior and conduct, not about metaphysical beliefs
Can those who don’t believe go to heaven?
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I see on your profile that you are a Christian, the Bible says not to judge others others over 40 times, why do you suppose that is?

When asked what the most important commandment of all was, Jesus summarized all of His teacjings with Love God and love your neighbor as you love yourself, how can we do that if we don't recognize that his belief is to him, what your belief is to you?   


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Morality is about behavior and conduct, not about metaphysical beliefs
Can those who don’t believe go to heaven?
I don't know, but accordoing to the Bible it's not for me to decide.
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I see on your profile that you are a Christian, the Bible says not to judge others others over 40 times, why do you suppose that is?
Because we don’t know what it’s like to be others.

how can we do that if we don't recognize that his belief is to him, what your belief is to you?   
But it’s not, if your referring to the discussion between Double_R and I then I recognize my belief as objective fact and he recognizes his as subjective opinion, we are not the same.

I don't know, but accordoing to the Bible it's not for me to decide.
Although you have no problem deciding that those who reject God are moral.
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If only God can define goodness, how do you account for the fact that most atheists tend to be ethical people of high moral character.
There’s nothing moral about the rejection of God.

The Bible does not say it is immoral to reject God. But there is punishment for rejecting God.
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I see on your profile that you are a Christian, the Bible says not to judge others others over 40 times, why do you suppose that is?
Because we don’t know what it’s like to be others.
Yet, you judge all Atheists as immoral?
how can we do that if we don't recognize that his belief is to him, what your belief is to you?   
But it’s not, if your referring to the discussion between Double_R and I then I recognize my belief as objective fact and he recognizes his as subjective opinion, we are not the same.
No, I'm not talking about Double R specifically, I'm talking about the Golden Rule, the principle that   Jesus said was the most important commandment of all.  The Bible also says "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for we are all one in Christ Jesus".  I find nothing about divisiveness, or prejudice in Jesus' teachings, Jesus said he came for all men, transcending the very concept of religious exclusion.  Can you show me where in the Bible you get the idea that morality is a matter of belief?

I don't know, but accordoing to the Bible it's not for me to decide.
Although you have no problem deciding that those who reject God are moral
I have no problem understanding that by definition morallity is about behavior and conduct, and I'm told not to Judge others.   Do you think a Christian is moral because of his faith, no matter what his actions are?  And the Atheist who leads a morally pure life is not because of his lack of belief?  

You can have that attitude, just don't try to blame it on Christianity, that isn't where it came from. 


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Yet, you judge all Atheists as immoral?
That’s because I believe they’re going to hell, I love how you only want to quote The Bible whenever it suits your narrative.

Can you show me where in the Bible you get the idea that morality is a matter of belief?
Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12.

Do you think a Christian is moral because of his faith, no matter what his actions are?
Your actions are a part of what makes a Christian.
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The Bible does not say it is immoral to reject God. But there is punishment for rejecting God.

Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12.
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The Bible does not say it is immoral to reject God. But there is punishment for rejecting God.

Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12.
Being a fool is not being immoral.

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Being a fool is not being immoral.
Don’t cherry-pick, there’s a lot more to the scriptures.
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Being a fool is not being immoral.
Jesus got himself crucified when he could have avoided that from happening. Was he immoral?

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Jesus got himself crucified when he could have avoided that from happening. Was he immoral?
No
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Yet, you judge all Atheists as immoral?
That’s because I believe they’re going to hell, I love how you only want to quote The Bible whenever it suits your narrative.
Yeah, and that bothers you?  Do you quote the Bible randomly?
Can you show me where in the Bible you get the idea that morality is a matter of belief?
Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12.
Interesting, I hadn't thought of those and they do appear to support your position.

Do you think a Christian is moral because of his faith, no matter what his actions are?
Your actions are a part of what makes a Christian.
So Christians who act immorally aren't Christians?

How about Muslims, they believe in God, if a Muslim acts morally, are they moral?
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Yeah, and that bothers you?
Yes, because it makes your argument appear inconsistent.

So Christians who act immorally aren't Christians?
That question makes no sense, you can’t be something that your not.

How about Muslims, they believe in God, if a Muslim acts morally, are they moral?
I’m no religion expert but some believe that God only acknowledges one religion as correct so there’s that.

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Tarik: There’s nothing moral about the rejection of God.

The Bible does not say it is immoral to reject God. But there is punishment for rejecting God.

Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12.

Being a fool is not being immoral

Jesus got himself crucified when he could have avoided that from happening. Was he immoral?
No
So he was just a fool. 
I was right. Being a fool is not being immoral
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So he was just a fool. 
No
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So he was just a fool. 
No
According to Pilate Jesus did not commit any crimes.

Luke 23:4 Then Pilate announced to the chief priests and the crowd, “I find no basis for a charge against this man.”5 But they insisted, “He stirs up the people all over Judea by his teaching. He started in Galileeand has come all the way here.”

But the crowd wanted Jesus crucified for blasphemy. They though it was foolish for a mere man to claim he was god.
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

So Jesus was just a fool and a madman.
John 10:20 Many of them said, “He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?”

Note, nothing about Jesus being immoral. Jesus was just a fool.

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Yeah, and that bothers you?
Yes, because it makes your argument appear inconsistent.
I would think quoting scripture in a random, haphazard way would be what appears inconsistent.  

So Christians who act immorally aren't Christians?
That question makes no sense, you can’t be something that your not.
There are two billion Christians, are you saying they all act morally, or are you saying that only the ones who act morally are actually Christians? 
 
What about the Christian that becomes an atheist?  If Christians can’t act immorally, then what is this forgiveness of sins concept, what is that about?

How about Muslims, they believe in God, if a Muslim acts morally, are they moral?
I’m no religion expert but some believe that God only acknowledges one religion as correct so there’s that.
There are people who believe that in practically every different religion, so that isn’t really an answer. 

How about Buddhists, they don’t believe in a God, are you saying no Buddhist is moral?
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But the crowd wanted Jesus crucified for blasphemy. 
The crowd was foolish.
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I would think quoting scripture in a random, haphazard way would be what appears inconsistent.  
Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12 isn’t random haphazard.

There are two billion Christians, are you saying they all act morally, or are you saying that only the ones who act morally are actually Christians?
Your not slick, you don’t get to make claims and pose them off as questions.

There are people who believe that in practically every different religion, so that isn’t really an answer.
And like I said earlier you can’t make a claim and pose them off as a question.

How about Buddhists, they don’t believe in a God, are you saying no Buddhist is moral?
I already told you I’m no religion expert and by the looks of it neither are you, my question to you is why do you claim to be a theist?
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But the crowd wanted Jesus crucified for blasphemy. 
The crowd was foolish.
Being a fool is not being immoral

Jesus got himself crucified when he could have avoided that from happening. Was he immoral?

No

So he was just a fool.
I was right. Being a fool is not being immoral

Therefore the  crowd being foolish was not immoral.

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So you’re not gonna actually engage with the whole scripture? You’re just repeating yourself over and over again.
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So you’re not gonna actually engage with the whole scripture? You’re just repeating yourself over and over again.
Being foolish is not immoral.

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Being foolish is not immoral.
Seriously dude why do you keep saying this? When did I ever conflate the two?
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Being foolish is not immoral.
Seriously dude why do you keep saying this? When did I ever conflate the two?
You were conflating morality with rejection of God.

There’s nothing moral about the rejection of God.
Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12.
The Bible does not say it is immoral to reject God. But there is punishment for rejecting God.
Being a fool is not being immoral

Jesus got himself crucified when he could have avoided that from happening. Was he immoral?

No

So he was just a fool.
I was right. Being a fool is not being immoral

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But there is punishment for rejecting God.
Why is there punishment?
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If insisting that an argument be rational is a reduction to you then you have issues I can’t help you with.
I am asking why you  lost 2 of the 2 debates you participated in if you are so rational?
Is it always because your rational argument is irrational by definition.
I lost both debates according to the subjective opinion of the majority of readers who cast their vote. A vote by the way, which almost exclusively aligned with the beliefs of said individuals coming into the debate.

All of this however is irrelevant to this discussion. I’m not proclaiming myself to be some kind of genius, I’m talking about basic principals of reason that you according to your own arguments reject. Do you have any response to that, or do you just want to continue measuring dicks with our debate record ruler?
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If you cannot succeed with self moderation. You have very little hope going outside your sphere of influence.
communication is the point, not "winning"
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if "god's morality" is NOT "black & white" then how can it be a useful standard ?
What’s the point of asking me questions if you’re just gonna project everything I say?
i want to know what is right and what is wrong