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INTP versus ESFJ
intp can be found in both "left" and "right" circles
esfj can be found in both "left" and "right" circles
Don't care, didn't ask.
Just to expand on this, I think another issue with the right-wing in this country as opposed to the left-wing is that we often don't seem to have something that we aspire to. If you ask a liberal what they want, they will often have a pretty specific answer for you. It will often be some egalitarian utopia that won't be ever possible to achieve. So, they will forever have this end goal to aspire to, not unlike religion.
However, if you ask most conservatives what they want, you'll not get some great vision. You'll generally get a response like wanting the 1950s back or back in the prime of [insert name of some world empire]- something that has come and gone. We are willing to settle for a civilization too easily. The most prevalent statement for what conservatives want is related to be against something rather than for something. For example, we don't like CRT, we don't want sex changes for mentally ill children, we don't like how the welfare state is currently set up- we just look at things and want them to be different than they are. We are only really united by the feeling that things aren't as they should be.
If they had left well enough alone holding onto the Obama coalition which included massive numbers of working class whites would have put republicans in the political wilderness for decades.
even most of Western Europe is quite poor compared to American living standards.
Could you give me some examples of right-wing INTPs?
you ever interacted with or live in western europe to say that?
So, could you give me an example of INTPs that identify as right-wing?
You are speechless because you have zero worthwhile rebuttal to what I said.
No, I don’t waste my time trying to change the minds of people that block me. Blocking just shows me upfront that you won’t meaningfully engage with and consider anything that I say
but apparently you are moved to action when taunted
Probably the best pre-2016 piece written on American elections:
Yes, I have noticed that myself. I don’t have a perfect answer myself for what I would like society to be like, but in a country where at least 50% of people disagree with the liberal project I shouldn’t have to come up with it all by myself. But here we are. I think part of the problem is that the conservative generally understands that utopia is impossible and therefore has no grand vision because you’ll never get to a perfect society. So he fights a tactical battle. Meanwhile the liberal, especially with religiosity waning and politics acting as a substitute, does believe in Utopianism. Or at least acts as if they do, which is what matters. So they fight strategically, pushing incremental change towards and ideal.
This has been going on for an extremely long time. While Harvard professors or NYT columnists 80 years ago couldn’t have foreseen (and wouldn’t have supported) things like CRT or transgender children the basic structure of the world—a globalized, liberal economic order backed up by a hegemonic United States is absolutely something they would’ve supported. You can see the seeds for this planted long long ago if you read old stuff.Liberals really are playing with fire by pushing the envelope on erasing all identity and the defenestration of white people. If they had left well enough alone holding onto the Obama coalition which included massive numbers of working class whites would have put republicans in the political wilderness for decades.
Part of the “problem” with this is that things are just so incredibly comfortable.
Because ultimately this kind of behavior comes from an ever present feeling among many liberals that they must DO SOMETHING!
I always got INTP or INTJ on those things but I haven’t taken on in a very long time. And I would consistently get INTP or INTJ but every letter was marginal. I’ll see if I can take one again later
No, I don’t waste my time trying to change the minds of people that block me. Blocking just shows me upfront that you won’t meaningfully engage with and consider anything that I say
INTJs can definitely be right-wing but I doubt even one single left-winger identifies as right-wing because traditionalism and many 'values' of the Right Wing directly violate the ethos and mindset of INTPs.
Liberals tend to focus their activism on platforms and through spaces like the Oscar’s or through sports. Conservatives focus their energy at the voting booth and also things like school board meetings.
It’s why despite the fact that most liberal policies enjoy overwhelming support nationally, national elections are still so close.If liberals treated politics the way conservatives do, either the parties would shift dramatically left or the republicans would be an insignificant minority.
I'm a little confused. Could you expand a little more on what you mean with conservatives being tactical and why you think that doesn't incrementally change things the way that a 'strategic' style does?
If you try to tear down all traditional forms of identity like the three Rs (race, religion, and region) you are going to have people coming up with increasingly weirder forms of identity like these wacky 100s of sexualities they have now. When you try to minimize the inherent qualities of gender and that your identity is what you choose, you will have people denying biological realities and thinking they can be whatever gender they want- including those more than just the mentally ill. Even supporting a structure of glorifying victims/pushing affirmative action (benefits for supposedly oppressed) you create a system where there are going to be more made up identities to get the favor of this system.
That was super rambly, sorry
But if you feel that I’ve straw manned lefties, feel free to let me know
I think there's some recency bias in the highlighted bit here. Conservatives spent DECADES ignoring school issues
I think theres a polling phenomenon going on of, basically:"Do you support X?" 65% yes, 30% no"Do you support doing the things required to get to X?" 52% no, 41% yes etc etc
That sense of ownership comes from a place of trust in the system itself, or at least the idea that you’re supposed to be able to trust it. It’s why the stolen election narrative is such a big thing on the right. To them the system is supposed to work, so invoking a sense of threat is very effective. On the left the notion tends to be that the system never worked, so claiming the election was stolen really wouldn’t have an impact. Liberals instead tend to focus on the people, which is why cancel culture is more prevalent there.
Take background checks for instance; it has something like 93% support. But if democrats put a bill on the floor what happens? Here come the conspiracy theories about democrats trying to take everyone’s guns. By the time the fear mongers are done every conservative in America is standing by with an ak47 in their hand declaring war on the imaginary gun snatchers. Ok I’m exaggerating, but not really. It’s just easier to rile people up than to inspire them, so change is difficult to say the least.
Florida's governor may take action to stop children and adults from using word ' gay ' on school property.