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@3RU7AL
Why are you blending government types with economic types? How about a family being a democracy?
On the scale of a single family.
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@949havoc
Why are you blending government types with economic types? How about a family being a democracy?
Why do "conservatives" speak as if capitalism and communism are incompatible (specifically as styles of government) ?
Would you describe your family as a democracy ?
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@3RU7AL
Capitialism is not a government type. It is an economic practice, even practiced by modern PRC. Tell me they don't know the value of a buck
As a family of one, absolutely.
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@949havoc
Capitialism is not a government type.
Great point.
What would you say is the "opposite" of "communism" ?
A democratic republic, such as the United States
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@949havoc
A democratic republic, such as the United States
What about a soviet republic.
Don't they elect representatives ?
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@949havoc
As a family of one, absolutely.
I'm guessing you were hatched out of an abandoned egg somewhere.
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@3RU7AL
I did originate as an egg. As my earliest memory is only at four, can't say abandonment was part of the equation, but that early memory was as a member of a small group of other people that did become fixated as an intact family.
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@949havoc
I did originate as an egg. As my earliest memory is only at four, can't say abandonment was part of the equation, but that early memory was as a member of a small group of other people that did become fixated as an intact family.
And would you describe this unit as a "democracy" ?
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@3RU7AL
That's a crucial distinction.On the one hand, you're teaching your child that they are intrinsically valuable and you love them unconditionally.On the other hand, you're teaching your child that they are only valuable if they perform labor.
You neglect to mention the cost-burden and debt which parents willingly take on by exhibiting their unconditional love. That's all fine if they're willing participants; no such discretion, however, is allowed in communism.
But, this leads me to ask: is unconditional love excluded in Capitalism?
Your own children (citizens) should not be a source of income.
What if a child is doing something he or she loves? My first cousin, once removed, is about twelve years old, and she earns an income online. My first cousin, her mother, permits her to do this, and lets her keep all her money. Is she, my first cousin that is, doing something wrong?
Taxation doesn't "fund" anything.
What is the source of government revenue? With what does the government make expenditures?
Taxation is merely a mechanism to control inflation.
Taxation can be used to regulate inflation, but not just merely.
A much more efficient way to control inflation would be to raise the mandatory reserve rate for banks.
Governments (sponsored and sanction by International Banks) will never allow this to happen because they don't want "real money" being exchanged.
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@3RU7AL
The government should be like a non-profit insurance company.A capitalist government is like a for-profit insurance company.
Governments can't be capitalistic.
In a capitalist framework, you only give things away for free, IFF THERE IS A LONG-TERM PROFIT INCENTIVE.
Why would charity within a capitalistic framework be necessarily contingent on long-term profits?
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@Athias
Your own children (citizens) should not be a source of income.What if a child is doing something he or she loves? My first cousin, once removed, is about twelve years old, and she earns an income online. My first cousin, her mother, permits her to do this, and lets her keep all her money. Is she, my first cousin that is, doing something wrong?
The child (citizen) may contribute fiat and or labor to the family (collective) voluntarily.
I think you will probably agree that they should not be coerced.
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@Athias
In a capitalist framework, you only give things away for free, IFF THERE IS A LONG-TERM PROFIT INCENTIVE.Why would charity within a capitalistic framework be necessarily contingent on long-term profits?
Charity is not CAPITALISTIC.
A capitalist might choose to voluntarily gift items and or fiat as they see fit, but the act of gift giving is not CAPITALISTIC.
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@Athias
You neglect to mention the cost-burden and debt which parents willingly take on by exhibiting their unconditional love. That's all fine if they're willing participants; no such discretion, however, is allowed in communism.
What are you talking about ?
Is all human life intrinsically valuable, or are some people worth more than others ?
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@Athias
But, this leads me to ask: is unconditional love excluded in Capitalism?
LOVE is not CAPITALISTIC.
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@Athias
Taxation doesn't "fund" anything.What is the source of government revenue? With what does the government make expenditures?
Great question.
They used to collect (gold) tariffs on imported goods.
They also collected (gold) in exchange for leases of natural resources.
Today, they simply print paper and enforce hypothetical "value" with soldiers.
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@Athias
Taxation is merely a mechanism to control inflation.Taxation can be used to regulate inflation, but not just merely.A much more efficient way to control inflation would be to raise the mandatory reserve rate for banks.Governments (sponsored and sanction by International Banks) will never allow this to happen because they don't want "real money" being exchanged.
Close enough.
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@3RU7AL
Absolutely. In my family, our "age of majority" was considered as 8. Achieving that age, all activities such as vacations or even moving residence, which we did 3 times [once before my age of majority] affecting all members could offer suggestions and register votes. We did accordingly. The one exception was that at dinner [no other meals] we were expected to be dressed respectfully, but not necessarily formally. One other exception; Mother taught us all, four brothers [I'm 3rd], how to cook and sew buttons.
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@3RU7AL
I think you will probably agree that they should not be coerced.
Agreed.
Charity is not CAPITALISTIC.A capitalist might choose to voluntarily gift items and or fiat as they see fit, but the act of gift giving is not CAPITALISTIC.
I'm not suggesting that the act of charity is intrinsically Capitalistic. You however suggested that within a Capitalist framework, gifts would only be given if and only if there was an incentive for long-term profits. Why?
What are you talking about ?Is all human life intrinsically valuable, or are some people worth more than others ?
You've attempted to create a distinction between communism and capitalism when suggested that allowance is doled out on the basis of gift or labor. That communism strictly represents the form while Capitalism strictly represents the latter. I pointed out that children are cost-burdens who create debt, and that this was all good and well if the parents were willing participants. Communism does not permit "willful participation." My question to you is this, given your response: in my refusal to assume the cost burden--while also rejecting the concept of my being coerced into it--of another individual, am I denying that person's intrinsic value?
LOVE is not CAPITALISTIC.
Would acts of love be necessarily excluded within a capitalistic framework? If so, why?
Great question.They used to collect (gold) tariffs on imported goods.They also collected (gold) in exchange for leases of natural resources.Today, they simply print paper and enforce hypothetical "value" with soldiers.
And this paper's hypothetical value enforced with soldiers uses what as collateral? (Also, well stated.)
54 days later
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@3RU7AL
The government should be like a non-profit insurance company.A capitalist government is like a for-profit insurance company.
Well stated. I'm stealing this.
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@Athias
I'm not suggesting that the act of charity is intrinsically Capitalistic. You however suggested that within a Capitalist framework, gifts would only be given if and only if there was an incentive for long-term profits. Why?
Capitalism is naked profit motive.
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@Athias
Communism does not permit "willful participation."
Please explain.
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@Athias
in my refusal to assume the cost burden--while also rejecting the concept of my being coerced into it--of another individual, am I denying that person's intrinsic value?
Choosing to "ignore" human suffering WHEN you can do SOMETHING to mitigate that suffering = denying that person's intrinsic value.
(iff) you believe some people are HUMAN TRASH, (then) you can safely ignore them and perhaps even take moral action to extinguish them.
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@Athias
LOVE is not CAPITALISTIC.Would acts of love be necessarily excluded within a capitalistic framework? If so, why?
LOVE = COMMUNISM
SHARING RESOURCES AND OR SELF-SACRIFICE WITHOUT CONCERN FOR REWARD
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@Athias
And this paper's hypothetical value enforced with soldiers uses what as collateral?
FAITH IN CREDIBLE THREAT
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@3RU7AL
On the scale of a single family......."totalitarian" ?..."communist" ?....."capitalist" ?
Varies depending on culture of the family.
Spiritual > Love > Integrity > Wholism > all-for-one and one-for-all
FAITH IN CREDIBLE THREAT
Threat to family, threat to survival of human species.
However, a family or smaller group of families can operate wholistic against a threat.
On a whole planet size like Earth, a large enough humanity cannot find the integrity to unify as a wholistic set of all-for-one and one-for-all.
Watch this video and may understand better why mind accessing creatures will always die out on any planet their seed takes hold on. This lady has discovered some of the evidence for some of the oldest life on Earth .
Greed ergo the dumbness of reducing their standard of living, even in face of death of their species. This also a due to a loss of trust to people beyond their immediate close knit collective set of family groups, smaller communities.
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@secularmerlin
Well stated. I'm stealing this.
In Lak’ech Ala K’in
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@3RU7AL
In Lak'ech Ala K'in.
Do not be deceived.
Try to find the best in others.
But trust no one.
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@zedvictor4
But trust no one.
i only trust myself