On the scale of a single family.
Would you call the functional model of a single family "totalitarian" ?
Would you call the functional model of a single family "communist" ?
Would you call the functional model of a single family "capitalist" ?
On the scale of a single family.
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@3RU7AL
Functional? I'd say a functional model would be Capitalist in nature. With that said however, the predominant and preeminent model would reflect totalitarianism.
Do you charge your wife and kids room and board? If they can't pay would you evict them? If you say yes to both of these then you are a family capitalist.
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@FLRW
o you charge your wife and kids room and board? If they can't pay would you evict them? If you say yes to both of these then you are a family capitalist.
Not necessarily. One does not have to charge. One can still be provide gifts through Capitalism.
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@3RU7AL
Are you talking about the difference between authoritarian and authoritative parenting? Is that what totalitarian and communist mean? I don't understand the question, please rephrase.
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@Athias
Functional? I'd say a functional model would be Capitalist in nature. With that said however, the predominant and preeminent model would reflect totalitarianism.
At what age do children start "earning their room and board" in your totalitarian capitalist family ?
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@MarkWebberFan
Are you talking about the difference between authoritarian and authoritative parenting? Is that what totalitarian and communist mean? I don't understand the question, please rephrase.
Think of your family like a country.
The children are citizens.
Are the parents ruling like a king and queen ?
Does big brother act as a police chief ?
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@Athias
Not necessarily. One does not have to charge. One can still be provide gifts through Capitalism.
Wait, so are you suggesting that UBI and UHC are not "anti-capitalist" ?
neither although has capitalism have played a part in it for US
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@3RU7AL
At what age do children start "earning their room and board" in your totalitarian capitalist family ?
I did not mash totalitarian and capitalist together in my description of a functional single family. I cannot escape the acknowledgement that many if not most observable families follow a totalitarian model. With respect to children "earning their room and board," am I to take it that you're assuming Capitalism is devoid of any gifts? Can one not gift goods and services within a Capitalist framework?
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@3RU7AL
Wait, so are you suggesting that UBI and UHC are not "anti-capitalist" ?
No. Those are anti-capitalist. And the reason being is that in both the distribution of income and the distribution of health-related goods and services, the regulator and distributor is the State.
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@Athias
Wait, so are you suggesting that UBI and UHC are not "anti-capitalist" ?No. Those are anti-capitalist. And the reason being is that in both the distribution of income and the distribution of health-related goods and services, the regulator and distributor is the State.
How is this different from giving your children (citizens) a weekly allowance and taking them to the hospital when they require medical attention ?
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@Athias
am I to take it that you're assuming Capitalism is devoid of any gifts?
At what point does a capitalistic government give citizens (children) something for free ?
Taking care of your family members, without regard for their ability to pay you back or return the favor in any way, appears to be a communist model.
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@3RU7AL
How is this different from giving your children (citizens) a weekly allowance and taking them to the hospital when they require medical attention ?
Because you're not coercing a tax out of your children in order to finance said allowance and hospital visits. When an allowance is provided to a child it's usually a gift or an exchange for chores. Taxation which funds the UBI and UHC is codified with the threat of deadly force. That is should one refuse to pay a tax, and subsequently reject the very concept of legal consequences for this refusal, one faces the prospect of death. The proper analogy would be some goons from a local mafia visiting a store clerk and charging a "fee for protection."
Would you threaten to murder your child if they refused to pay you?
At what point does a capitalistic government give citizens (children) something for free ?
Governments cannot be Capitalistic.
Taking care of your family members, without regard for their ability to pay you back or return the favor in any way, appears to be a communist model.
Why? Why would communism allow for gifts but Capitalism wouldn't?
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@3RU7AL
I'd say its a mixed system.
When the kids are young (and potentially unable to understand explanation), it is more likely to be totalitarian since following instructions can be crucial to their survival.
When they get older transactional exchanges have their place - money for chores/grades is beneficial to all involved.
And then there is communism - our time and energy collectively goes to maintaining and progressing the family.
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@3RU7AL
On the scale of a single family.Would you call the functional model of a single family "totalitarian" ?Would you call the functional model of a single family "communist" ?Would you call the functional model of a single family "capitalist" ?
I don't think there's a very apt analogy to be drawn since family sub-groups are already baked into the definition of any economic or government theory. I'd say that most pre-feminist families are patriarchal- father ruled. You can't really say totalitarian so long as long as there are other centers of power that might remove the patriarch. Most post-feminist families are diarchies.
Like everything else, families are a mix of socialism and capitalism, sharing and competition.
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@3RU7AL
it's authoritarianism, if done correctly
A family is a society-model so small-scaled that whether it is capitalist or anarchist is irrelevant to the structure as a whole. Though, harmful family members are as harmful as they are no matter how harmful they actually are.
Though, some families praise socialism, others praise Christian theocracy.
As to what makes a family totalitarian, when one person is in charge of all the things in the family. Some wives absolutely dominate their husbands in the home, spending the money the man makes for shopping bags. Other husbands dominate their wives based on traditions written in holy scripts.
As to a communist family, one who shares everything. Poor families tends to be communist: They literally share everything. They live together, and though only one or both parents have jobs, everyone gets the equal thing.
I can almost visualize no capitalist family, except for that ones of rich companies(even then, the family resembles more of either oligarchy or monarchy). I don't think co-owning an entire family and equating them to currency values is a very good idea.
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@Intelligence_06
As to a communist family, one who shares everything. Poor families tends to be communist: They literally share everything. They live together, and though only one or both parents have jobs, everyone gets the equal thing.
Great point.
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@Intelligence_06
I can almost visualize no capitalist family, except for that ones of rich companies(even then, the family resembles more of either oligarchy or monarchy). I don't think co-owning an entire family and equating them to currency values is a very good idea.
I sometimes felt like a slave when I was a kid.
Parental ownership of their children (citizens) might be a "capitalist" model.
I brought you into this world, and I can take you out.
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@oromagi
Most post-feminist families are diarchies.
Are you sure you'd say "most" ?
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@SkepticalOne
And then there is communism - our time and energy collectively goes to maintaining and progressing the family.
And is this collectivism promoted by a "sense of duty" or by some perceived incentive like "you help us now and we'll help you later" ?
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@Athias
When an allowance is provided to a child it's usually a gift [communism] or an exchange for chores [capitalism].
That's a crucial distinction.
On the one hand, you're teaching your child that they are intrinsically valuable and you love them unconditionally.
On the other hand, you're teaching your child that they are only valuable if they perform labor.
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@Athias
Because you're not coercing a tax out of your children in order to finance said allowance and hospital visits.
Your own children (citizens) should not be a source of income.
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@Athias
Taxation which funds the UBI and UHC is codified with the threat of deadly force.
Taxation doesn't "fund" anything.
Taxation is merely a mechanism to control inflation.
A much more efficient way to control inflation would be to raise the mandatory reserve rate for banks.
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@Athias
The proper analogy would be some goons from a local mafia visiting a store clerk and charging a "fee for protection."
The government should be like a non-profit insurance company.
A capitalist government is like a for-profit insurance company.
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@Athias
Taking care of your family members, without regard for their ability to pay you back or return the favor in any way, appears to be a communist model.Why? Why would communism allow for gifts but Capitalism wouldn't?
In a capitalist framework, you only give things away for free, IFF THERE IS A LONG-TERM PROFIT INCENTIVE.
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@3RU7AL
And is this collectivism promoted by a "sense of duty" or by some perceived incentive like "you help us now and we'll help you later" ?
It could be either or both.
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@SkepticalOne
And is this collectivism promoted by a "sense of duty" or by some perceived incentive like "you help us now and we'll help you later" ?It could be either or both.
It still sounds a lot like communism.
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@3RU7AL
And is this collectivism promoted by a "sense of duty" or by some perceived incentive like "you help us now and we'll help you later" ?It could be either or both.It still sounds a lot like communism.
Agreed.