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i only trust myself

I dont believe that. Your in denial is my best guess.  By the way, new Netflix movie out called " The Comey Rule ". Very interesting stuff I never knew happen with Comey and Trump.
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People are inherently selfish, driven by a survival instinct.

Of course, we have immediate associates (family), who we perhaps have a great deal of faith in.


Just an observation of reality, so I'm not sure what it is that I am supposedly denying.

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Just an observation of reality, so I'm not sure what it is that I am supposedly denying.

Sorry Zed, that was not meant to imply you were denying anything.  Just letting you know ab  out the comey rule movie. Again sorry for tee confusion. My bad

I believe everyone trusts some one, sometimes in their lives, so that part was for 3Ru



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Capitalism is naked profit motive.
The profit motive is present in Capitalism, but why does this prevent charity?

Please explain.
In communism, the dissemination of goods and services is regulated by the State. It is political manifestation of socialism.

Choosing to "ignore" human suffering WHEN you can do SOMETHING to mitigate that suffering = denying that person's intrinsic value.
So this "intrinsic value" necessarily obligates me to "do something" as it concerns another's suffering, whether I'm a willful participant or not?

LOVE = COMMUNISM

SHARING RESOURCES AND OR SELF-SACRIFICE WITHOUT CONCERN FOR REWARD
Define love; define communism.

FAITH IN CREDIBLE THREAT
Whose faith?
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Why do I feel like I've heard this song in a Rocky movie?

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Define love; define communism.


Love is a more or less vague word, that we can apply to a variety of things.

And communism is a philosophers pipedream.

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And communism is a philosophers pipedream.
Assuming communism is impossible that hardly means we cannot or should not institute social programs that benefit humanity. Don't let the inability to have perfection be the enemy of incremental change for the better.
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Sure.

But.
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So this "intrinsic value" necessarily obligates me to "do something" as it concerns another's suffering, whether I'm a willful participant or not?
IF something(one) has intrinsic value THEN you will treat it/them as valuable. 

Your actions say far more than your words when it comes to which humans you find worthwhile. 
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Sure.

But.
Sure butt

Most people are in favor of child labor laws, weekends off, making a living wage, paid sick leave. These are all socialist initiatives. Socialism isn't the opposite of capitalism and in a much as capitalists are the enemy of socialism it is only in those areas where human suffering is profitable.
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Choosing to "ignore" human suffering WHEN you can do SOMETHING to mitigate that suffering = denying that person's intrinsic value.
So this "intrinsic value" necessarily obligates me to "do something" as it concerns another's suffering, whether I'm a willful participant or not?
No.

You are never "obligated".

(IFF) you can do something to mitigate human suffering (AND) you decide instead to buy yourself a private plane (THEN) you are denying the INTRINSIC VALUE of other humans

I'm not suggesting that humans are intrinsically valuable.

I'm not suggesting that humans are NOT intrinsically valuable.
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18 million dollars per missile launch

we could build at least 18 homes for that price
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No.

You are never "obligated".

(IFF) you can do something to mitigate human suffering (AND) you decide instead to buy yourself a private plane (THEN) you are denying the INTRINSIC VALUE of other humans
This would suggest that "a human's intrinsic value is only intrinsic value IFF his/her suffering warrants the participation of another in its mitigation." Why is intrinsic value bound by this standard?

I'm not suggesting that humans are intrinsically valuable.

I'm not suggesting that humans are NOT intrinsically valuable.
What you talkin' about, Willis?
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18 million dollars per missile launch

we could build at least 18 homes for that price
You won't get much argument from me, here. Wasting money is the hallmark of government.

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This would suggest that "a human's intrinsic value is only intrinsic value IFF his/her suffering warrants the participation of another in its mitigation." Why is intrinsic value bound by this standard?
It's not the ONLY measure.

It's more of a baseline.

Please suggest a counter-proposal (if you have one).
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It's not the ONLY measure.

It's more of a baseline.
Then "iff" cannot be used.

Please suggest a counter-proposal (if you have one).
I'd first like to understand the measure you proposed better. Why is intrinsic value based one's suffering being mitigated by the participation of others?


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Why is intrinsic value based one's suffering being mitigated by the participation of others?
What do you personally value ?
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What do you personally value ?
Self-expression.

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What do you personally value ?
Self-expression.
Do you need an audience for that ?
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Do you need an audience for that ?
No.