Abortion and covid

There is a great deal MORE assistance available to pregnant women than there is for not-pregnant women.

What are you proposing as "punishment" ??

So they're made up.

Of course.

But that's not the point. In Romans 13, rulers are to be extensions of God. Execution is described as a divine prerogative. Whether it's the "right judgement" is irrelevant.

Parents have a responsibility to raise their children (Deuteronomy 6:7)

That is not what the verse delineates. The verse delineates that parents teach the commandments to their children.

That is not what the fourth commandments states.

Individuals must care for their household, which includes parents caring for their childrens' needs (1 Timothy 5:8).

This is in specific reference to fathers who abandon their wives and children.

It is not only uncharitable but also inaccurate. First I wouldn't be "fine" with it; Second, throwing one's baby into a ditch would be harming the baby. And I neither endorse nor promote the harming of babies.

But expulsion is not the same as killing because the zygote/embryo/fetus dies as a consequence of its own incapacity.

A dark path? What dark path?

What are you proposing as "punishment" ??

I never proposed a punishment. I simply stated murder should be criminalized and punishable. But you failed to answer the question: Is criminalizing and punishing murder a way to help people or not?

There is a great deal MORE assistance available to pregnant women than there is for not-pregnant women.

You showed a few priorities that pregnant women get, but you also failed to answer the question: Do you believe pro-lifers are completely uninvolved in these other charitable activities?

What exactly is your point in post #296? Are you saying the government doesn't need tax dollars because they can just print money?

The current system of "punishment" is demonstrably counter productive.

Sure, some of them probably are involved with other charity work, 

• "The main 'problem' is that after the child is born, women are kicked out of the 'we want to help you' circle."

I'm suggesting you're projecting your perfectly rational understanding of how a working-class person handles their finances onto the government, and that's only a fair comparison if that working-class person has a 100% legal money printing machine at their disposal.

Sure, some of them probably are involved with other charity work, 

This was your original statement:

• "The main 'problem' is that after the child is born, women are kicked out of the 'we want to help you' circle."
  

However, you have agreed that pro-lifers are also involved in charitable services to people in all walks of life, not just trying to save the unborn.

The current system of "punishment" is demonstrably counter productive.

Did God give Israel the power of the sword in the Old Testament law? Whose hand actually put people to death?

I was using the term raise in a general sense to show that parents have a responsibility to their children.

If you don't like that, see Ephesians 6:1. Children have an explicitly stated responsibility to obey their parents.

So you agree the verse makes clear fathers have a responsibility not to abandon their children?

Alright, so you don't see it as a morally wrong to nicely set the baby in a ditch?

Just like nicely setting a baby in the ditch isn't "killing" it.

The dark path where you justify killing babies of any age,

leaving your child out in a ditch to die is killing it.

I'm suggesting you're projecting your perfectly rational understanding of how a working-class person handles their finances onto the government, and that's only a fair comparison if that working-class person has a 100% legal money printing machine at their disposal.

So the government doesn't need tax dollars because they can just print money? That's your argument?

Do I need to explain how babies are made?

Then God is ultimately responsible.

Really? Well that's news to me.

I'm not questioning who or what carries out the execution; how can a corrupt government exercise a divine prerogative?

You're equating "leaving a child to its own devices" to "leaving it in a ditch."

They're moved to the front of the line when pregnant, and then moved back to the middle or end of the line when they're not.

The smaller the child, the more inexplicably important it is to the charity workers.

Before you start jumping to conclusions, please explain what you believe would be more effective than incarceration.

So the government doesn't need tax dollars because they can just print money? That's your argument?

More specifically, the treasury prints bonds and they trade the bonds for dollars (cartel notes) in a private auction.

you need to explain the connection between having sex and being responsible for ensuring that an early stage fetus develops into a fully functioning human being.

I don’t know why. As far as I can tell you believe God is the all powerful all knowing supreme ruler of the universe and yet isn’t responsible for what happens within it. Tell me how that works.

I don’t know why. As far as I can tell you believe God is the all powerful all knowing supreme ruler of the universe and yet isn’t responsible for what happens within it. Tell me how that works.

God is not culpable for my bad decisions. Do you blame others for your bad decisions?

I have an opinion but that is irrelevant.

you accept that there are pro-lifers involved in different charitable organizations

The question is not what punishment would be effective to reduce crime. The question is whether we should even punish crime. I say yes, criminals should be punished under the law. That is justice. You seem to be saying no, criminals should not be punished. But please explain if I am jumping to conclusions.

More specifically, the treasury prints bonds and they trade the bonds for dollars (cartel notes) in a private auction.

Perfect. I'll just leave that one there.

If you were flying in a brand new plane and the plane's wings suddenly fell off and you somehow survived the crash, would you perhaps blame the manufacturer ?

you accept that there are pro-lifers involved in different charitable organizations

Yes, for the third time.

• "The main 'problem' is that after the child is born, women are kicked out of the 'we want to help you' circle."
  

I have an opinion but that is irrelevant.

This statement scuttles our entire conversation.

I'm glad you agree.

If you were flying in a brand new plane and the plane's wings suddenly fell off and you somehow survived the crash, would you perhaps blame the manufacturer ?

That a bad analogy. The wings are not moral agents, the people inside are. A better one would be that while flying in the brand new plane, I tied up the pilot, pressed random buttons, smashed all the controls, and then tried to blame the manufacturer because the plane crashed. Would I be right to blame the manufacturer for my actions?

you accept that there are pro-lifers involved in different charitable organizations

Yes, for the third time.

Yet, you made this argument:

• "The main 'problem' is that after the child is born, women are kicked out of the 'we want to help you' circle."
  

So can you admit this is a fallacious argument against these same pro-lifers who are involved in other charities?

Now could you please clearly explain what you think is the most efficient mechanism to reduce crime?

Oh I don't agree at all. You said that the government doesn't need our tax dollars because they can essentially just print more money. I find that to be a ridiculous statement that can stand on its own.

WHO MADE THE MALFUNCTIONING HUMAN ?

YOU'VE COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT.

WHY THE **** DO UNBORN BABIES AND TINY CHILDREN GET PRIORITY TREATMENT ?

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

WHO MADE THE MALFUNCTIONING HUMAN ?

God. Did God make humans to be inanimate objects or automatons? Or did He create humans as moral agents who are culpable for their moral decisions?

that pro-lifers essentially don't care about people