Left Wing want all have a chance to succeed. Right Wing prefer it only for a select few.

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Joe Biden: "If you have a problem... you ain't black." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhcgmwj3NAc


Since Biden's mantra was that Trump was limiting blacks, he was telling them they were limited. Further, you'll recall his campaign comment of Blacks being nondiverse,

so, apparently all Blacks who voted for Trump, at least, are limited. And, meanwhile, he has favored keeping kids, including Blacks, out of school for a year. You asked.
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That first quote is an unnecessary misquote? He said if you don't vote for him you aint black, at least quote his ridiculous quote correctly.

Biden is an extremely centrist politician, barely Left-Wing at all on the spectrum. However, I ask you to explain how even that quite implied he didn't want equal opportunities for all to succeed 

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You have the full quote in my citation. Must I repeat it for you? No, I think not. That's your argument?  Succeed. You mean like saying if some have an accent, the best you'll see is a 7-11 clerk? REALLY? When are you going to admit that this guy is an empty-headed buffoon hoiw has lost the mind he never had?

Jill said he was centrist, but she's not a credible, unbiased witness. I look at Joe's own career as a politician - a long career. I pont to his many historic comments, including embracing the KKK. How limiting was [is?] that organization?
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These are the facts. You can now proceed to spread your lies.
Actually, neither wing wants anyone to succeed. Politicians thrive on over-dependence. But if this is truer for any party, it would be the Left-Wing. They thrive on poverty and dysfunction. They'll make lofty yet empty promises, all while claiming that they are separate from those whom they've convinced you are villainous. The Left-Wing has convinced their base that it's ideal to live in serfdom.
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If your talking about government in general, typically, the right-wing is much more authoritarian than the left...
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If your talking about government in general, typically, the right-wing is much more authoritarian than the left...
The government is authoritarian. Left-Wing, Right-Wing, merely extends this authoritarianism. I'm not particularly interested in engaging a discussion over which side is more authoritarian, only the concept of who wants whom to do "better" or to "succeed." And the left-wing exploits poverty far more.
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And by exploit do you mean tries to seek an end to it? Because aside from that I don't get what you're insinuating their bud.
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How does the Left Wing exploit poverty more than the Right Wing?
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Actually, neither wing wants anyone to succeed. Politicians thrive on over-dependence.
No, they don't. The less competent their nation is, the worse the nation they're leading and thriving in is. Thriving in a street brawl isn't usually better than being mediocre in a fancy arena.
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But if this is truer for any party, it would be the Left-Wing. They thrive on poverty and dysfunction. 
Expand on what this means please.
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Do you see the KKK as left-wing? 
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What do you think motivates someone to be right wing? What even IS right wing by your definition? Not trying to trip you up, genuinely curious 
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The core right-wing stance, from the right-winger's perspective is that we are in a merciless, ruthless world where only the strongest survive.

They go on from concluding that to basically seeing everything through that lens and either try to embrace it with what they conclude is absolute meritocracy or try to fight against it in the sense of seeing all in any position of power as corrupt, unless they use that position of power to corrupt things in favour of the interest groups and/or policies that that right-winger cares about.

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California and New York have had 50 years to let all "succeed"

Instead, they are the highest GINI value for inequality in the country. Bunch of retards that follow them so blindly.
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California and New York have had 50 years to let all "succeed"

Instead, they are the highest GINI value for inequality in the country. 
Yes, in America, a Right-Wing nation where the "Left Wing" is centrist and even Right-Leaning compared to other highly developed nations, especially Social Democracies, the most productive States have the highest amount of poverty. I wonder why that is? Couldn't be an ossue with federal-enforced policy or lack thereof? Has to be the States' fault right?


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I know you're going to tell me that White Supremacists were the core of the KKK, which formulated first in TN in 1866, and spread throughout the South. It does not take much digging to determine that White Supremacists, in the South, in the 19th century, were not Republicans, and really do not represent core Conservative values today. So, yes, the KKK is, was, and will be left wing.

Further, more in keeping with the thrust of your string, Isn't it curious that for all the bluster of the left being the harbinger of success for all, the left's embrace of socialism really does benefit only the few, the prideful, at the top of the pyramid, yet those at the top produce very little but for themselves, because it is simple to observe that socialist elites do not know how to produce for the benefit of all by providing jobs. Nobody poor makes jobs. I've never worked for a poor person. I've become well to do by people who had it, themselves. I'm nobody; I came out of middle class, in which my father grew, and taught me how to grow. I have taught my children the easy to learn, but often difficult to realize simple steps: ambition, planning, and execution, with one overarching principle: personal responsibility.
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The KKK only backed the Democrats because it was GOP in power and they wanted anarchy to let them do as they pleased with their barbaric practices.

The Democrat Party did never ever reward them. From the moment after Lincoln where the first chance came, Dems did everything towards assisting the Civil Rights movement. Lincoln was racist, by the way, he just was pragmatic and realised too many sympathised with slaves so he saw it as strategic to side against the South at the time.

The South generally supports which party ever since then?

Funny that, isn't it?

All, yes all, white supremacists vote Republican post-Lincoln, do you deny it? Prove me wrong.
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produce for the benefit of all by providing jobs. Nobody poor makes jobs. I've never worked for a poor person
... Well some lower-middle class people can own convenience stores and then hire others, or own a small garage where they hire mechanics. Those are some examples.
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And by exploit do you mean tries to seek an end to it?
No.

Because aside from that I don't get what you're insinuating their bud.
I did not "insinuate." I explicitly stated that they exploit poverty far more than the right wing.


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The KKK only backed the Democrats because it was GOP in power and they wanted anarchy to let them do as they pleased with their barbaric practices.
In the 19th century? The GOP was hardly in power in the South, then. And the R-Party in the South eschews the KKK today, and always have.
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Let me be clear - how does the left-wing exploit poverty? Because it just seems to me that you have a bias - you know - talking about specific things applied to an entire political ideology, and ya know - not a general concept. 
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I know that, that's the only reason Lincoln sided with the North.
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How does the Left Wing exploit poverty more than the Right Wing?
They specifically design programs geared towards the poor under the banner that the "rich aren't giving their fair share," all while the money they seek to finance said programs ultimately becomes the obligation of those whom these programs are allegedly implemented to help. It's a trick. The poor are more immobile and thereby more susceptible to these debt-obligations. New York and California are prime examples of this, as Greyparrot mentioned. These sub-standard programs which don't really invest, but subsidize and transfer to those working in diminishing sectors, or those not even working at all, in the end foots the recipients with the bill. Not to mention the incentives behind these empty promises: they can blame the right wing as the reasons these programs aren't successful all while depending on their poverty to solicit their votes.


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And the R-Party in the South eschews the KKK today, and always have.
Bullcrap, your most recent leader even called Proud Boys decent people.
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Couldn't be an issue with federal-enforced policy or lack thereof? Has to be the States' fault right?
There is only one issue. 50 years of uncontested Democrat rule where the party of the rich was allowed to prosper at the expense of the poor. The 3rd world inequality in New York and California didn't happen all at once. It took 50 years for the monopoly party to do it.

The highest GINI inequality in the entire nation and under solid Democrat control in the State Legislature for 50 years despite a smattering of a rare few leftist Republican governors that might have helped for very small periods.
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It's not a trick. When it's absent you get the tier of poverty that nations like Ethiopia see.
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What does that have to do without anything? If the old Democrat Party were posers who were actually Right-Wing what the fuck does that have to do with this topic?
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No, they don't. The less competent their nation is, the worse the nation they're leading and thriving in is.
Except the nation's thriving isn't as important as the "idea" of the nation's thriving in politics. The U.S. for example is not "thriving."

Thriving in a street brawl isn't usually better than being mediocre in a fancy arena.
I don't get the analogy.


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According to Wikipedia, Utah has the least inequality in all of America. 

I guess those conservative Mormons know how to keep the rich in check and keep their poor wealthy unlike the asshats in California and New York.