Debate Mafia DP1

Hi everyone, busy morning but I'll be on in a few hours to share thoughts,

Claim dawg

There really isn't much behavioral reads to go off of at this point in time so don't think I can give reads, I think the only one is spreading seems like a weird claim at the moment but I want to see what everyone's claim is.

As for how to manage this game, I think there are some important elements we need to keep in mind.

First of all, the lack of flips is going to make things difficult, since it means we can't track how many scum are likely left in the game between votes. The game is set up in such a way that eliminating town members is almost a given, since I don't think we have more than three scum and there will be four eliminations in DP2 alone. So, we're going to be heavily reliant on whatever investigative data we can get while players are alive, though we don't know how much scum have to manipulate those results.

Second, the private vote submissions could complicate things. Aside from today where votes to eliminate and nominate will be public, future DPs will only have private votes cast by every player. Scum members will vote as a bloc and there won't be a way to determine that they're doing that after this DP. As such, I think town needs to be mostly aligned this game on elimination choices, especially since scum apparently get to pick in the event of a tie, something that could very well happen with an even number of players voting. At the very least, everyone should avoid submitting early votes unless there's widespread agreement, since apparently you cannot change a vote after it has been submitted.

As for who to nominate this DP, I'm liking both Vader's behavior and his role claim (Solvency seems like a no-brainer in a Debate Mafia game and would be a very ballsy fake claim, and I like the method he has planned to verify it since I have a hard time believing scum somehow have a way to manipulate a role like this), so he would be my choice for a nomination atm.

It means if we make all our decisions randomly and there are 2 mafia, town has a 75% chance of winning. If there are 3 mafia, town has a 63% chance of winning.

VTN Vader for claim

My biggest concern is with dead townies not being aligned. Maybe we all agree that dead town will vote along with majority of living players?

I mean their votes not aligning with town leading to ties

Or with each other I mean

I guess there's always that risk, though whether town players are alive or dead, they should recognize the need to align town votes for their own benefit. Being dead this game doesn't give you a reason to tap out and ignore the DP thread.

Yeah if I was in minority I'd probably align myself with majority just because living players being aligned is less risk to town.

Like once the dp is about to end that is.

VTL EARTH FOR CLAIM

I am the Ballot.

Thank you, now popcorn someone

I'll go since Earth didn't popcorn someone. I am cross-examination.  

Honestly, Vader seems pretty solidly towny to me. Hard for me to see a good reason not to nominate him. 

Cool, now choose someone else to go next. 

I would like Wylted's claim next

Tag

I'll nominate Vader. 

Vader - Solvency - Strategist - part of the debate

Bullish stands out because of that but that seems to obvious of a theme split IMO. I know we asked for quick claims relatively fast and he could be telling the truth. I also think his approach when he came is seemed kinda townie and honestly from the last Austin game. Still the claim is off but I think there's too little to make a genuine town/scum read 

VTL WyIted for claim.

How bold is Luna of a scum player?

I don't know whether to town read this or consider it incredibly scummy. I'm leaning towards the ladder.