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I'm inclined to agree with this. Three scum seems like the natural balance for this particular setup. Five scum is right out. 
Hey, another Holy Grail fan. Come, we will feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas!

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Hey, another Holy Grail fan. Come, we will feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas!
I've actually only seen the movie one time, though my family (and my dad in particular) was always quoting it. I found the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch bit in particular to be quite memorable. The whole "thou shalt not wait two seconds, thou shalt not wait four seconds" stuck with me just because there are genuinely so many passages in the old testament that are actually written just like that. And then the line "five is right out"... Perfect comedic timing. 
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I've actually only seen the movie one time, though my family (and my dad in particular) was always quoting it. I found the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch bit in particular to be quite memorable. The whole "thou shalt not wait two seconds, thou shalt not wait four seconds" stuck with me just because there are genuinely so many passages in the old testament that are actually written just like that. And then the line "five is right out"... Perfect comedic timing. 
I've seen it over a dozen times and it's become a badge of honor for my family to basically be able to quote the whole thing from memory. Personally most fond of the Peasant Dennis scene just because that conversation is so ridiculous and goes on for so long that it just gets me every time. The Holy Hand Grenade is a close second.

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I've seen it over a dozen times and it's become a badge of honor for my family to basically be able to quote the whole thing from memory.
For me and my family, the movie we can all practically recite from memory is Hoodwinked. If you haven't heard of it, it's an indie animated movie from the mid-00s. The animation itself is pretty bad even for the time it was made, but if you can get past that, the writing is great. So many quotable lines. Unfortunately, it never got a sequel. I know that IMDB and Wikipedia say that there's a movie called "Hoodwinked Too: Hood vs Evil", but it's all just an elaborate hoax. There is no sequel to Hoodwinked.
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For me and my family, the movie we can all practically recite from memory is Hoodwinked. If you haven't heard of it, it's an indie animated movie from the mid-00s. The animation itself is pretty bad even for the time it was made, but if you can get past that, the writing is great. 
I'm only familiar with that one in the abstract, but I love to hear about the niche movies families glom onto and quote endlessly. Finding good writing in the strangest of places is always great, too.
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There is a movie called "poor white trash" with Jamie Presley that me and my gang would watch every other day. Also office space for some reason. They would watch kids which I hated so I made myself scarce during that stupid movie. I think it's only enjoyable when you are high and I never got high .
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Poor white trash was definitely the most frequent movie we watched though. 

I don't think the movie ever got popular so I am not sure if it would be easy to find. Kids does have a large cult following but I wouldn't recommend that one.
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Interesting idea. I can see that being the split, though the problem with this kind of theme split analysis is that you have to assume that at least one member of the scum team did not fake their character claim, and that more often than not does not happen. That's the problem with theme analysis when you don't have are least one scum flip. 
If we’re in agreement that there are 3 scum, it’s best to look for themes where 7 people fit and 3 people don’t. Unless scum know the theme right away, they probably didn’t have time to search up a fake claim. And if they did, it’s going to be hard for them to align to their role. I’m borderline thinking we should all just mass claim, but I’ll hold off on that at this moment. I’m generally uncomfortable with the idea of a mass claim to start with
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I am the 2x vote revealer. At any point during the day or night, I can choose a match and receive the vote for that match. The justification is that the ballot contains the reason for decision along with a tally of the vote for that debate.
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If we’re in agreement that there are 3 scum, it’s best to look for themes where 7 people fit and 3 people don’t. Unless scum know the theme right away, they probably didn’t have time to search up a fake claim. And if they did, it’s going to be hard for them to align to their role. 
Noted, though it's also worth pointing out that Austin said in the signups thread that there would be a fakeclaim mechanic known only to scum. 
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I am the 2x vote revealer. At any point during the day or night, I can choose a match and receive the vote for that match. The justification is that the ballot contains the reason for decision along with a tally of the vote for that debate.
I can believe that tbh. Would be a pretty bold claim if fake. 
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Yeah I feel like that role probably puts Earth in my town pile. I can't see any scum utility to that role at all so I'm leaning town on Earth
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Okay Earth is town
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I’m seriously contemplating a mass full claim in reverse order 
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Damn there goes my theory 

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I don't like the ideal of a mass claim after seeing what earth revealed. That is something where we can have a lot of confidence in a lynch and I wouldn't be surprised if we have more roles that can give us a lot of confidence that a lynch is scum and if we put these people up as easy pickings for the scum team than it will give us less confidence in our lynch choices
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Elimination:

Wylted (1/6): Owen

About 26 hours remain in the DP.

Reminder from OP:

If the deadline has been reached without a majority, then whoever has the most votes will be chosen. In the event of a tie, mafia privately pick who wins the tie.


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I don't like the ideal of a mass claim after seeing what earth revealed. That is something where we can have a lot of confidence in a lynch and I wouldn't be surprised if we have more roles that can give us a lot of confidence that a lynch is scum and if we put these people up as easy pickings for the scum team than it will give us less confidence in our lynch choices
Scum only get 1NK. And we just need a solid town block of 4 people
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I am the 2x vote revealer. At any point during the day or night, I can choose a match and receive the vote for that match. The justification is that the ballot contains the reason for decision along with a tally of the vote for that debate.
tf? I thought all match votes are revealled
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is the vote revealed to just yourself or everyone?
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Okay I am figuring out the rules as we go. If we can get 4 town reads out of it than I am down but we need some discussion on this before deciding.
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There is a movie called "poor white trash" with Jamie Presley that me and my gang would watch every other day. Also office space for some reason. They would watch kids which I hated so I made myself scarce during that stupid movie. I think it's only enjoyable when you are high and I never got high .
Never watched Poor White Trash, but I'll have to add it to the list. I'm a fan of Office Space.
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I am the 2x vote revealer. At any point during the day or night, I can choose a match and receive the vote for that match. The justification is that the ballot contains the reason for decision along with a tally of the vote for that debate.
Interesting. It's odd that the ballot isn't revealed publicly, since that would fit the role better, but I guess that would make this game-breaking since it would publicly reveal a potential scum block. This makes a lot of sense to have in the game from Austin's perspective since it makes each vote a gamble for scum, particularly if they decide to align with one another.

Anyway, I townread this as well. Particularly given my role, I have good reason to believe that one like yours would exist.

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I’m borderline thinking we should all just mass claim, but I’ll hold off on that at this moment. I’m generally uncomfortable with the idea of a mass claim to start with
I'm uncomfortable with it as well, since it might neuter town's ability to act without manipulation during the NP. There's value in getting that information now, but I don't think it's worth the loss of role utility.
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So who r we lynching?
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is the vote revealed to just yourself or everyone?
I assume just myself, but I asked Austin to clarify.
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I don't have a good pick. I'd like to see more from Savant, since he hasn't posted in a while.
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Austin got back to me. Only I see the revealed ballot. 
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Since you still get to vote after death does anybody want to admit having a useless role and volunteer to be lynched . This might be a unique situation where a volunteer is best, despite the fact volunteering also pretty much town confirms the person