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@Mharman
I did not mean to ping you in the above message. 

Anyway, here’s a question: Does your info have information on another player? I may or may not be willing to back off depending on your answer.
Why do you care so much? I’m going to reveal it by the time the DP ends. There’s zero town benefit for me to tell it right now
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@Vader
Something about that feels odd. I have a gut feeling Casey going straight to Pie and then Mharman coming onto Pie within the hour. I don't like it and it's not because I think they are lynching the wrong person, but just feels staged. 
Casey’s MO doesn’t feel off. I dislike Mharman more. He’s just buddying Casey and obsessed with what information I might how. And he was trying to play both sides with respect to his read on Owen.
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I disagree. Scum Pie actively (and successfully) pushed Savant in DP1 of UPick Mafia and also aggressively pushed Moozer during DP1 of Mayday Mafia. This is absolutely in line with his scum play, and that's why I don't like it.
You’re forgetting that my behavior is NAI 99% of the time. Your tell here is not part of the 1%. Forget about Banana for a second. What are your thoughts on Mharman trying to play both sides for Owen and joining you immediately after you voted. Oh and also the obsession over the information I have.
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@Casey_Risk
That wasn't a mere molehill. GP's claim was inherently very sus, and his behavior only hurt his case further. Plus, he had a bona fide scum slip by the end of the day.
His role was, but you voted for him after the ChatGPT thing

That's better reasoning, but you have to consider that this is Wylted we're talking about here. A long diary entry about the Israel-Hamas conflict is hardly inexplicable. I don't think scum Banana would likely choose to make herself stand out in that way.
If that’s the case, why hasn’t he done that for anyone else. As for whether she would do that as scum or not, she’s only played scum once, and I caught her that game DP1. She’s still a noob
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Luna's and Pie's tunnel vision is definitely weird. At least Pie is generally aggressive. If this behavior out of the ordinary of Luna?
Where do you think I’m tunnel reading? I have you in my scum pool too
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You’re forgetting that my behavior is NAI 99% of the time.
That's not true. Behavior is how you catch people in this game. I knew you were sus from your behavior at the end of DP1 of Mayday Mafia, but I didn't stick to my guns, which I still regret slightly, although the town won that game anyway. The fact that you're telling me NOT to pay attention to your behavior and look elsewhere is inherently very scummy. 

What are your thoughts on Mharman trying to play both sides for Owen and joining you immediately after you voted. Oh and also the obsession over the information I have.
I didn't see him as try to play both sides for Owen. He was being very open and transparent about his thought process, as he does as town. Owen is a null read for reasons he has clearly explained. Also, he's been consistent about his scumreads, and the fact that he voted for you doesn't strike me as odd, especially given how he's made it clear he still suspects Luna more. As for considering the information you (supposedly) have, it's cost-benefit analysis. 
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Does anyone else think it's SUPER sus how Pie is telling me not to look at his behavior? 
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Casey’s MO doesn’t feel off. I dislike Mharman more.
Okay, so your scum pool consists of everyone who is suspicious of you?
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@Casey_Risk
That's not true. Behavior is how you catch people in this game. I knew you were sus from your behavior at the end of DP1 of Mayday Mafia, but I didn't stick to my guns, which I still regret slightly, although the town won that game anyway. The fact that you're telling me NOT to pay attention to your behavior and look elsewhere is inherently very scummy. 
And when I flip town, you’re going to be like wow, it really was NAI. There’s a reason why people can’t read me, especially those who have been playing for a while. I didn’t say stop looking at my behavior, you’re entitled to your opinion. I asked you about your thoughts on Mharman.

I didn't see him as try to play both sides for Owen. He was being very open and transparent about his thought process, as he does as town. Owen is a null read for reasons he has clearly explained. Also, he's been consistent about his scumreads, and the fact that he voted for you doesn't strike me as odd, especially given how he's made it clear he still suspects Luna more. As for considering the information you (supposedly) have, it's cost-benefit analysis.
You sure love activism against me. It’s admirable that you’re being an activist, but I’m literally town.
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Okay, so your scum pool consists of everyone who is suspicious of you?
Since when is Banana sus of me?
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@ILikePie5
I think you should claim
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@Owen_T
I think you should claim
Explain in your own words why I should claim?
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And when I flip town, you’re going to be like wow, it really was NAI. There’s a reason why people can’t read me, especially those who have been playing for a while. I didn’t say stop looking at my behavior, you’re entitled to your opinion. I asked you about your thoughts on Mharman.
This is such a scummy response lol. No, you didn't use the exact words "stop looking at my behavior", but you did tell me that you couldn't be read based on your behavior and directed my attention elsewhere. That's basically the same thing. It's also not true that people can't read you. I correctly identified you as scum based on behavior during Mayday Mafia as I've already said. Luna also caught you at the end of DP1 of UPick Mafia. Remember this?

Look at pie trying to set up future mislynches. That logic like just made savant look so town to me. Pie is 100% leading a mislynch and trying to set me up for a mislynch tomorrow. That logic is so so bad
Luna was 100% right here. Your logic is bad when you are scum. That's why I sus you, and that's why you're trying to steer the conversation away from your reasoning on Banana.

You sure love activism against me. It’s admirable that you’re being an activist, but I’m literally town.
This statement is actually pretty ironic in this particular game, lol. You'll see why later. 
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I have to do some work but I'm going to come back to the DP
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@Casey_Risk
This is such a scummy response lol. No, you didn't use the exact words "stop looking at my behavior", but you did tell me that you couldn't be read based on your behavior and directed my attention elsewhere.
It’s actually true, when you see my flip.

That's basically the same thing. It's also not true that people can't read you. I correctly identified you as scum based on behavior during Mayday Mafia as I've already said. Luna also caught you at the end of DP1 of UPick Mafia. Remember this?
I quit in Mayday Mafia. And idr Luna using that behavior in UPick. Anyways that’s besides the point.

Luna was 100% right here. Your logic is bad when you are scum. That's why I sus you, and that's why you're trying to steer the conversation away from your reasoning on Banana.
You’re ignoring all the times my “bad logic” got a townie lynched. Earth and Austin come to mind recently. Like I said, it’s NAI.

This statement is actually pretty ironic in this particular game, lol. You'll see why later.
I know it’s ironic, that’s why I said it, you just don’t get it.
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I quit in Mayday Mafia. And idr Luna using that behavior in UPick. Anyways that’s besides the point.
You quit at the beginning of DP3. I had a strong sus on you starting at the end of DP1. And if all this is bedsides the point, then what is the point you're trying to make anyway?

You’re ignoring all the times my “bad logic” got a townie lynched. Earth and Austin come to mind recently. Like I said, it’s NAI.
Austin was a special case since if he was town after all, GP would just revive him and he'd be confirmed townie, plus he'd lose his negative utility status. Not to mention, his claim to have been doing a reaction test and his pivot to Savant were pretty sus on their own. Earth also made himself a target by claiming to be a DP3 Informed Townie, which is itself a pretty sus claim. So yes, obviously you aren't always correct as town. I never said you were. The difference is that in those games, your reasoning was not bad, it was merely wrong. There's a difference.

I know it’s ironic, that’s why I said it, you just don’t get it.
Now that's interesting. That does actually make me reconsider things a bit.
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You quit at the beginning of DP3. I had a strong sus on you starting at the end of DP1. And if all this is bedsides the point, then what is the point you're trying to make anyway?
My point is that my “bad logic” has led to mislynches when I’m town too.

Austin was a special case since if he was town after all, GP would just revive him and he'd be confirmed townie, plus he'd lose his negative utility status. Not to mention, his claim to have been doing a reaction test and his pivot to Savant were pretty sus on their own. Earth also made himself a target by claiming to be a DP3 Informed Townie, which is itself a pretty sus claim. So yes, obviously you aren't always correct as town. I never said you were. The difference is that in those games, your reasoning was not bad, it was merely wrong. There's a difference.
Good vs bad is your opinion. You can’t determine right vs wrong until endgame. Even if Austin and Earth didn’t screw themselves over, my logic was “bad” and you should’ve pursued me. 

Now that's interesting. That does actually make me reconsider things a bit.
Why’s it interesting. I was trying to be ironic.
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Good vs bad is your opinion. You can’t determine right vs wrong until endgame. Even if Austin and Earth didn’t screw themselves over, my logic was “bad” and you should’ve pursued me. 
I was the mod in the game where you pursued Earth and I was scum in the game where you pursued Austin, who I also wanted to lynch (in retrospect, we probably should have gone for Savant instead). In any case, it's like I just said -- your reasoning ended up being wrong in those games, but I don't think it was bad.

Like, one thing I've noticed about Mharman is that he tends to reason quite openly and be very transparent about his thoughts, but in Inheritance Cycle, he seemed to do that a bit less from my recollection -- not saying as much and letting the town fight itself. The problem is that as scum, you know who is town and thus can generally see the reasons to townread anybody, which makes coming up with solid reasons to scumread someone harder. Townies don't have to fake their scumreads. Mharman copes with this by posting less. You cope with this by trying to find small problems with townies and making them out to be bigger than they really are. That's where what I consider to be bad logic comes into play. You're right that it is largely based on opinion, but to me, it's meaningful. It's why I sus both you and Luna -- your reads on Banana don't feel genuine to me.

Why’s it interesting. I was trying to be ironic.
I thought it was evidence you actually knew something after all, supporting your softclaim. Apparently not.
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Like, one thing I've noticed about Mharman is that he tends to reason quite openly and be very transparent about his thoughts, but in Inheritance Cycle, he seemed to do that a bit less from my recollection -- not saying as much and letting the town fight itself. The problem is that as scum, you know who is town and thus can generally see the reasons to townread anybody, which makes coming up with solid reasons to scumread someone harder. Townies don't have to fake their scumreads. Mharman copes with this by posting less. You cope with this by trying to find small problems with townies and making them out to be bigger than they really are. That's where what I consider to be bad logic comes into play. You're right that it is largely based on opinion, but to me, it's meaningful. It's why I sus both you and Luna -- your reads on Banana don't feel genuine to me.
And that’s your opinion again. If I turn out to be town, which I will, then you’ll be wrong.

I thought it was evidence you actually knew something after all, supporting your softclaim. Apparently not.
You’re not taking the hint 🤦‍♂️
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Looking at the posts and looking how recent scum Pie played, sorry Casey I am going to have to disagree with the statement you make about Pie being aggressive as scum. To be clear, he is always pretty aggressive but he ends to wean off in DP1 before going full force in the following DP's. Pie also as scum tends to speak very much in a way that's non answer. I've noticed maybe 1 or 2 at the beginning but then after he seems keen to focus in on his reads. This just feels like a typical Pie town. I also know Pie is a hardass. If he's not gonna claim, he won't claim. In a game like this, I feel like it would relatively easy to make a fake claim looking at how things are playing out so far. This also just fits the meta of Pie. Really hard to see him as anything but town despite me disagreeing with his analysis on Banana.
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anything but a town read* #231, not one should be fully town
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I also think Casey is a town read at the moment too. I really don't feel like Casey puts all the effort into going back and forth with Pie as scum defending Banana. If there scum I feel like Casey is probably going to just tiptoe around the point to try and not draw attention versus actively arguing with someone over it. Hence I think Casey is a town read for me as well at the moment
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I’m behind after a couple of meetings in a row and some extensive housework. I’ll catch up and post thoughts on the last few pages soon enough, sorry for the delay.
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Savant - null
Greyparrot - null / slight town
lunatic - null / fos
Pie - slight town
Casey - slight town
Mharman - fos
Earth  - null
Owen  - null
Banana - null
Joebob -null
Austin - null
Barney - null
Whiteflame - null / slight town


Not a definitive list and I could obviously put some more null into lean towns or FoS's, but I don't have strong enough reads to do that yet. These are just my preliminary thoughts that I have pointed and I want to wait until there is a few more who are fully active to make my reads a bit more comprehensive


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Why do you FOS Mharman and Luna?
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LOL @ the OMGUS
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LOL @ the OMGUS
I’m not afraid of OMGUS :)
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I've stated the reason I have an FoS on Mharman is because I didn't like the way he went digging for role information so early on. Yes he snap corrected but I still am not a huge fan. Plus I just the way he hopped onto to your lynch so fast urked me the wrong way. Seemed like it was a bit opportunistic. It's nothing more than a FoS because I think he's putting a lot of thought into his justifications and reasoning but I can't get those two things out of my stomach

Luna has an FoS because I feel like he sort of pushed this narrative of Banana's role early on and wanted it to gardner attention and then kind of has taken a back seat and let you do the dirty work. I mean I'm looking at the DP and he is the one that first went after Banana but then backed off when you started forcing it harder, sort of like he was setting you up for you to charge a mislynch so he can use that as a way to lynch u next DP.

These are weak reads though and nothing that I'd be confident voting on. 
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We have 14 people, and scum benefit the longer we drag this on. The deadline is fast approaching. I think we should get a few claims at the very least.