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Listen. I have hated basically all of your behavior thus far. Casey, seems to have pause in you. Over what, I’m not sure. But if it’s enough to flip a scumread on you to neutrality… I’m willing to explore other options.

I do have one question. Barney raised the idea of 3P… I don’t like his specific choice of a 3P pick, but I did find that GP’a claim could align with a 3P cultist. 

What do you think are the odds of third party?
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So we have about 24 hours left into this Dayphase. The vote count is looking to be to be favoring a Pie lynch. I will not be hopping on this wagon. Frankily I think Mharman is dead wrong about Pie. Pie was obviously putting emphasis on Banana but they aren't inherently pushing a lynch or a scum read. He had a read but wasn't forcing town into a lynch. I think Mharman is blowing this out of porportion and I think there are better candidates than Pie. I used the UPick Mafia as reference to see if I see any patterns and I do not see any commonalities between Pie here and Pie in this game. Pie isn't pressuring hard about Owen's claim and him not really full claiming. He is focusing more on the behavior analysis then diving into roles and mechanics. Even in Bo Burnham when you look at who Pie was pressuring (ironically banana), it came down to behavior analysis and keen in on focusing on that behavior until WF claimed bomb. I think voting Pie is a waste at this moment

So who should we vote Vader? Well if you were to ask me, I believe there is a great benefit to lynching someone who has flown under the radar in this game. In a game dominated by two people going at it and lengthy posts, hiding under the radar and drawing null could be your best chance at outliving town. So I think here is my list of who I think we should lynch

I think Savant would be my top choice to lynch if I had to choose. I've seen some behavioral oddities from this DP that I usually don't see from him in games. I point out a few examples
1. His lack of engagement in the DP
- Savant is someone that even when he's lynched and sometimes just bad reads, he always is keen to ensure town know what his reads are and what his stance is on certain players is whether he town reads them or scum reads
 
2. Eagerness to hunt a lynch versus behavior
- Savant in this DP when he does gives reads, is hunting to "get a lynch" and get someone out. He is not doing enough behavior analytics and almost seems like he's going with what the most popular trend is for a lynch train
       - When I confronted him about it, he just said "that's not going to get us anywhere"

3. Lurking-ish behavior
- Compared to recent games I have played with Savant, he seems to have taken a much deeper backseat in analyzing this game and hardly posting despite being online

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My second choice would probably be JoeBob

Despite JoeBob being online and having some experience, it seems that Joe is failing to make critical reads and just posts 1 off comments. I am not sure whether or not that is his style of play, but I have seen him put a lot more insight and analysis into games than he has here. The only reason he isn't ahead of Savant because I think he is just returning to a massive game and I think he could just be adapting to the game structure and he hasn't done any criminal other than lurking around

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Additionally, I will add that one of my questions to you was kinda silly cause your answer was a given. I’ll let you cook, but I will go back to you if I find no better option. 


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I think I would ease off my FoS on Luna after hearing his reaction to Mharman comments. I don't know from my experience playing with Luna as town he tends to be a lot more emotional and say stuff like "stop being fucking idiots" and "fuck you" when he's town versus when he is scum. You can see it in his game when he fake claimed a Sensor and when I was putting pressure it was much more controlled than emotional. 
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Not sure if I’m ready to join the pressure on Earth just yet. I’ll think about it.
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Reasonable 
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I do have one question. Barney raised the idea of 3P… I don’t like his specific choice of a 3P pick, but I did find that GP’a claim could align with a 3P cultist. 

What do you think are the odds of third party?
I generally don’t like it when someone brings up a TP. But if GP was a TP, he would say he was. I gave him a TP role in one my games and he claimed it as TP.
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What are your thoughts on Earth?
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I'll fullclaim if I must, but I feel like I am playing as I usually do lol. 
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Have fun with Earth. I’ll be watching.
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I think Savant would be my top choice to lynch if I had to choose. I've seen some behavioral oddities from this DP that I usually don't see from him in games. I point out a few examples
1. His lack of engagement in the DP
- Savant is someone that even when he's lynched and sometimes just bad reads, he always is keen to ensure town know what his reads are and what his stance is on certain players is whether he town reads them or scum reads
I already explained by PoE is flawed with 14 players. The odds of successfully town reading 10-11 people are pretty low, so if we go for scum by process of elimination, it's likely we'll eliminate scum alongside town. With 9 or so players, it's different, especially since 2 or 3 having confirmable roles really helps narrow things down.

I'll post reads, though, since I keep getting pestered for them. Honestly I was kind of being lazy too and didn't want to read 14 different players, but I guess that attitude will just get me lynched.

Greyparrot - Slight town. Claimed early, and his claim wasn't particularly scummy. If it's a scum role, should be easy enough to figure out in later day phases.
Lunatic - Slight scum. Accused banana for reasons that don't make much sense. Backtracked later, but that's not enough for me to remove a scum lean.
Pie - Null. Accusatory as both town and scum, doesn't tell me much about his alignment.
Casey - Town. When Casey is scum, something tends to stick out. i.e. accusing GP for reasons that didn't make much sense, or trying to avoid the limelight. I don't see that here. I don't think Casey would make a post like this as scum, it indicates some genuine effort.
Mharman - Slight scum. Pretty aggressive in a way that seems more opportunistic than genuine.
Vader - Null. Going after new players who don't post much is a scummy tactic, but he's also paying attention to my behavior. Not sure how to read that.
Earth - Null. Rarely posts enough to go off of.
Owen - Town. Claimed way earlier than he had to when asked.
Banana - Town. At the very least, I think they're telling the truth about their PM, which is townie.
Joebob - Slight town. Not posting much, but what he does post doesn't seem like fluff.
Austin - Null. Not posting that much, but likely busyness.
Barney - Null. Fluff posts as town and scum. With him, you can't tell much dp1.
Whiteflame - Slight town. I don't think WF would be broadly town reading players as scum. He can sound pretty believable either way, so I'd expect him to try to direct suspicion somewhere if he was scum.

It's the scum reads that matter, so I'd be down for Mharman or Luna. But I'll settle for a null read over no lynch.
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Nothing out of the ordinary from typical Earth play. Not enough activity to make a conclusive read so null
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I'll fullclaim if I must, but I feel like I am playing as I usually do lol. 
I disagree. What are your reads?
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Have fun with Earth. I’ll be watching.
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Savant's reads are finally posted. Nothing sticks out like a sore thumb.

Doesn't necessarily change my read on Savant but good to know his thought process

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I am also torn with Owen. At one point I think he hasn't been too behaviorally different for a what a new player would be during this game and his analysis coorelates with noob. On the other hand, I hate his character claim. Not that I think it's scummy, but I think there's a chance it's negative utility once it gets to a certain point. Knowing Wylted's thoughts on transgender people, I think it could be negative utility. But again we will see. I also think it is a bit crazy that a neg utility is revealed in (did he say DP3? someone link I forget). So not sure what to make of it
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I'm okay with pushing Earth for a claim. I actually do consider him to be genuinely unreadable, at least during DP1, but even for his standards, I'm unimpressed with his low activity in a large game with much to comment on. As far as outright scumreads go, I'm ambivalent on Pie but still have a slight scumread on Luna. His response to Mharman was good imo, but I still don't like his initial push on Banana and feel like it was a little unusual for him. I'd be fine with a lynch on him today if we don't have any better options. I'll join the wagon on Earth for now, but I still want Luna's claim tbh. 

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VTL Earth
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Would anyone else be interested in pressuring Lunatic? 


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Would anyone else be interested in pressuring Lunatic? 
I agreed to that. I think my vote is on Luna already, but in case not...

VTL Luna
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Mm, you disagree you say. To be honest, sometimes you go off on these wild goose chases and while I might dislike it, I find its consistent with your town play. So I can probably put you in my town pile. Banana is town, from how I remember her town play. I do think I should reread Mhar and your back and forth.

But because I'm lazy as shit, I'll fullclaim anyway. I'm the Evil Cookie Giver. I'm third party and its some weird Cultist thing idk. Every night I can give someone an evil cookie and a 7 word message. They have the option to take it. I win when I give the cookie out to 5 people, or if I am alive at the end of the game. I can joint win with Town. Theres a little more to it, but I'll leave it at that for now. My essay is Wylted talking about how you can't live without doing evil and how NPCs are incapable of such thought.
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Vtl Luna 

Neither have given much to work off of, but Luna's reaction to Banana is weird to me.
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Great we have an outted TP to lynch
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I can joint win with Town.
I don't know if I trust this. How would be even confirm it?
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Great we have an outted TP to lynch
Maybe. I keep going back and forth on this, but I'd like to go after scum first.
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TP. Interesting. I don't mind lynching Earth. This recruiter thing with 5 x recruits with a joint win con is weird asf. Playing it safe would just be to lynch Earth
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You can't, I guess. 
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I don't know if I trust this. How would be even confirm it?
We can’t, that’s why we lynch him.
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Vtl Luna 

Neither have given much to work off of, but Luna's reaction to Banana is weird to me.

Explain why a person who doesn't read their role pm isn't scummy. She didn't say at first her role and justification was seperate, so from my POV she didn't know the most basic thing a townie should know about their role if pressured, if she was scum thats a convienent excuse to avoid pressure. 
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vtl earth, he can't joint win with town, and we can't leave him alive to the end, better than a mislynch with time expiring, best to get him out of the game early.


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Explain why a person who doesn't read their role pm isn't scummy. She didn't say at first her role and justification was seperate, so from my POV she didn't know the most basic thing a townie should know about their role if pressured, if she was scum thats a convienent excuse to avoid pressure. 
You know what, fine. This argumentativeness is reminding me of games when you were town. 

VTL Earth