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@Mharman
 In a game where Pie and Mharman are controlling the tempo, if it is a situation where it's town vs town, they have no incentive to try and make reads and engage when it looks like they will consume each other
Astute observation. I have been thinking about the consequences of me being wrong on Pie. It would certainly not be a good look for those who disappeared from the thread. Would like to give Austin a pass on it, and I think I will give Barney one for now as well, iirc he made note that his activity would be low early on.

It is worth mentioning that Barney did lowpost all of DP1 last time he was scum, and what was suspicious to me about that was how little he said about the game when he actually did check in. So I'll revoke that pass on Barney if what he can give is fuck all

Exactly. I remember in a game where Whiteflame and I as town butted heads and had an intense 1v1, Barney literally got away with scum slipping and laid low. So I think it's important he shares his reads on the game. Austin for sure gets a pass and I didn't imply him. I just want to hear his thought process. 
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@Savant
I don't think giving vanilla reads is very helpful at this point, since we have to lynch 1 of 14 players. Imo, we're not going to find a day one lynch from PoE. That leaves scum reads, and Owen's claim moved him from a slight scum lean to a town read.
You are right. Hence why I am asking you for more in depth reads. 
So who's on the table for a lynch? I can think of several options, though I'd want to get a claim first before going for a lynch. Luna going after banana like this and then disappearing from the conversation is a bit scummy, but I've seen town Luna be determined before, and I don't really see the play if Luna is scum. Barney isn't making very substantive posts much, but I've seen him behave like this as town. Of those two, I'd want a claim from Luna first, since I just don't see this scum read on banana.
I am walking through the process of who I think we should lynch. I want to hear your reads on who you think we should lynch and why you scum read them.

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I will be fair here and say that I've seen Lunatic's activity get fucked over from a work schedule that changes and fucks with his sleep schedule, to be fair. Still not a good look, but strange inactivity isn't inherently scummy and I'm not gonna make it a major point in a scumread. Minor at most
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@Mharman
Luna's schedule is fucked, but he's contributed enough reads and provoking info that I can let him slide. Plus 80% of the time he's up at 4am to do analysis anyway
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Hey, I don't need you to be a tryhard here who writes an essay, but what are your thoughts on some of the other people in this game? I townread you but I think it's worth getting your reads nonetheless.

Same for Owen. Any thoughts on others you haven't talked about yet? 

Gonna ping Earth again too. And joebob.
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ok 
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@Vader
Yeah, as I said, Barney and Luna. Go for claims first, and depending on that we can lynch one of them.
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I feel like if anyone is in position to maximize the value off of coasting, it's joebob. Even the other people calling out a lack of reads from others aren't pinging joebob.
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Eh, he's posted a few times and comes off townie to me.
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I'm gonna get on some reads for some other people in the morning. I'll leave things with what I've said tonight.
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Apparently saying you have a long PM, but you got what you needed from it- and trying to get good at reading people, is scummy in his eyes.
I’ve already said my opinion on the matter if this is still about Ana.
We shouldn’t still be on the fact that she didn’t read all of her pm because it was 18 or something text long.
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And I don’t get why Pie is still after her if that is the case.
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@Vader
My girlfriend is visiting from Canada this weekend, which is contributing to a lower actively level.

Not that it overly matters DP1. I suck at DP1.

I usually focus on keeping an up to date dashboard to benefit everyone, and while I’ve read most of the posts, I am not putting the needed time in for tracking all claims and their post links (also not spotting any big ones, just spitballing).
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@Barney
No worries. I just wanted some thoughts. I think I've just had some PTSD of you skating by town so easily and wanted you to put thoughts
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Hi, just got back. Skimming thread rn then I'm going to go to sleep, should have plenty of time to catch up tmrw.

Not sure what the votecount is looking like, but obviously don't hammer if we are close to one.
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ok I'm too tired to do much right now.

My gut observation, off threadstate, is that in a gamestate with high amounts of direct arguing and conflict, generally scum will tend to be lower activity unless they're directly in danger. I think out of the active posters, most should be town unless they only started ramping up activity in response to pressure.
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Not sure what the votecount is looking like, but obviously don't hammer if we are close to one.
Sorry about that. Will get to that after I am off work
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Vote count

(1/8) Lunatic- owen
(1/8) Banana- Lunatic,
(3/8) pie- Casey, mharman, owen
(2/8)Mharman- pie, greyparrot
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Invite

I'm still unsure about Pie but we need to turn out attention to the inactives. 
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*Unvote 
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Time check?
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I am pretty behind, I am not usually active til Tuesday as  Saturday Sunday Monday are my weekends. not sure I’ll have a chance to catch up today. Mharman go fuck yourself, your entire read on me makes no sense as you agreed with me about banana needing to read her on you just created excuses for her and I didn’t. So fuck you and your “need” for me to claim this day phase.

Anyways to the rest of you I’ll be more active after tuesday
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I am pretty behind, I am not usually active til Tuesday as  Saturday Sunday Monday are my weekends. not sure I’ll have a chance to catch up today. Mharman go fuck yourself, your entire read on me makes no sense as you agreed with me about banana needing to read her on you just created excuses for her and I didn’t. So fuck you and your “need” for me to claim this day phase.

Anyways to the rest of you I’ll be more active after tuesday
You should read what he said to me lol
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@Vader
By the way, regarding “Barney literally got away with scum slipping and laid low.” if it’s the game I think it was, it was a rare time where I used inactivity as a tool (I can’t recall who my partner was, but they advised it AFTER pressure was on me, until I could be replaced for genuinely being too busy).

My main scum tell is trying too hard. Which I’ve gotten better at hiding, but is still my main scum weakness.

That said, I do independently concur that the push on Banana feels opportunistic rather than genuine (but town can want to lynch someone as a policy).


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@Barney
What are your reads?
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@Barney
Noted. I think it may just be recency bias. My memory of forum mafia is about as good as Dory so I could be wrong. 

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@JoeBob
I wasn’t just asking about your thoughts on Banana
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@Greyparrot
I should ask you for your reads
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@ILikePie5
Let's say you’re actually both town and know something. Do you think mafia knows that same piece of information that you know?

Additionally, do you townread Casey? I assume you do, considering you accused me off buddying her earlier.