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@WyIted
ok, you are confirmed town now.
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On my break, skimmed through the posts made in my absence. Like I said, I will claim if enough other players want it. Right now, only Pie seems to be pushing for my claim. I have my reasons for refraining. I will say that I am not a player action.
I don't agree with Savant's idea of letting GP live to test if he's scum or not. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Will be back later.
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@WyIted
Has anyone claimed a gun or gun accessory?
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Do yall town read Casey? Why or why not?
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@ILikePie5
Yeah, because she gave up so much information about her role early and took a hard stand coming in immediately instead of laying back like she normally does as scum and riding off of others
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@WyIted
Yeah, because she gave up so much information about her role early and took a hard stand coming in immediately instead of laying back like she normally does as scum and riding off of others
Fair enough.
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@Mharman
Time check
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@ILikePie5
Obviously, Casey is scum for lynching me.
1 day 1 hr and 40 min remaining
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@ILikePie5
I thnk I lean town from there reaction to GP. Haven't seen her that attacking of a player versus in scum it was much more laidback.
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@ILikePie5
Time check above
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
Slight scum on Pie rn tbh. Going back through his posts, I sense a lot of just going through the motions.
Also there's this question he asked Mharman: "Have you given fake claims and/or fake roles to scum"
Mharman said he couldn't answer. There's a good chance Pie confirmed beforehand that Mharman couldn't answer and asked the question to look townie. And the way it's phrased makes it seem like Pie expects Mharman will give the answer. I don't think a townie would expect that and they would probably phrase it asking if Mharman would be able to answer that question (i.e. "are you able to tell us if...") I mean, when has a mod not said they gave fake claims in the game description and then came out and revealed they did when someone asked them? It doesn't make sense, and I don't think a townie would ask the question.
But as scum pretending to be town? Yeah, I think Pie would ask the question pretending he's sure to get an answer even though he knows he won't. I'm looking for examples in previous games, but right now all I have is a hunch.
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@Savant
Slight scum on Pie rn tbh. Going back through his posts, I sense a lot of just going through the motions.
It’s the small things that hold the answers to everything. Even if it may seem obvious, it can help in the future with rereads and everything.
Also there's this question he asked Mharman: "Have you given fake claims and/or fake roles to scum"Mharman said he couldn't answer. There's a good chance Pie confirmed beforehand that Mharman couldn't answer and asked the question to look townie.
Anyone could’ve done this.
And the way it's phrased makes it seem like Pie expects Mharman will give the answer. I don't think a townie would expect that and they would probably phrase it asking if Mharman would be able to answer that question (i.e. "are you able to tell us if...")
I’m a pretty direct person. My tone is always direct unless I’m purposely trying to get something out of someone
I mean, when has a mod not said they gave fake claims in the game description and then came out and revealed they did when someone asked them? It doesn't make sense, and I don't think a townie would ask the question.
You probably want to check out my previous games.
But as scum pretending to be town? Yeah, I think Pie would ask the question pretending he's sure to get an answer even though he knows he won't. I'm looking for examples in previous games, but right now all I have is a hunch.
It’s a definitely a bad hunch full of a bunch of assumptions
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@Savant
Is it a normal practice of yours to scumread someone based on a hunch?
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@ILikePie5
Do yall town read Casey? Why or why not?
Yes. Some of that may have more to do with just disbelieving that Casey would put themselves out there and be so confident as to vote GP early as scum. Part of it is just that Casey's logic has looked pretty good to me throughout. The hints at their claim limit their claim early to a role that, from the sound of it, could easily be CC'd. It's a lot of risky moves for scum.
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@Savant
Slight scum on Pie rn tbh. Going back through his posts, I sense a lot of just going through the motions.Also there's this question he asked Mharman: "Have you given fake claims and/or fake roles to scum"Mharman said he couldn't answer. There's a good chance Pie confirmed beforehand that Mharman couldn't answer and asked the question to look townie. And the way it's phrased makes it seem like Pie expects Mharman will give the answer. I don't think a townie would expect that and they would probably phrase it asking if Mharman would be able to answer that question (i.e. "are you able to tell us if...") I mean, when has a mod not said they gave fake claims in the game description and then came out and revealed they did when someone asked them? It doesn't make sense, and I don't think a townie would ask the question.
I mean, to be fair, I asked earlier about a theme split and Mharman divulged that there was one. Maybe he posted that elsewhere and only confirmed that because of my question, but I can understand why he'd ask about game mechanics, particularly after seeing that I got an answer. As for calling out the particular phrasing... yeah, I don't really see it. I'm not townreading Pie for asking this question and I doubt few people are, so if that was his aim, it wasn't very effective.
But as scum pretending to be town? Yeah, I think Pie would ask the question pretending he's sure to get an answer even though he knows he won't. I'm looking for examples in previous games, but right now all I have is a hunch.
I understand why you'd consider it, but at least for now, I don't see this as a good reason to scumread him.
VTL PIE
(on savant's hunch)
Vote Count
Wylted (1/5) - Casey
Wylted (1/5) - Casey
Greyparrot (1/5) - Wylted
Casey (1/5) - Pie
Lunatic (1/5) - Austin
Pie (1/5) - Greyparrot
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@ILikePie5
Is it a normal practice of yours to scumread someone based on a hunch?
Yes, more so in other games than this one. I remember going 1v1 against you and Austin, and being absolutely certain Luna was scum at one point until I saw proof to the contrary. This is me going easy.
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@ILikePie5
I’m a pretty direct person. My tone is always direct unless I’m purposely trying to get something out of someone
I might be thinking a bit too much about how I would phrase it. Whiteflame isn't seeing anything there, and the odds of you being the scum team are pretty low, so I'm probably overthinking this a bit. Null on you for now. At this point, most players seem equally scummy to me, which I don't love. I'll keep digging.
~24 hrs remaining
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@Savant
Mharman said he couldn't answer. There's a good chance Pie confirmed beforehand that Mharman couldn't answer and asked the question to look townie. And the way it's phrased makes it seem like Pie expects Mharman will give the answer. I don't think a townie would expect that and they would probably phrase it asking if Mharman would be able to answer that question (i.e. "are you able to tell us if...") I mean, when has a mod not said they gave fake claims in the game description and then came out and revealed they did when someone asked them? It doesn't make sense, and I don't think a townie would ask the question.
Legit I am pretty sure pie asks this every game tho
Further argument to lynching GP:
Most the reason I don't just insta lynch a player like this is because GP usually has very confirmable, or believable roles. In absence of GP having one, he is almost just as good of a policy lynch because behavior wise, you just aren't going to get a ton from him. That said, when GP immediately claims a role that is commonly aligned with scum, you just have to assume he is likely scum. Further when you have someone basically counter claiming the role on the first page, it just doesn't look good for him. As I pointed out to savant, we simply don't gain any value from him now that he claimed this role, as he will either get roleblocked or night killed. I almost guarantee you if we don't lynch him we will be in the same spot with him tomorrow, nothing to confirm him. If he was a player that actively contributed more than one liners in his posts, I would consider letting him live for that, but I mean he just sheeps people he thinks are town or agrees with, and does the same thing as scum. Even if it is a mislynch, what real value or contribution are we losing from lynching GP? I don't see any reason to let him live in cases where he doesn't have a confirmable role, or a role that's just likely to exist for town, and in the last couple games he sort of did, but here he is an outlier. I think he is a good dp 1 lynch with only 24 hours left. Him and supa's combined claims gives us enough info to work on, and I simply just don't see the point in pushing more claims and info when we have a satisfactory lynch target.
VTL GP
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@Savant
Mharman said he couldn't answer. There's a good chance Pie confirmed beforehand that Mharman couldn't answer and asked the question to look townie. And the way it's phrased makes it seem like Pie expects Mharman will give the answer. I don't think a townie would expect that and they would probably phrase it asking if Mharman would be able to answer that question (i.e. "are you able to tell us if...") I mean, when has a mod not said they gave fake claims in the game description and then came out and revealed they did when someone asked them? It doesn't make sense, and I don't think a townie would ask the question.
I've played a lot of games with Pie before, and tbh I think that sort of question is NAI for him, especially in this game since Mharman actually answers questions in-thread. Most mods don't really do that except to give a vote count/time check. I know I don't.
Unvote
Forgot I still had my vote on Wylted. At this point, I'm pretty comfortable leaving it on GP.
VTL Greyparrot
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@Lunatic
wow, just wow.
It's not like sheeping pie was a bad thing last game....
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Ok, final list of reads. A bit different this time since
Vader - Slight town - Unlikely to fake claim gravedigger, since the existence or absence of a tracker or watcher will become apparent later in the game. However, they could be planning for a scum partner to confirm them. Or they could be a ninja and hence aware of the existence of a tracker/watcher. Or they could be doing a gambit. Those possibilities make this a slight read.
Lunatic - Slight town - Scum doesn't tend to hard push on day 1. If Luna is pushing GP and expects to get a mislynch, he knows this will put him on the chopping block tomorrow. And there's no reason for him to come out this strongly. With a player like Luna, I get that this could be WIFOM, but it doesn't usually go that way in my experience.
Casey - Null - Behavior is different from what I've seen before from them, which makes it difficult to tell whether it's coming from town or scum. Hard pushing GP based on ChatGPT isn't very strategic as town or scum.
Whiteflame/Wylted/Pie/Austin - Null - No strong behavioral tells.
Greyparrot - Lean scum - Role claim that typically belongs to scum.
I don't love the idea of town losing a role cop, but I also don't love the idea of scum having a role cop.
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@Mharman
What's the vote count?
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
It probably wouldn't hurt to have GP use his role on Vader since it's unlikely they are scum partners, but I don't see another great lynch target for today.
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@AustinL0926
At this point, the lynch on GP seems like a foregone conclusion and I'm fine with that. I haven't made a secret that he's my biggest sus at the moment, and I think others have laid out good reasons as to why.
I will, however, add a couple of points.
I think Savant's point about the potential to gain some information from GP's role has some merit in that, if GP is town and we lynch him next DP, we at least come away with information from his lynch. The trouble is that I'm not seeing another viable target here (Austin's really the only other player who has been rubbing me the wrong way and I think GP's flip will better inform my perspective on him anyway). Any alternative lynch would both be a risky venture in terms of lost role potential whether through pushing for a claim and having to make a rapid-fire decision or just straight up lynching someone unclaimed. I see the value in the Role Cop, but I'm good at this point with keeping as many roles hidden as possible, as that will give town the most opportunity to get shit done NP1.
That being said, I'd still like to ensure that everyone has provided at least some softclaim for their role this DP, however loose it may be, rather than giving scum the full gamut of choices for fake claims to give later. Since we haven't developed a list of known claims and softclaims so far, here it is:
Vader: Killcam - Gravedigger (non-player action, informational)
GP: The Tag System - 1X Role Cop (non-player action, informational)
WF: (player action, in-game object)
Luna: (non-shooter-specific mechanic)
Pie: (player action)
Savant: (non-player action, informational)
WyIted: (non-player action, low gameplay effect?)
Notably, I haven't seen either Casey nor Austin respond with a category for their character, though in Casey's case, I think they've softed enough about their role that it's less of an issue. It's more glaring that Austin hasn't responded at all. We have about 14 hours left in the DP, so I'm going to seek that information in the time we have.
VTL Austin
State whether yours is a player action or a non-player action. If it belongs to a category (e.g. informational, in-game object), please state the category as well.