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@WyIted
Interesting how Vader is defending Savant?
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Official Vote Count:
Savant- 3/5- wylted, Greyparrot, Austin
Austin- 2/5- Pie, vader
7.5 hours remain
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@AustinL0926
I’m pretty slammed with work this morning, but suffice it to say that I don’t love this “reaction test” of Austin’s, nor his flip onto Savant. I was leaning town on him, but this has moved him into a slight scum lean for me. I don’t think that definitively makes him and Savant not a plausible scum team (Mharman and Austin sussed each other early last game and were both scum), but it puts some distance between them.
Also, and this perspective bothers me:Also ftr Pie is obvious town. Scum doesn't invent a fake informed role and push a scumslip off of it when all it does is make their info look fake after I flip. It's a genuine misinterpretation combined with Pie being his usual town self.
I get it if you’re townreading Pie behaviorally. I am as well, even though I really don’t like his role claim and his initial basis for sussing Austin is tenuous. What I don’t understand is how a town flipping Austin would make Pie’s information “look fake”. Can someone explain to me what part of Pie’s information is contradicted by Austin flipping town? Part of the reason I’m iffy on Pie’s information is that the only ways to verify it (or contradict it) is to get a scum flip or get Pie’s flip.
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@Vader
I largely agree with your response with the caveat that it functions under the assumption that Pie’s information is true. Assuming that, yeah, there’s a lot of my initial analysis of confirmable roles that goes up in the air.
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
At this point, I'm claiming. I'm roleblocker.
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@AustinL0926
Savant scumslipped here btw by admitting that it is, even when he doesn't townread me.
I said "even if." That's is not a scum slip and you know it. Another "reaction test"?
Alright, might as well update the list:
WyIted: Role Changer - Category: Manipulative
Austin: Hammerer - Category: Negative Utility
GP: Reviver - Category: Protective
Pie: Informed - Category: Passive
Savant: Roleblocker - Category: Role Prevention
We are now down to four unclaimed categories. Given that one of them is Investigative, I would prefer not to seek further claims and continue to narrow an already small window for scum to pick their target.
Investigative
Killing
Voting
Communication
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@Earth
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Here are my reads at the moment.
Town
WyIted
Pie
Greyparrot
Lean Town
Casey
Null
whiteflame
Earth
Lean Scum
Vader
Austin
Heavily doubt both Vader and Austin are scum, but they both have the highest probability of being scum imo, Austin moreso. I'm tagging Earth because he's been inactive even for him, and I'd like to get his input on me vs. Austin.
I'm not liking Austin. There really is no reason not to vote him though.
VTL Austin.
Look at how quick the pivot was from Pie to Savant by Austin. As soon as Wylted and GP started the wagon he joined. It’s so blatant
Savant is scum though
You guys never listen. Savant is literally scum. He was actually caught. Vader's suspicion of Austin for flipping reads a lot is dumb. Flipping reads a lot is indication of being town. Scum typically move their votes around less because people think it is scummy.
You guys ever here people say "look me in the eyes and tell me that" when they suspect a person is lying. Well studies show that people are stupid and have taken that to mean staring into the eyes is an indicator of truth so when somebody is lying they are actually more likely to stare into your eyes hard.
It's also a poker tell by the way. Usually somebody trying to to intimidate you into folding.
People pointing out that Austin lied about a reaction test. So what . It's called ego. His interactions with pie made him think pie was town so he changed his mind but his ego won't allow him to say "I was wrong" so instead he says "that's a reaction test.
Also Savant literally just claimed role blocker. I got bus driver and redirector as options. How many scummy roles do you think lunatic gave town?
We can't all be scum roles.
I am going to tell you guys also
My fourth role is essentially a CC
The one I didn't choose is and disclose is called brain shocker and it forces a person to self direct, so it essentially functions as a role block for active role.
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@Earth
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
Read about my brainshock ability above.
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@whiteflame
You asked and lunatic said same night but I am double checking. It seems to me that can't be true so I am going to ask the question a different way
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@WyIted
Bad town gonna be bad I guess...
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@Greyparrot
You wanna save Austin and we just get savant the next DP? Or do you want me to fight this now
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@WyIted
If you're going to lynch me, do it this day phase.
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@Savant
I need cooperation for that and dp2 never works the way most people expect thinking about it on DP1.
Official Vote Count:
Savant- 3/5- wylted, Greyparrot, Austin
Austin- 3/5- Pie, vader, earth
6 hour remaining
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@WyIted
I played enough of these games to know you really have to sit back and let the rest of the town catch up, otherwise it's usually a waste.
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@Earth
There really is no reason not to vote him though.
This is exceptionally lazy, even for your normal play.
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@Savant
Why are you not placing your vote?
Austin is in your scum list.
unvote
Its a little too early, but I'll be on before the hammer. I'm fine with either Austin or Savant, but whatever.
Its a little too early, but I'll be on before the hammer. I'm fine with either Austin or Savant, but whatever.
Official Vote Count:
Savant- 3/5- wylted, Greyparrot, Austin
Austin- 2/5- Pie, vader
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@WyIted
You asked and lunatic said same night but I am double checking. It seems to me that can't be true so I am going to ask the question a different way
What I asked was when during the NP does your role apply, i.e. does your target get to use their current role during the NP that you switch their role, or do they use their new role instead?
You guys never listen. Savant is literally scum. He was actually caught. Vader's suspicion of Austin for flipping reads a lot is dumb. Flipping reads a lot is indication of being town. Scum typically move their votes around less because people think it is scummy.
Don't know if I agree with your reasoning on why he's scummy, but I think his read on Austin didn't make a lot of sense and only came around to looking more accurate after the fact. That's true for Pie as well, but Savant seemed to place himself very opportunistically. At least right now, I prefer the Savant lynch to Austin, as I find it less likely that Austin would paint a big target on himself by framing everything he was doing as a gambit if he was scum.
Also Savant literally just claimed role blocker. I got bus driver and redirector as options. How many scummy roles do you think lunatic gave town?We can't all be scum roles.I am going to tell you guys alsoMy fourth role is essentially a CCThe one I didn't choose is and disclose is called brain shocker and it forces a person to self direct, so it essentially functions as a role block for active role.
As for this CC, I'm having trouble determining just how much it matters. Whether we believe Pie's information or we just note what Categories are in this game, we can and should suspect that a Role Prevention role exists in this game. The setup lends itself to some instances where there might be semi-CCs like this, and I'm not sure how much stock to put into that. There might be something to it (i.e. it might make more sense if the Role Prevention Category was scum so that there wasn't room for this CC on town), but I'm not sure how much stock to put into that.
VTL Austin
Just lynch and revive me and get it over with so Pie can stop tunneling me bc he doesn't understand hypotheticals and we can solve for Savant + [Casey/Vader]
WF is obvtown, Pie is obvtown, Wylted and GP are town by role and behavior, and Earth is town bc I have the solve
Just lynch and revive me and get it over with so Pie can stop tunneling me bc he doesn't understand hypotheticals and we can solve for Savant + [Casey/Vader]
WF is obvtown, Pie is obvtown, Wylted and GP are town by role and behavior, and Earth is town bc I have the solve
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@whiteflame
@Savant
@Casey_Risk
You guys have been exceedingly cautious with your vote and it doesn't help town to refrain from voting. Even in the early stages of the DP.
Negotiations have to take place and we need to know where we all stand.
Town
GP
Pie
Austin
Lean town
Whiteflame
Null
Earth
Lean scum
Vader
Casey
Scum
Savant
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@Earth
If you are done with either than vote savant
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@AustinL0926
Don't know why you'd post a vote on yourself since it's automatically placed on the lynch. I get the gesture, but it's kind of pointless.
People think flipping reads is scummy when my scum meta is literally just tunneling players into the ground with zero reevaluation whatsoever
Also sketchy self-meta disclaimer etc but I'm a good scum player and if I was playing scum I wouldn't be in this position
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@WyIted
You guys have been exceedingly cautious with your vote and it doesn't help town to refrain from voting. Even in the early stages of the DP.
As I said, I'd prefer the Savant lynch right now. He's at L-1 from what I can see, though, given the Hammerer role. So I'm not placing my vote yet. I'd also be willing to lynch Pie, mainly to ascertain the truth of his information. I understand that you see him as town as do many others, though I'm still not so sure.