Choose Your Role DP1

So in other words, I was right to lean toward trusting him over you? I'm being scum read for not trusting the accusation you admit you completely made up?

Also, this is a ton of backtracking from you. Pie accused you first. That's not the time to start lying. Whenever you've been scum before, you usually ended up flipping on something and saying it was all part of a master plan. One time was when you claimed you were miller and had been hiding it for some reason. There was a game a long time go when whiteflame was accusing you and you changed your role claim in an attempt to get him off your back. You've done similar gambits as town like the supersaint, but those are usually confirmable.

My inclination right now is that if Pie is very sure about a scum slip, then he's either scum or Austin is.

It's not towny to force a dichotomy.

It's especially not towny to say you'll lynch me and then lynch Pie WHEN I flip town lol.

I'd love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.

What makes you so sure about this, Savant?

Pie's intuition in previous games. Austin claiming a gambit changes this dynamic though. Right now it's him or Vader imo.

I'd love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.

I agree it doesn't "hard confirm" him regardless (and I think that was jumping the gun a bit), but he's also not the first person to suggest that scum might have access to roles in the two Categories that aren't in town.

There’s a difference between getting them as a fake claim vs a real confirmable role to mislead town. No one suggested the latter to my understanding.

There is some presumption in that line that suggests that scum could have received a role from those Categories, which seems to be the stronger basis for your sus, but I read this as making a case for why it couldn't be because it would throw off the balance of the game.

Luna already said the balance is wonky because of the inherent choices players made. Balance shouldn’t be an argument anywhere in this game period. 

Ok, so we kill savant?

I don't think this is that inexplicable. Obviously if you're scum, you don't want to be lynched, especially not on DP1, and townreading someone who is pushing hard for your lynch is generally a towny thing to do. If you get lynched as town DP1, oh well, it's not that bad, unless you're a good investigative/protective role, which you're not. The town at least gets some information they can use to help them make a more informed decision next time. Except in this game, it's even less bad for the town. In fact, it's a positive, because you become a confirmed townie and lose your negative utility status thanks to GP's role.

I said we had two good lynch targets, lynching either of you would give information and be better than random chance. I said "Of course Pie could be wrong and erroneously confident and we have two townies going against each other, but Pie's intuition has been good before." But I did not think it was likely a town v town fight. Why would I be accounting for it being some weird gambit from you? Face it, even if it was a reaction test, that's not a usual town v town conflict. Hence why I did not recognize it as one.

I genuinely don't think I could have done what I just did if I was scum because it takes a huge amount of mental effort to ignore the path of least resistance and just consistently townread my biggest pusher and instead focus on those on the sidelines. That comes from a place of genuine solving.

All this being said, I'm not automatically concluding that a role confirmed Hammerer must be town in this game. It'd be a weird choice to give scum the option to be the Hammerer, but this is the kind of game that might include such a thing. It's unusual enough that I don't scumread Austin's initial response to having the role.

Granted, I know I fall into the category of choosing for role confirmation, but all my roles were confirmation roles and I chose the one I think would be the less damaging to town while also providing the most utility

I am also still irked by the way he chose a role that would likely benefit himself more than it would benefit the town as a whole. His behavior since then makes me lean more into that logic. 

Hammerer is literally the least negative utility because it does nothing to change the outcome of the lynch if people don't just L - 1 for no reason.

You're acting like I chose to take negative utility on purpose because I wanted to have a towny category. No, I got stuck between four bad options and now everyone is getting on my case for it. If you were in my shoes, I guarantee that any option you chose would have been judged just because people apparently can't fathom that the mod gives the roles, not me.

Hell I know at times I can kind of buddy off logic when I believe it's good. I think this reaction test stuff is a bit of nonsense.