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@AustinL0926
I think most people here strongly disagree with your decision to pick selfishly for a role that helps you more than a role that hurts town the least.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Okay time to end this charade.
Savant is quite obviously scum..
It's ridiculously clear. I wouldn't suggest greyparrot wasting his role because this is pretty certain
Unvote VTL savant
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@WyIted
I think pie and austin are town
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@Greyparrot
Probably but savant is definitely scum and it kind of makes me sad it wasn't harder to catch scum DP1
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@WyIted
was it the fluff, or something else?
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@Greyparrot
I first noticed it a while back. For example how he was struggling to come up with real analysis so he said that pie was either 100% correct that Austin is scum or pie is scum. Then you have the large post he just did and yes it was fluff but it is not pure fluff. It reads like one of those essays as a kid where you have one sentence of content but stretch it out to 3 paragraphs to pass the assignment.
Everything he says is not manufactured and exactly the way a bullshitter speaks
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@WyIted
Ok, so we kill savant?
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@ILikePie5
As for the information you've received, I want to get into this a little more because there are discrepancies.
You ask how it contradicts the OP. It doesn't. It does, however, contradict information from the sign-up thread that I've already referenced:
How this will work, is this will be an open set up game, with a list of 9 role Category types IE (Investigative, Protective, Manipulation, Preventative" Etc. I will be lying about two of those role categories being in the game, only mafia will know which two categories I am lying about, the other 7 will be truthful.
He said he would be lying about two of those categories being in the game, not just among town roles. Your role says they must necessarily be in the game and only available to scum. That's the contradiction I was pointing out.
But setting that aside, there are a few things that bother me about the information you received.
For one, reading the paraphrased version straight up led me to a different conclusion about how it worked than the description you later provided. I've already mentioned that, but maybe I can just chalk that up to misinterpretation on my part or issues with the paraphrasing on yours. There's some more odd phrasing where you say that scum definitely have two roles apiece based on your information, but then say they "theoretically can have 2 roles each". I'm not really questioning the how of it, they could certainly have two roles, so I don't have additional questions to pose about how that would work.
Beyond that, I just don't like how much information you received here. You didn't just get one piece of information, you got four:
- Mafia has two roles each
- One of those roles is in their faked Category, essentially making them actually part of that Category
- The other is from a separate Category that is not one of the nine stated categories
- Scum can only use one of their two roles per night, assuming that both are active PRs only usable at night
That's a lot of information, way more than the information that is apparently commonly given out with this role. It even comes with extra information baked into the second piece of information that should just be a given (that one of their claims is meant to "confirm" their category). Maybe that's just the result of asking a lot of questions and you progressively fleshing out what looked like a simple piece of information to begin with. I'm not sure, though I am surprised I'm the only one who is talking about all this as far as I've seen, especially considering the timing with which you presented it.
You gave your claim significantly after I explained why verifiable roles claims could be a big deal in this game, and also long after Austin made that initial post. Maybe that can be chalked up to your busy travel day and maybe I'm just reading into it too much, but I can't shake the feeling that this information is extremely convenient.
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@WyIted
I first noticed it a while back. For example how he was struggling to come up with real analysis so he said that pie was either 100% correct that Austin is scum or pie is scum. Then you have the large post he just did and yes it was fluff but it is not pure fluff. It reads like one of those essays as a kid where you have one sentence of content but stretch it out to 3 paragraphs to pass the assignment.Everything he says is not manufactured and exactly the way a bullshitter speaks
I didn't love that post, either. I'll give the lynch some thought, but unusually, I see where you're coming from.
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@WyIted
Savant is quite obviously scum..It's ridiculously clear.
Oh, you.
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@Savant
VTL SAVANT
No one else vote unless you want to risk lynching me given Austin's role. That said, if someone other than GP or WyIted wants me to claim, I will.
Pretty sure WyIted is town at this point. If he is, the post I made is exactly the thing that would get him to accuse me (not sure he would think to derail the lynch like he's doing if he was scum). Wish I could say this was a test for him, but it wasn't.
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@Savant
unless you want to risk lynching me......
literally wtf...choose your words better
I didn't love that post, either.
This doesn't confirm whiteflame who acts pretty similar as town and scum, but it confirms my thoughts on WyIted. There was a game a while back where I made a similar post, WyIted immediately accused me, and whiteflame somewhat agreed with his analysis but wasn't totally convinced. (Pretty sure we were both town.) That's enough to line up WyIted's behavior now with his behavior as town.
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@Greyparrot
literally wtf...choose your words better
Austin hammers anyone t L-1, no?
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@Greyparrot
I think pie and austin are town
If that's true, I find it a bit sus that Vader was accused and then dipped out of the game as soon as Austin null read him and accused Pie. If he was scum, it would be smart to depart as soon as the spotlight was off him.
Whereas if he was town, I think he'd want to give his thoughts on Pie vs. Austin.
Also, Vader was online like 5 hours after Austin null read him.
Ok I got what I wanted out of my reaction test
Pie is pretty obvtown
Savant's just taking advantage of town on town violence
VTL Savant
Can elaborate when I'm done with my coursework, but I think his recent posts speak for themselves
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@Greyparrot
I think most people here strongly disagree with your decision to pick selfishly for a role that helps you more than a role that hurts town the least.
Well I'd rather not get fake guiltied or be a policy lynch before MYLO, so my choices weren't particularly great.
After reading recent posts, I lean toward believing Pie. I get that Pie is sort of misrepresenting what Austin said, but he tends to be pretty aggressive as town, so I think it's more about vibes or what he thought Austin was implying. Also, I don't know if Austin would be zeroing in on one discrepancy as town; I think a townie would look for more than one way to support their innocence, while a scum player would be more inclined to zero in on a single mistake. - SAVANT
I don't see how town has this thought lol
It's just blatant hedging and not taking a side
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Austin also says "I don't mind being used as the test for Grey confirming his role." If he's town, he doesn't really need to specify that, since if we lynch him and he's innocent we've already agreed on doing that. But if he's scum, he needs to bluff and make it seem like he's not afraid of being lynched. The line just comes off to me as trying too hard not to seem desperate, and through that lens he just seems more defensive here. A town Austin doesn't have much to lose since if he's confirmed he can get Pie tomorrow, who he's pretty sure is scum. (And if we lynch Pie instead, GP will likely die and lose his ability anyway.) Pie will be aggressive either way here since that's just how he is.
is also clearly not a real thought
And is also chaining two mislynches together
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@AustinL0926
my reaction test
I don't know if you're scum or not, but lol no. You are not L Lawliet and you did not plan this five steps ahead. Calling this a "reaction test" retroactively to sound smart just makes you more suspicious.
Also ftr Pie is obvious town. Scum doesn't invent a fake informed role and push a scumslip off of it when all it does is make their info look fake after I flip. It's a genuine misinterpretation combined with Pie being his usual town self.
I never scumread him at all but generally letting town-on-town conflicts go on for a little bit to see how people react is good practice, scum are pretty transparent about chaining mislynches or just not caring while usually town is more genuine about caring about the conflict
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@AustinL0926
his recent posts speak for themselves
You're not at all suspicious about Vader completely disappearing after someone other than him got accused?
I don't know if you're scum or not, but lol no. You are not L Lawliet and you did not plan this five steps ahead. Calling this a "reaction test" retroactively to sound smart just makes you more suspicious.
I'm literally known for doing reaction tests to an unreasonable degree here lol. Pie is obvtown and I'm willing to bet the game on that, and you pushing lynches of us back-to-back is not a good look.
I would love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.
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@Savant
You're not at all suspicious about Vader completely disappearing after someone other than him got accused?
Activity is non-alignment-indicative, in general.
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@AustinL0926
Also ftr Pie is obvious town.
So in other words, I was right to lean toward trusting him over you? I'm being scum read for not trusting the accusation you admit you completely made up?
Also, this is a ton of backtracking from you. Pie accused you first. That's not the time to start lying. Whenever you've been scum before, you usually ended up flipping on something and saying it was all part of a master plan. One time was when you claimed you were miller and had been hiding it for some reason. There was a game a long time go when whiteflame was accusing you and you changed your role claim in an attempt to get him off your back. You've done similar gambits as town like the supersaint, but those are usually confirmable.
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@AustinL0926
I would love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.
To get him off your back now that the tide is turning against me. You know he's not about to be lynched, so may as well have him on your side.
Activity is non-alignment-indicative, in general.
It is when someone's been scum read and they dip as soon as attention is elsewhere. That's way different from someone like Earth not posting much.
you pushing lynches of us back-to-back is not a good look.
Pie's intuition has rarely failed, and I had a strong feeling your accusation did not come from genuine concern. I mentioned your behavior multiple times. Now you come out and admit you were lying about your true intentions. Maybe you're not scum, but am I supposed to see you probably lying and attribute that to town?