this is so stupid, I’m not entertaining you any more.
What are your thoughts on the papacy?
What are your thoughts on the papacy?
The correct thoughts are sedavacantism, but he has accepted the heretics of vatican 2 and the current pope. I will be writer a more full argument for sedavacantism when I have some time.
First thing you're going to have to learn is that Christianity is actually man made, man invented. There's a difference between that and what God started as a faith for man. So many , the broad majority do not make this distinction.
To answer the second part of the question ("Why did God send Jesus to die for our sins?"), we need to understand a crucial concept. The question is framed very ambiguously.
Specifically when it states "Why did God send Jesus." I find that this presupposes that Jesus is not God Himself. A better phrasing would be, "Why did God the Father send God the Son to die for our sins?"
This delves within the dogma of the Holy Trinity, the teaching that there are three distinct Persons within the Godhead: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, who are all God but not each other. In order to preemtively address confusion, allow me to give an analogy to visualize this concept. The Trinity is like the sun: God the Father is like the sun itself, Jesus is like the light that illuminates the sun and creation, and the Holy Spirit is like the heat from the sun which warms and affects creation. However, this analogy could be interpreted to be heretical (Arianism), as it could be said that the light and heat are bi-products or creations from the sun. In the end, all analogies, metaphors, and illustrations break down. There is no 1:1 comparison with a triune God. All analogies fall short because the Trinity is a divine mystery.
Even if you do not understand the Trinity, the one thing to remember while answering this question is that Jesus is God. The reason He came down to die for our sins is quite simple: He did that out of His boundless love for us, desiring to restore the broken relationship between humanity and God, to free us from the bondage of sin and death, and to offer us the gift of eternal communion with Him, reflecting the infinite depth of God’s mercy and the value He places on each soul.
Instead of any story about miraculous conception, virgins, exiles, , arrests , trial, torture, blood scourging, crowns of thorns, and crucifixion, and rising from once being dead why couldn't god simply have waved his hand and tell the people of all nations of all the world that their sins have been forgiven and that he has banished and scourged all sin and evil from the earth for eternity and never shall it return.?
PS it was a brilliant question from Shila.
The idea of why did he do the whole virgin birth, blood scourging, etc, etc, is beyond me and one could only speculate,
free will
I think CA answered it with the idea of free will and love towards humanity with a lot of words. If God wants someone to love them of their own choice, then eliminating the choice of sin would only leave the option of following God's laws. So in God's way, he gave us an option to be free from sin by the blood of Christ if we so choose to be baptized.The idea of why did he do the whole virgin birth, blood scourging, etc, etc, is beyond me and one could only speculate, but for sure it was planned from the beginning and foreshadowed throughout the law.
The solution did not make the problem go away, the problem of sin continued to multiply. Therefore the solution was a failure. Jesus’s sacrifice was not necessary and was done in vain.
The solution did not make the problem go away, the problem of sin continued to multiply. Therefore the solution was a failure. Jesus’s sacrifice was not necessary and was done in vain.I would agree IF the solution was to dissolve sin entirely, but this is not the case with the death of Jesus. It gave an opportunity for us to choose or decide if we want the sacrifice in our place for sin for our own lives.
In the case of the question asked, “Why did God send Jesus to die for our sins which only continue to multiply when he could have removed sin once and for all?"The solution did not make the problem go away, the problem of sin continued to multiply. Therefore the solution was a failure. Jesus’s sacrifice was not necessary and was done in vain.
The solution did not make the problem go away, the problem of sin continued to multiply. Therefore the solution was a failure. Jesus’s sacrifice was not necessary and was done in vain.I would agree IF the solution was to dissolve sin entirely, but this is not the case with the death of Jesus. It gave an opportunity for us to choose or decide if we want the sacrifice in our place for sin for our own lives.
Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t meant to vanish sin instantly but to free us from its eternal penalty while honoring our free will. From a Christian perspective, sin’s “solution” is not forced upon anyone, because God desires love that is chosen, not coerced. Through the Cross, Christ paid sin’s debt and reopened the path to God, yet we remain free to accept or reject this gift, which is why sin persists. His death is thus a victory, not a failure, because it conquers sin’s ultimate power—eternal separation from God—while offering all who choose it the chance for real transformation and communion with Him.
In the case of the question asked, “Why did God send Jesus to die for our sins which only continue to multiply when he could have removed sin once and for all?"The solution did not make the problem go away, the problem of sin continued to multiply. Therefore the solution was a failure. Jesus’s sacrifice was not necessary and was done in vain.
This doesn't explain why it took a bloody, vile, agonising torturous death to save us from our sins, does it ?
I would agree IF the solution was to dissolve sin entirely, but this is not the case with the death of Jesus. It gave an opportunity for us to choose or decide if we want the sacrifice in our place for sin for our own lives.
In the case of the question asked, “Why did God send Jesus to die for our sins which only continue to multiply when he could have removed sin once and for all?"The solution did not make the problem go away, the problem of sin continued to multiply. Therefore the solution was a failure. Jesus’s sacrifice was not necessary and was done in vain.I probably have not portrayed this correctly since you just repeat what you said before. You say that Jesus's death would have removed all sin once and for all, but sin is still around and ever multiplying. That is true if you are referring to a worldwide problem. Sin is obviously in the world and many people are taking part of it.
What I am saying is that Jesus's death was not a cure all, for all, whether they believe or not. It was not a "I just saved all of you, if you wanted it or not" kind of thing. It provided an opportunity for us to take part of the sacrifice of Jesus's death, removing the burden of sin on ones who believed in his death, that is baptism.
It was a cure all to the individual himself/herself that believed, not humanity as a whole. I'm not sure what people you hang around that call themselves Christians, but the people I know are true Christians and keep themselves away from sin and are not bond by that sin any longer. Therefore, sin is removed IN THEIR LIVES, once and for all. They are changed people and refuse to be what they were before, slaves to sin.
This doesn't explain why it took a bloody, vile, agonising torturous death to save us from our sins, does it ?Sure doesn't and I've said before that it is only speculation why it happened just like that.do you drink coffee or tea or neither in the morning?
Shila wrote: Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
DavidAZZ wrote: You [Shila ]say that Jesus's death would have removed all sin once and for all, but sin is still around and ever multiplying. That is true if you are referring to a worldwide problem. Sin is obviously in the world and many people are taking part of it.
Well Hebrew actually states that sins were washed away" once and for all ".
There's a whole ministry here where the apostles were sent to carry out planting seed, watering and God giving the increase. Now this was all established to be from before the foundation of the world.
Irrelevant to the thread. And Irrelevant to my question. Which I remind you was:Instead of any story about miraculous conception, virgins, exiles, , arrests , trial, torture, blood scourging, crowns of thorns, and crucifixion, and rising from once being dead why couldn't god simply have waved his hand and tell the people of all nations of all the world that their sins have been forgiven and that he has banished and scourged all sin and evil from the earth for eternity and never shall it return.?
