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@Shila
What exactly kind of Christian are you?
The trinity doctrine.
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@MAV99
What exactly kind of Christian are you?
It says in my profile I am a Catholic.
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@Shila
That is not what the Catholic Church teaches.
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@MAV99
That is not what the Catholic Church teaches.
The Catholic Church teaches the Trinity of God. I am a Catholic. I accept the Trinity.
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@Shila
I believe you. Notice, I don't think you are obstinate heretic. But what you said about the Trinity is not what the Catholic Church says.
St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Teologica can give you a much better explanation.
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@MAV99
I believe you. Notice, I don't think you are obstinate heretic. But what you said about the Trinity is not what the Catholic Church says.St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Teologica can give you a much better explanation.
Catholic view on the Trinity.
"Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son's is another, the Holy Spirit's another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory ...
St. Thomas Aquinas begins his teaching on the Trinity by asserting that "God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit," and that these are not three but one God. Further, God's Word is also part of his existence.
What Shila posted about the Trinity.
For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is all one. … So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
God is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit. But the two are one. God also came to earth as Jesus.
John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
So god is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit, he also appeared to us as Jesus. But the three are one.
Note the three concepts are the same.
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@Shila
That trinity doctrine is refusing you to say there is only one spirit even though the scripture says there's is one spirit. You can't even say what the scripture says.
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@MAV99
Is Father God the holy Spirit?
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@Mall
That trinity doctrine is refusing you to say there is only one spirit even though the scripture says there's is one spirit. You can't even say what the scripture says.
Trinity do trinity says the same thing as scriptures. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
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@Shila
Does it say there's one spirit?
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@Mall
No.
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@Shila
God is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit.
No He does not. That would mean the Person if the Father is the same as the Person of the Holy Ghost, which is heresy.
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@MAV99
God is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit.No He does not. That would mean the Person if the Father is the same as the Person of the Holy Ghost, which is heresy.
Is God the Father, and the Holy Spirit the same?
The doctrine of the Trinity means there is only one God, yet He exists in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Understanding the difference between these three distinct Persons helps us grasp the complexity and unity of God's nature.
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@MAV99
What exactly kind of Christian are you?
The pretend-for-trolling kind.
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@Castin
What exactly kind of Christian are you?The pretend-for-trolling kind.
You might be best equipped to explain the Trinity.
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@Shila
They are the same Substantially.
They are not the same person.
All are God. Each one is God. But they are not each other. We cannot say the Father appears as the Holy Spirit. That would imply they are the same Person.
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@MAV99
They are the same Substantially.They are not the same person.All are God. Each one is God. But they are not each other. We cannot say the Father appears as the Holy Spirit. That would imply they are the same Person.
Your explanation goes against the Monotheism in Judaism and Christianity.
Monotheism Definition & Meaning
: the doctrine or belief that there is but one God; historically related forms of monotheism as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Trying understanding what the Catholics are saying about the Trinity.
Is God the Father, and the Holy Spirit the same?
The doctrine of the Trinity means there is only one God, yet He exists in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Understanding the difference between these three distinct Persons helps us grasp the complexity and unity of God's nature.
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@MAV99
So by your response you're saying no the Father is not holy nor spirit. Blasphemy.
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@Mall
You do know we call the Third Person of the Trinity the Holy Spirit, right?
Yes, God the Father is holy and a spirit. So, in english which I am not convinced you speak and understand very well, we would say that God the Father is holy and a spirit.
Yes, God the Father is holy and a spirit. So, in english which I am not convinced you speak and understand very well, we would say that God the Father is holy and a spirit.
To say that God the Father is God the Holy Spirit is wrong. So, I did not blaspheme.
Maybe make your questions more clear.
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@Mall
So by your response you're saying no the Father is not holy nor spirit. Blasphemy.
God is a spirit and appears to us as the Holy Spirit. The two are one.
Trying understanding what the Catholics are saying about the Trinity.
Is God the Father, and the Holy Spirit the same?
The doctrine of the Trinity means there is only one God, yet He exists in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Understanding the difference between these three distinct Persons helps us grasp the complexity and unity of God's nature.
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@MAV99
It's either a yes or no. You talk about understanding English but I suggest you understand simplicity for a change instead of trying to confound folks.
You said no. Do you wanna change it and take it back?
Do you wanna say yes or no?
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@Shila
Does the scripture say there's one spirit?
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@Mall
Does the scripture say there's one spirit?
It does!
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
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@Shila
"It does!"
Finally.
And 1 John 5 doesn't say it but you're on the right track.
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@Mall
"It does!"Finally.And 1 John 5 doesn't say it but you're on the right track.
It does!!
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
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@Mall
I answered the question as I understood it.
You asked: Is Father God the Holy Spirit?
I said no, because The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity, not the First Person who is the God the Father.
You then said that I blasphemed because you thought I said that The Father is not holy nor a spirit.
Do you see the problem with your question? It is not a simple question as you seem to think.
Words mean something. When we are speaking of the Trinity it is important what words we are using and how we are using them.
So, ask the question, clearly expressing what you want to know. If it helps, here is how you could ask them:
1. Is God the Father God the Holy Spirit?
Or
2. Is God the Father a spirit and holy?
Both of those questions can be understood in what you asked. So be clear, especially since you seem to be willing to throw around some serious accusations like saying someone blasphemed.
If you can't be clear because you don't understand English or you have a terrible translator, then don't expect any constructive conversation.
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@Shila
What I said is the teaching of the Catholic Church according to Her dogmatic Theology following the thought of St. Thomas Aquinas.
Go read: Divinum illud munus. By Leo XIII.
I have no idea where you are getting your explanation from. It is most certainly not what the Catholic Church teaches.
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@MAV99
You asked: Is Father God the Holy Spirit?
1. Is God the Father God the Holy Spirit?
Or
2. Is God the Father a spirit and holy?
All three should be yes because they are asking the same thing.
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@Shila
Is God the Father God the Holy Spirit?
The answer to this is no, as clearly stated by St. Thomas Aquinas, The Council of Trent and the Magisterium of the Church.
The First Person of the Trinity is not The Third Person of the Trinity.
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@MAV99
Is God the Father God the Holy Spirit?The answer to this no, as clearly stated by St. Thomas Aquinas, The Council of Trent and the Magisterium of the Church.The First Person of the Trinity is not The Third Person of the Trinity.
That is not what St. Thomas Aquinas teaches.
In fact he teaches the opposite and that these are not three but one God.
St. Thomas Aquinas begins his teaching on the Trinity by asserting that "God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit," and that these are not three but one God. Further, God's Word is also part of his existence. Aquinas calls speech the offspring of the intellect, which he conceives as its father.