The trinity doctrine.

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Correct, the Father is the holy Spirit.
Yes so if you agree with the trinity than why are you trying to argue against it?

If you can agree that  the father the son and the holy ghost are all God than what's your issue?
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Correct, the Father is the holy Spirit.
Yes so if you agree with the trinity than why are you trying to argue against it?

If you can agree that  the father the son and the holy ghost are all God than what's your issue?
Mall just wants to know if the trinity doctrine can be defended.
All things lead to the Trinity.
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.

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Is the Father Holy?
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The issue is denying the Father being the holy Ghost. Now if you want to call that trinity, by your words you're justified and by them you're also condemned .
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Is the Father Holy?
God the father is Holy and the Holy Spirit.
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The issue is denying the Father being the holy Ghost.
Yes, despite them completely unique and separate they are also the exact same. It's a concept too complex and bug for the human mind, it's like writing in binary instead of how we are now. It's not something humans can do and stupid to try. You only need to know that both entities are completely their own being while also being non separate being that are not unique. 
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The issue is denying the Father being the holy Ghost. Now if you want to call that trinity, by your words you're justified and by them you're also condemned .
Mall raises his own issue with the Trinity.

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Many folks that believe in the Trinity say the Father is not the holy Spirit.

They go from 1 John 5:7 to Jesus in the water at the baptism saying the Father was just in heaven and the holy Spirit descended.
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There is only one spirit, which is holy and the Father according to the scriptures. The only separation is the distinct wording or titles.
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As the scripture say, debate thy cause.
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@Mall
There is only one spirit, which is holy and the Father according to the scriptures. The only separation is the distinct wording or titles.
Correct. There is only one spirit. However there is also only 3 spirits that are that one spirit
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@Mall
Many folks that believe in the Trinity say the Father is not the holy Spirit.

They go from 1 John 5:7 to Jesus in the water at the baptism saying the Father was just in heaven and the holy Spirit descended.

Is the Holy Spirit and God the same person?
For the majority of Christian denominations, the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Holy Trinity – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and is Almighty God. As such he is personal and also fully God, co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and the Son of God.

1 John 5:7 comes after Jesus’s baptism which is mentioned in John 1.

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"Correct. There is only one spirit. However there is also only 3 spirits that are that one spirit"

How is this not a contradiction?

This is double talk. You don't even have scripture that says this. The scripture doesn't say these three spirits are one. It says these three .

The three are the Father, that's God,The Word, that's God , the holy ghost, that's God.

Now I said God three times but that doesn't mean three Gods. It's one God according to the scriptures, one spirit. So it's three times that one God is being referred to .

Some where along the way people come up with adding spirits like you did, adding persons, adding personalities, that's all made up.
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"Is the Holy Spirit and God the same person?"

I don't know about"person ". According to the scriptures these two, meaning these two identifiers are referring to the same spirit.

Then once you know that from scripture, you drop this "equal" rhetoric as the scripture teaches who is my equal?
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@Mall
"Is the Holy Spirit and God the same person?"
God is a spirit. He appears to us as the Holy Spirit.
The two are one.

I don't know about"person ". According to the scriptures these two, meaning these two identifiers are referring to the same spirit.
Person is a personification of God.God is a spirit. He appears to us as the Holy Spirit.

Then once you know that from scripture, you drop this "equal" rhetoric as the scripture teaches who is my equal?
The Bible is clear that all three entities are each one hundred percent God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all fully God. For example, it says of Christ that “in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9).
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How is this not a contradiction?
God explaining this to you would be like you trying to teach an Ant algebra. The Bible says the trinity exists though not explicitly.  You can choose to believe what God tells you or not. That's on you
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"God is a spirit. He appears to us as the Holy Spirit.
The two are one."

The two what?

"Person is a personification"

So what is personification?

"The Bible is clear that all three entities "

What is an entity?
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You said three spirits where scriptures says there's one. So come on back to bible.
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It's mentioned several times and you just want to ignore it. In John 1:1 is another example. I showed you the John the baptist example where God shows his triple self but in John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
So it's literally stating that Jesus was with God, meaning they are 2 separate entities. It than says the word was God showing they are the same exact entity
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@Mall
"God is a spirit. He appears to us as the Holy Spirit.
The two are one."

The two what?
God and the Holy Spirit.

"Person is a personification"

So what is personification?
the attribution of a personal nature or human characteristics to something nonhuman, or the representation of an abstract quality in human form.
Eg. God is a spirit. Calling him a person is to personify him.

"The Bible is clear that all three entities "

What is an entity?
 a : being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence
b : the existence of a thing as contrasted with its attributes.
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If it wasn't for that stupid song , the day the music died,
American pie , is it.?
If it wasnt for that song ,   the trinity would be deemed alot more ummmm stupider. 

That song does play a factor in this belief of a holy trinity but. 


Oh darn it. 
Now ive that stupid song in my head. 
 
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If it wasn't for that stupid song , the day the music died,
American pie , is it.?
If it wasnt for that song ,   the trinity would be deemed alot more ummmm stupider.

That song does play a factor in this belief of a holy trinity but.


Oh darn it.
Now ive that stupid song in my head.
There’s general agreement that the song is about the cultural and political decline of the US in the 1960s, a farewell to the American dream after the assassination of President Kennedy. “Bye bye Miss American Pie,” he sings. “Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry.” But McLean has always kept stumm about the allusions in his verses. “Carly Simon’s still being coy about who You’re So Vain was written about,” he says. “So who cares, who gives a fuck?”

You need to find another Trinity Song.
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"God and the Holy Spirit."

Is this one spirit or two?
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"God and the Holy Spirit."

Is this one spirit or two?

"God is a spirit. He appears to us as the Holy Spirit.
The two are one."

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Is it one or two spirits?
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Is it one or two spirits?
The two are one.
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I don't know if you can answer whether it is more than one spirit or not.

You keep saying the two, the two. Then if I ask two what, you make it complicated. So I simplify it with the basic question regarding the nature of God. It comes down to the nature.

One more time, is there more than one spirit of God?

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I don't know if you can answer whether it is more than one spirit or not.

You keep saying the two, the two. Then if I ask two what, you make it complicated. So I simplify it with the basic question regarding the nature of God. It comes down to the nature.

One more time, is there more than one spirit of God?
God is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit. But the two are one.
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Is there anyone here that can defend it?Is there any one here that can debate it?

I don't speak for protestants, but the Catholic Church merely only shows how what was revealed about it is not unreasonable. She does not attempt to give an explanation to understand it since She holds it as a Mystery.
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I don't speak for protestants, but the Catholic Church merely only shows how what was revealed about it is not unreasonable. She does not attempt to give an explanation to understand it since She holds it as a Mystery.
God is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit. But the two are one. God also came to earth as Jesus.

John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

So god is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit, he also appeared to us as Jesus. But the three are one.