Please Explain, Christians

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Which person's opinion says that its best? Did you ask a woman what she actually wants? No, you didnt!
If you didn’t ask the woman to rape her, why would you ask her to marry you? The law forces you to pay for raping the woman.
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The laws of relationships and such are intricate and complex. Taking a verse and expecting to explain it in a vacuum is not fruitful. 
In other words "these aren't the droids you're looking for" NOW GO AWAY BEFORE I TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME!

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The laws of relationships and such are intricate and complex. Taking a verse and expecting to explain it in a vacuum is not fruitful. 
In other words "these aren't the droids you're looking for" NOW GO AWAY BEFORE I TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME!
The Jews came up with 613 more commandments after God showed them his backside. After he refused to show Moses his glory(penis).

Exodus 33:18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”
20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my front, for no one may see it and live.”
23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my front must not be seen.”

This is why the Jews could not recognize Jesus who did not show his backside to anyone besides his disciple and then told them not to speak about it., Therefore the Jews  could not compare backsides.
Because Jesus told his disciples not to tell anyone what they saw.
Matthew 16:20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone…
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In other words "these aren't the droids you're looking for" NOW GO AWAY BEFORE I TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME!
why use other words? Why not just react to the actual words I used. The fact is, Jewish law is complicated and goes well beyond any literal reading of the text. If you don't like that or don't want to accept it, who cares?
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The fact is, Jewish law is complicated
Jewish law?

If it was only claimed to be jewish law then I don't think anybody would be surprised. It's the ones who think this stuff was directly related commandments from god that have some explainin to do.

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Jewish law is (as per Jewish understanding) law given to us by God.
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Bringing us back to: god is telling you people can be owned is he not?
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In terms of the rules of slavery, God is acknowledging that that was a thing in society so many oppressive rules were added to discourage people from owning others.
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If god is willing to give half-truth commandments to accommodate the contemporary culture, how can you trust anything else?
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God is acknowledging that that was a thing in society
I guess I am glad I follow Gods who actually ban slavery.
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what's a "half-truth commandment"?
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have fun with your gods!
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what's a "half-truth commandment"?
Truth: slavery is always wrong
Half-truth: slavery should be inconvenient

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In other words "these aren't the droids you're looking for" NOW GO AWAY BEFORE I TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME!
why use other words? Why not just react to the actual words I used. The fact is, Jewish law is complicated and goes well beyond any literal reading of the text. If you don't like that or don't want to accept it, who cares?
Jewish law is complicated because it was created by a fictitious character called Moses.

The British Museum's leading expert on the archaeology of the Holy Land, Jonathan Tubb, said last week: 'Professor Thompson may well be right in many of his arguments. His book is a work of tremendous scholarship. He has been meticulous in his research, and brave in expressing what many of us have thought intuitively for a long time but have been reticent in saying.'

Excavations have found no trace of a settled population around Judea and Jerusalem during the 10th century BC, when the Kingdom of David and Solomon was supposed to have flourished. A community that could have supported a kingdom did not form in Judea until at least a century later, Professor Thompson said. Jerusalem did not become a large and politically influential city until about 650 BC.

The Israelite nation, he believes, was a creation of the Persian Empire and was formed around 450 BC. But the people who were moved to Jerusalem at that time were not the descendants of those who had been deported from the city after the Bablyonian capture in 586 BC. They were descendants of Syrian, Philistine, Phoenician, Judean, and other peoples who had also been forcibly deported to Babylon.
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you are using your value judgment and applying it to the world of the text. That's a logical error.


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@rosends
you are using your value judgment and applying it to the world of the text. That's a logical error.
No it is not. Creating elaborate structures of redefinition and reinterpretation which you do not apply consistently is a logical error.

If what god says can't be trusted to give the whole truth and nothing but the truth regardless of transient human error then either he isn't god or his goal is not to tell us the truth but something else.
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@rosends
you are using your value judgment and applying it to the world of the text. That's a logical error.

He is merely stating facts.

what's a "half-truth commandment"?
Truth: slavery is always wrong
Half-truth: slavery should be inconvenient

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This is why you call God cruel , right.
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This is why you call God cruel , right.
God is cruel. He sacrificed his son Jesus to save the Jews even though they rejected him. Jesus even lamented on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
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No it is not. Creating elaborate structures of redefinition and reinterpretation which you do not apply consistently is a logical error.
I don't recall doing that. I'm simply pointing out that your value position about something's being "always wrong" is irrelevant as the text's position trumps yours, and that your ignorance of text means that your statements about it are potentially wrong. 
If what god says can't be trusted to give the whole truth and nothing but the truth regardless of transient human error then either he isn't god or his goal is not to tell us the truth but something else.
good thing he gives us the whole truth then! thanks for validating my position!
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@rosends
your value position about something's being "always wrong" is irrelevant as the text's position trumps yours,
because it came from god, therefore slavery should be inconvenient but not forbidden.

Also don't try to union set this "well just because he tells you how to keep slaves doesn't mean that he's telling you slavery must be permitted"

That's like finding a recipe for pork belly in there and saying "look, pork is still forbidden, just if we're GOING to sin we may as well follow the recipe god gave us". It doesn't work and any honest person would admit it.

This is what a perfect god would say about slavery (if it was immoral as we now believe): Don't hold slaves. If this commandment is too burdensome don't mistreat your slaves or else your punishment will be worse.
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A "perfect GOD" would show up regularly for a chat and a sort out.

And certainly wouldn't be the stupid fecker from the comedy bible.
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True
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A "perfect GOD" would show up regularly for a chat and a sort out.

I won't be surprised if the Reverend will be along shortly to ask you to define the word " regularly", Vic. You know, with "a day being a thousand years in the ways of the lord"  etc.       
2 Peter 3:8


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because it came from god, therefore slavery should be inconvenient but not forbidden.

because it came from God, it is so inconvenient so as to change entire societies without driving anyone away with absolutes that would not be observed.

Also don't try to union set this "well just because he tells you how to keep slaves doesn't mean that he's telling you slavery must be permitted"
admittedly, I don't know what "union set" means, but if you don't like that approach, then that's fine. Under the law, the death penalty is possible but is so highly regulated as to be almost impossible in practicality. Same thing.

That's like finding a recipe for pork belly in there and saying "look, pork is still forbidden, just if we're GOING to sin we may as well follow the recipe god gave us". It doesn't work and any honest person would admit it.
Some say that that was God's intention regarding eating meat. People are going to do it so God regulated it and made it more difficult to encourage poeple to be vegetarians. Again, who cares what your opinion is?

This is what a perfect god would say about slavery (if it was immoral as we now believe): Don't hold slaves. If this commandment is too burdensome don't mistreat your slaves or else your punishment will be worse.
this is what your vision of a perfect god would say. Why is your vision supposed to convince me of anything?

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Why is your vision supposed to convince me of anything?
It's not, just making sure you have no substantial counterarguments.

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I cannot counter your fantasies.
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A "perfect GOD" would show up regularly for a chat and a sort out.
Well at least in a burning bush.
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Well at least in a burning bush
I wonder why God doesnt do that anymore. Or any other miracles. Or anything.
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Well at least in a burning bush
I wonder why God doesnt do that anymore. Or any other miracles. Or anything.
He never did, he doesn't exist, what has changed now is people now have considerable powers of investigation and the bias against skeptics in the historical record has evaporated.