Atheists that believe no God exists due to no evidence known is a weak basis.

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@Mall

Atheists believe there is God. This is false.
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@Mall
Atheism is a religion.
I always find it amusing when religious people accuse atheists of being religious. All I hear is "yeah my views are ridiculous, but yours are just as bad as mine". Well, at least we agree on the standing of your views...
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@Stephen
GOD!!! your ignorance is blinding! People of all ages die in their sleep all the time and without any obvious underlying cause. 
I think we're talking about different things when relating to "evidence" so I am going to elaborate. (although I am speaking for myself and not the person you responded to)

Yeah, imaginatively you could simply not wake up tomorrow, we never know, like you said, it happens all the time to all kinds of people. And like you said, it can happen without any obvious underlying cause.

However, that's an argument against "evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt", not a sufficient argument against "evidence beyond reasonable doubt"

I have slept and woken up for more than 11,000 days now. While there does indeed exist imaginable doubts that I will wake up tomorrow, there is not a reasonable doubt. The fact that I have woken up for more than 11,000 days and am currently in good health proves to me, beyond a reasonable doubt, that I am going to wake up tomorrow. It might not completely dispel *all* doubt, but whatever doubts there can exist, they are unreasonable. Maybe my heart suddenly and inexplicably stops during my sleep, or maybe a burglar breaks into my apartment and slits my throat without me waking up. These are imaginably possible. But they are not reasonable possibilities. And so I can sleep without fear of dying in my sleep.
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Many atheists believe that gods are a human invention rather than the other way round. God didn't create us in his image, but we created gods in ours. 'It's interesting that old gods look so much like the human beings that made them. Desert dwellers invented harsh and dry austere gods.

Even the Bible narrative about God creating the universe in 6 days has been refuted by science.
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@Mall
Atheism is a religion.
Not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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@Sidewalker
Not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Doing nothing is not a hobby.
What is and isn't a hobby?
anything! If it's something that you do because you love it and want to do it well (and not because someone told you were supposed to), then it's a hobby. A hobby is something you do to relax and enjoy yourself.

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@Shila
Your programming cant understand sarcasm?
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Farting is not a hobby either.
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r/woosh simply means that a joke went over your head. It's not meant to insult you in any way, just a form of Reddit etiquette that people use.



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@FLRW
r/woosh simply means that a joke went over your head. It's not meant to insult you in any way, just a form of Reddit etiquette that people use.
The worse thing a person can do is r/woosh fart over a persons head.
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@cristo71
No it's all true when you think about it .
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@borz_kriffle
"You do have evidence that you will wake up tomorrow. You have woken up every other day of your entire life, you likely are sleeping in an environment you know is safe, you know you don’t have any illnesses, et cetera. "

You are not the first to use this fallacious argument. A lot of things happen out of nowhere in life because we didn't see it coming. If there was evidence of the next moment, we would see it.  Likelihood is not evidence.

"If you didn’t have evidence you would wake up tomorrow, you’d be fucking terrified of sleep, given that you have no experience or knowledge on the subject. "

This goes against what I just said or the point I made. I'm not terrified because I have FAITH in seeing another day alive. I believe I will. I have no evidence of me being alive the next moment to make an applicable subsequent response at all. I have no evidence as I have none of which team will win the Superbowl. I can't absolutely predict the future. Again , likelihood, probability, prediction is not evidence.

"Not to mention that you might even assume sleep is death itself, though I suppose you could know of death still if you erased your knowledge of sleep."

I know what sleep and death is. I could die in my sleep. I could die before I go to sleep. You have no evidence of neither not happening.

"And while you could technically explain away all the contradictions and bullshit in the Bible and say no one has ever “disproved it”, no one has proven it either. Or even been able to present a single piece of non-anecdotal evidence. "

You got to prove the contradictions. Otherwise there only perceived contradictions. If you've never read and studied scripture, all you have is just what you think just like you think you're going to wake up tomorrow.

"And finally, yes, there is technically evidence for miracles. That isn’t a “gotcha!”, that’s just the truth, as we have written down multiple stories from witnesses to miracles."

Ok where did the miracles come from, who caused them?



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@Best.Korea
One more time .

You only have one choice to make out of two.

Atheists believe there is no God.
Atheists believe there is God.

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Yes wise not to say the opposite of atheists believing no God exists.
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@Mall
You only have one choice to make out of two.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Atheists believe there is God.
Its not only one choice. They can believe in God one day, and not believe in God the other day. They can also at the same time have different parts of their brain one believing in God and one not believing in God. Its simple.
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@Best.Korea
It’s not only one choice. They can believe in God one day, and not believe in God the other day. They can also at the same time have different parts of their brain one believing in God and one not believing in God. Its simple.
An atheist does not believe in the existence of God. Anyone who believes in God is not an atheist by definition.
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Yes .
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@Owen_T
Atheism is a religion. Plus no scripture supports God to be cruel.
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@Stephen
"What do you mean by - disprove the bible?"

Proven the Bible to be false.


"And you can give some examples of " charging false contradictions", can you ?"

Yes . Every time somebody charges one.

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@Castin
Atheism is a religion because you ultimately have faith there is no God .
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@Best.Korea
I feel like you're combining atheists and agnostics. An atheist's belief is that there is absolutely NO God. An agnostic is uncertain or uncaring about whether there is a divine being. If you are an "atheist" that believes in a god in any way, shape, or form than you are not truly an atheist.
Deism is another option, where one believes that there is a god but he is largely uninvolved in the world and we have no responsibility to him. 
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@FLRW
That's right .

Atheists believe there is God .

Atheists believe there is no God.

The first statement is only false.

Many struggle even just saying that.
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@Double_R
All people upon sound mature mind are religious. No such thing as separation of church/religion and state is because of that 
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@Mall
All people upon sound mature mind are religious. No such thing as separation of church/religion and state is because of that 
The U.S. constitution demands a separation of Religion and State which was why bibles were banned from schools in the first place.
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@Mall
One more time .

You only have one choice to make out of two.

Atheists believe there is no God.
Atheists believe there is God.

That is a false dichotomy, a dichotomy you simply declare without proper enough supporting reason. The agnostic atheist does not believe there is God and does not believe in the non-existence of God.


Again, I'll throw the same logic back at you but replacing atheist with your usage of agnostic and lets see if it holds ground.

You only have one choice to make out of two.

Agnostics believe there is no God.
Agnostics believe there is God.
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@Hero1000
Agnostics believe there is no God.
Agnostics believe there is God.
Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
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@Mall
Nobody I know of has disproved the bible.

What do you mean by - disprove the bible?

Proven the Bible to be false.
Then you don't get about much, do you?




There are plenty of people that misunderstand the Bible charging false contradictions giving that as grounds to prove false where it's nowhere close.

And you can give some examples of " charging false contradictions", can you ?
Yes . Every time somebody charges one.

So you are claiming then that anyone that highlights biblical contradictions you can explain why the charge is false and prove the charge to be false?
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Nobody I know of has disproved the bible.

What do you mean by - disprove the bible?

Proven the Bible to be false.
Then you don't get about much, do you?
He doesn’t have to go too far to reach a Bible to validate the facts. He probably owns a bible or gets it off the internet.
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@Mall
Atheism is a religion because you ultimately have faith there is no God .
And here we are reframing an absence of belief as the presence of faith in a transparent attempt to equalize perceived fault on both sides.