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@Mall
As Zed said, Atheists do not believe that there is a known deity because deistic hypotheses are based on weak evidence.
Atheists that believe no God exists due to no evidence known is a weak basis.
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@borz_kriffle
Since you seem to have failed to comprehend any of the last 2 paragraphs, I’ll spell it out for you:
Nice.
We have found explanations for almost everything in this world. With research, we continue to find more.The evidence always points away from the supernatural.
I can agree with that.
The only people who recorded miracles did so on paper and had the education of a 12th grader at most.
Miracles?
[A] Such as raising the dead ?
That is the reason that I don’t believe in a god, and actively assert his nonexistence.
Sounds reasonable enough to me.
Because everything leaves evidence except for him.
Well that's where you will always run into problems where the believer is concerned. According to the theist, he doesn't need proof, his beliefs are simply faith based. And that is why that for all of their denials, they do not understand nor do they accept that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, for it is they and the scriptures that make the claims - of "miracles".
and actively assert his nonexistence
Good for you. Is all you need now is to learn how to hold an argument without having to resort to redundant examples.
I will show you what I mean if you can answer my question above at [A]
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@Mall
I came across a strong atheist once who claimed no gods existed because energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
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@Stephen
Redundancy means unneeded due to being repetitive. Each of my examples were useful and different in key ways that illustrated my point, if a little out there in terms of connection to reality. Still, if you failed to understand them, that is much more on you than me, because you are not my intended audience and (more importantly) are likely 14, given your obsession with age.
Now, I don’t owe you anything, but I’m intrigued to see how much more shit you can spew, so I’ll bite. Yes, Stephen. Such as raising the dead.
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@borz_kriffle
14, given your obsession with age
It was you that childishly spoke of "unicorns", AND "miracles" you fkn clown. Hence I asked your age only once. Hardly an obsession.
Each of my examples were useful and different in key ways that illustrated my point
Nope. They are pointless and unnecessary.
Redundancy means unneeded due to being repetitive.
Indeed and redund-ant means : not needed or useful; superfluous. Hence your examples are redundant . And obviously something else you fail to understand.
Miracles? Such as raising the dead.Yes, Stephen. Such as raising the dead.
I'll try and keep it simple ...... for you
Christians as you know believe and will have us believe that Jesus brought back from the dead three rotten stinking corpses and deem these to be miracles.
What they don't like to hear is that these so called "miracles" were nothing more than initiations: a ritualistic raising from one level (dead) into the Jesus movement (The living). Once in the movement one can be raised to another /higher level or degree. As wa the meaning of water into wine, making a blind man see etc .
To simplify:
Initiates of Jesus' circle called themselves - the living, while anyone not part of his movement were referred to as "the dead".
And I believe the bible proves my point.
you are not my intended audience
Well again your blinding ignorance of many things is on full display. This is a forum open to anyone .
Do you not believe Jesus existed at all, borz_kriffle ?
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@Stephen
Superfluous…. Means…. Unnecessary, often due to abundance. That’s high school level vocab, if I’m being quite generous.
As for your shitty little argument:
I wasn’t talking about those people. I was talking about the insistence that most Christians have that Jesus himself rose from the dead, idk if you’ve heard of that story, it’s only the most well-known resurrection story of the modern day. But even if I was talking about that, why does it matter? Some people still claim Jesus resurrected others, you said so yourself. So no, I don’t believe in their religion, and I most certainly don’t believe in your version, which seems to pretend that the utter nonsense in the Bible makes any sense at all by claiming it was entirely metaphorical or some shit.
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@borz_kriffle
I wasn’t talking about those people.
Those people being Christians that believe Jesus performed miracles and was also god?
I was talking about the insistence that most Christians have that Jesus himself rose from the dead.
Well there is absolutely no roof that Jesus' three day old rotten stinking corpse came back to life, to my knowledge.
idk if you’ve heard of that story, it’s only the most well-known resurrection story of the modern day.
Ya don't say! "MODERN DAY!!!? the story is over 2,020 years old FFS! There are stories abound about people coming back from the dead in our time.... I just don't believe them.
But even if I was talking about that, why does it matter? Some people still claim Jesus resurrected others, you said so yourself.
Indeed, the scriptures also claim as such if we are to take the raising from the "dead" as literal and factual stories.
So no, I don’t believe in their religion,
Once again, you show your ignorance. "their religion" is real. But it is what they base their religion on is where their problems arise. You absolute clown.
and I most certainly don’t believe in your version,
That matters not and is irrelevant. But it is a better and a more feasible as an explanation for the so called miracles. I say this on the basis that these people didn't write such things down simply for the sake of , well, writing things down.
which seems to pretend that the utter nonsense in the Bible makes any sense at all by claiming it was entirely metaphorical
The New testamant is riddled with metaphor , allegory and idioms. Something you should learn before attempting to argue with a full blown devout Christian believer.
Do you not believe Jesus existed at all, borz_kriffle ?
or some shit.
Which you appear to speak a lot of.
Off you go now you absolute cretin.
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@borz_kriffle
" "No evidence” is actually the main way we dismiss everything in this world, and it works pretty great. "
I don't know who "we" is. I don't dismiss everything because no evidence is presented.
Let alone evidence that could exist but is unbeknownst to me.
Before we even touch on your examples, I'm gonna say this. I have no evidence to my knowledge I'll wake up tomorrow. I don't dismiss the existence of tomorrow nor dismiss my belief and optimism in plans of what I intend to do.
So this issue with not dismissing the spirit of God, something is not quite right there. It's more to that or something.
"He says it’s a touchscreen issue, and offers to repair it for a beer."
"Tell me, would you still insist that it could just be the router?"
Depends whether the issue was resolved after the fact.
"there’s only 2 pieces of evidence, and both seem to point towards his innocence. "
"Would you still say he’s guilty?"
No.
"Finally, you’re enjoying a hot cup of joe when your 8 year old runs into the room and says that he saw a unicorn outside. When you go to its supposed location, there is no trace of anything.
Would you even entertain the thought that there’s a unicorn in your backyard?"
Yes.
"The answer is quite simple: in some cases, the lack of evidence for an event is actually evidence for the contrary."
Some, not all and in the case of God, there is no evidence for the non existence of.
"Not to mention the innate fallibility of your source here, which leads me to the disbelief of all holy books that describe effectual supernatural events."
Nobody I know of has disproved the bible. There are plenty of people that misunderstand the Bible charging false contradictions giving that as grounds to prove false where it's nowhere close.
"To conclude, the Antitheist position that I hold, which asserts that there definitively is no god and if there is they are not worthy of worship, is admittedly a very strong stance to take on something widely debated. "
You don't even have proof for there being no God if we talking about the spirit of God. You indirectly acknowledge that you don't as you say " if there is".
Atheists that believe, I say believe there is no God due so not on the basis of evidence but the lack thereof which makes the basis even weaker.
"But the experts have explained the events, the many tiny flaws in most religions show its unlikeliness to be true, and the fact that the only evidence we have for miracles is anecdotal and reliant on comparatively uneducated witnesses just makes it easier and easier for me to definitively state that god does not exist."
You said the "only evidence we have". So just by what you just said, evidence exist for miracles. Now if you want to take the position that they don't automatically tie to God, that's another subject. "Unlikeliness" is not proof so your statement of God not existing is unfounded touching the spirit.
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@cristo71
That atheist hasn't proven no God exists. All atheists deciding to disbelieve, all atheists, something personally and emotionally has influenced them along with disagreeing with the tenets., things not clicking.
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@FLRW
Yeah they believe no God exists that's right with exception of themselves.
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@Reece101
And .01 percent something other. I'm atheist of many gods for the sake of reason.
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@zedvictor4
Atheists believe there is no God. If you say that's false, you're conveying the opposite is true which would mean they believe in God.
You guys are fighting the word "believe". The word Itself is not an issue because it's the same conveyance in reverse.
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@Stephen
ok you’re trolling now. I take rage bait far too often lol. Go jack off to the idea that you made me waste 30 minutes of my time, or whatever you guys do when we stop responding.
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@FLRW
By saying no , go ahead and elaborate on your response.
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@FLRW
You only have one choice to make out of two.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Atheists believe there is God.
Which one of those must be false?
Atheists believe there is no God.
Atheists believe there is God.
Which one of those must be false?
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@Mall
That atheist hasn't proven no God exists. All atheists deciding to disbelieve, all atheists, something personally and emotionally has influenced them along with disagreeing with the tenets., things not clicking.
Your first claim is true but not profound because it is universally true. Your second claim is unproven.
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@Mall
You do have evidence that you will wake up tomorrow. You have woken up every other day of your entire life, you likely are sleeping in an environment you know is safe, you know you don’t have any illnesses, et cetera. If you didn’t have evidence you would wake up tomorrow, you’d be fucking terrified of sleep, given that you have no experience or knowledge on the subject. Not to mention that you might even assume sleep is death itself, though I suppose you could know of death still if you erased your knowledge of sleep.
And while you could technically explain away all the contradictions and bullshit in the Bible and say no one has ever “disproved it”, no one has proven it either. Or even been able to present a single piece of non-anecdotal evidence.
And finally, yes, there is technically evidence for miracles. That isn’t a “gotcha!”, that’s just the truth, as we have written down multiple stories from witnesses to miracles. That’s what we call “anecdotal evidence”, and it’s actually quite hard to weigh in many situations, such as: should I treat the word of a direct witness with a GED or a secondhand witness with a related PHD with more weight? But this is not one of those situations. These people are objectively dumber than 80 percent of the US population, I’m sure, and I honestly wouldn’t even trust the word of the dumber 40 percent of the US without some cursory google searches.
If there was like ummm, something ya couldn't claim .
YA WOULDN'T place it at the forefront.
No not forefront . I mean .
You wouldn't make it the most important thing everrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Yar mean.
Ya wouldn't research just one book on the subject would you.
You would live the rest of ya days out in accordance with something you can't prove now would you.
Hang on STOP.
STOPPPP.
That last comment.
You wouldn't spend the rest of your life in accord with something you cant prove.
May be wrong.
I Recant.
But ya know what im getting at.
I mean
There is "beliving in something"
But then there is
"beliving in something" if you know what i mean guys.
Fucking nudge nudge.
You know what i mean.
Now for some reason , I wanna goolgle just one word (blind ummm faith )
What is blind faith
I may find out How much one should put into this , what was it again.
Thats right.
It was one word ( Blind Faith. ) thats it.
Whats the opp of ( blind faith )
Ive got some research to do.
Back soon guys.
5 times . 6 min 58 second = like 40 mins or 30 somthing mins later.
Porn Hub mention nothing about this .
Running the rest of yalife in accordance to blind faith.
THATS FUCKING GANGSTA DOG.
BALLA.
WANKERS.
P.s
IS god ok with step siblings having intercourse.
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@Mall
You only have one choice to make out of two.Atheists believe there is no God.Atheists believe there is God.
Atheists believe that they are Gods or at least thats what you believe that they believe when they actually dont believe anything close to that. We get it.
The op could also read.
Atheists that believe no god exists on
allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the evidence that the theists have collected over the past few thousand years
Added on to.
That means + .
alllllllllllllll the nothing that the atheists have gathered up over the past 200,000 years.
=
Forms a fucken nice cushy mother fucking basis for argument.
And you may as well
And alllll the evidence that any other groups have.
And allll the info the cute little Animals have gathered about god.
So to recap. Thats all the info .
That Everyone and evrything has on god.
Add that bitch up and ya got a foundation.
But again .
The abs ofvthe evi is not the evi abby thing comes into play
is it safe to say.
IT LOOKS LIKE HE DON'T EXIST
More then
IT LOOKS LIKE HE EXISTS.
Its just a hunch
You guys are so lucky he did that book thing he did for you lot.
Soooo darn lucky.
Good game.
Good game
For this post,
ill be Changing the word ( theist ) to ( christians )
But In allll fairness guys.
You christians have only walked the earth for some ( to be kind)
8000 years now.
We atheists have walked the earth for ( to be kind )
150,000 years.
Thats. One second please.
100,000 plus 8 form the 50 and carry the two.
Thats like 140,000 years more .
I mean ,
Yeah 140k more years we the atheists have been hear the you the Christians.
Why we were not beliving in gods before we knew we could belived in gods.
No thats not right butttttt.
Gods didn't exist before gods existed.
No thats not right neither.
We atheists. Have been here heaps longer the you Christians.
Harrr.
Soooooooo .
Maybe a christian could have an opinion on this in 50,000 years time.
If you guys had any respect.
You'd give it atleat 10,000 years on earth before you go making mind boggling assumptions.
Ffffff.
We've a bunch OF Little 8000 year olds running around think they know DEEP SHIT.
Grow up guys
Seriously.
The Apes have a better understanding on life the you lot.
Twas the Apes that taught me god / gods dont exist.
Who'd you belive.
Great apes or christians.?
Ha
Ha.
What a sentence. question.
Are you now thinking.
What would a great ape christian even look like.
Who thinks
A christian would say that atheist and theists have walked the earth for the same time.
Wank
Erssss hey.
Oh friggen No.
Sorry. Im sorry.
I said the words Apes and Atheists in the same post.
If a christian sees that they'll get all confused and start thinking.
Oh thats right.
Atheists belive in the TOE.
They fucking will.
You know it.
So sorry.
Its Fair enough however that
Being a atheists means we are scientists.
And are allllll experts when it comes to using bunsen burners.
Thats just common sense.
But not the TOE.
" ducks back to the lab. "
Imagin a theistic religious calculator.
We've Scientific calculators
Picture a theistic calculator at work.
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@borz_kriffle
This borz krif guy is exactly why we play the stepping hen . (Stephen) right at the front.
If you can get the ball past him then Zeds there to end it.
With Zed and him together.
Right at the front.
Ya look like a dickhead arguing against them and arguing gods real.
Borz? ars you picturing Stephen being offended by this ummm, lets say " rude talk "
Picture him. His gotta be crying right ?
NOPE.
Call him names.
Talking to him with your disrespectful manor.
If i was theistic in any way shape or form id call him names , id threaten him with like violence and shit.
Getting rid of the Stepping Hen and Zed would form a good basis for a bel8ving in God argument.
On site.
A good argument on this site.
Actually
Then ya need to get rid of the RR's and the FLWR.
Butttttt.
Get rid of them off this site.
Then the theists might have a basis to win a argument and make god worshiping look somewhat reasonable.
only then.
BK has me believing in satan more then a Christian has god.
But you'll get there guys.
Ill help ya out and call Stephen a bum bum head for you.
Henny ?
Hey Penny.
Your bum head Stephen.
I Fucken got him.
Chuckle Chuckle.
That'll disprove whatever he said that hurt you hey.?
BUM BUM HEAD.
Hit and sunk.
Mmmm , No but yeah
borz,
Stephen stays right at the Front there.
Thats were he plays.
' opens arms '
Bring it in big fella.
Borz?
' squeezes '
Love you buddy.
Your gonna be ok , im sure of it.
Good game.
Good game.
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@Mall
"Belief", means to accept something, but not necessarily something that is true.
As an atheist, in the typical Middle Eastern creator hypothesis sense, I certainly do not believe such concepts..
In fact, in a general sense I do not believe, because belief tends to come weighted with futile expectation relative to overthink.
But of course, data management and conceptualization, are nonetheless a species specialism.
Nonetheless this whole conversation is nothing more than internal electro-chemical data management, and the transfer of expounded thoughts and ideas.
Therein for all I suppose, can lie the realm of a GOD or any other fantasy.
Though some conclude to believe that such fantasy realms actually exist elsewhere...Not me though.
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@borz_kriffle
you made me waste 30 minutes of my time
🤣
It'll take you more than 30 minutes reading and studying before you are able to argue your corner using " unicorns " as an example on weather god exists or not. Of course this will depend on how long your attention span is. I can only advise that when engaging a full blown devout practicing Christian that you remove all shiny objects from your room so as not to distract you from what is actually being conveyed to you in what is being said , what is being argued and what is being discussed.
I have asked you tree times now:
Do you not believe Jesus existed at all, borz_kriffle ?
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@Mall
And .01 percent something other. I'm atheist of many gods for the sake of reason.
I assume that .01% is for sake of reason as well, ignoring circumstance.
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@Mall
Nobody I know of has disproved the bible.
What do you mean by - disprove the bible?
There are plenty of people that misunderstand the Bible charging false contradictions giving that as grounds to prove false where it's nowhere close.
And you can give some examples of " charging false contradictions", can you ?
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@borz_kriffle
You do have evidence that you will wake up tomorrow.
GOD!!! your ignorance is blinding! People of all ages die in their sleep all the time and without any obvious underlying cause.
You have woken up every other day of your entire life,
And then you don't.
And while you could technically explain away all the contradictions and bullshit in the Bible and say no one has ever “disproved it”,
Can you give examples of biblical contradictions being "explained away"?
And finally, yes, there is technically evidence for miracles.
1st, define miracle. 2nd could you for example show me the evidence that a man walked on water and evidence for how 5000 people were fed with " five loaves and two fish" ..technically or otherwise?
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@Mall
Atheism is a religion.
When I saw the thread title I was expecting the OP to contain an argument.
How naive I was.
He he must have found out the annual super secret atheist Satan summoning. I suppose I can see how'd you mistake that for a religion.