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@Double_R
I can use Chatgpt too, I just prefer to have real conversations between human beings.
Lol, you just can't stand a gaslight proof argument.
Who are you voting for this coming presidential election and why?
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@DavidAZZ
but does the stock market reflect inflation?
yes, it does. The problem with stock market indexes is that you only see a few large mega companies though, so if smaller businesses are getting fucked up by Democrats, you won't see it in an Index like the Dow Jones.
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@Double_R
Economic fascism refers to...I don't care about what it refers to because that's not what we're talking about.
Oh it depends on how well you understand philosophy, sociology, and history.
The amateur historian thinks the problem with a fascist state is that a single person is in charge. The expert (<- see I can use the word) is much more worried about the rest of the ingredients that made fascism unique and uniquely brutal and impossible to correct for those inside of it.
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@DavidAZZ
So you think Trump increasing the National Debt 40 percent was exceptional?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The amateur historian thinks the problem with a fascist state is that a single person is in charge.
No real historian believes Hitler rose to power on his own, nor was he the only person in charge.
Notice the parallels between a post Weimar Germany that couldn't afford food and USA today. It's a real concern. Hungry people often overthrow the old guards.
Democrat cultists should be much more concerned about scarce food than talking points on abortion and who gets to decide what political violence is acceptable.
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@Greyparrot
The amateur historian thinks the problem with a fascist state is that a single person is in charge.No real historian believes Hitler rose to power on his own, nor was he the only person in charge.
True, he wasn't a very strong dictator like say Napoleon or Julius Caesar.
What I mean by that is that Hitler was a quasi rebellious figure, as were all of the figureheads of the axis. They would follow the figurehead so long as the figurehead stayed true to the current of the cult. A Hitler who said "I was wrong about the Jews, forget about race individual virtue is more important" would be dead or hidden away in 24 hours.
Napoleon and Caesar earned the loyalty they enjoyed through personal virtue (or at least what passed for virtue in the eyes of the people who mattered at the time) instead of ideological/religious hysteria. They had the choice to change their mind about policy and even principle without losing everything so long as they didn't prove themselves frauds.
In this way Trump and Kamala are much more like Hitler than Napoleon. They are riders on a wave that exists in the population, they don't make the wave and if they veer too far they will be swept under and lost.
Some would say that is how democracy is supposed to work, maybe, but they would also predict that Hitler could not happen in a democracy and those pesky historical facts just keep coming back to bite them. In their confusion they imagine killing baby Hitler or Trump would bring it all to a grinding halt. You kill Napoleon, you change history. You kill Hitler, Napoleon, Trump, or Kamala you only change the face of the movement and give them a martyr to boot.
I think double R is right to fear an over extension of the state via oppressive lawfare (and laws are always backed by military see Babbitt and Rodger Stone being swatted). The collapse of institutional trust makes such things inevitable whether the "good guys" are in charge or not. Why it keeps getting worse and why it started is because people like him are blind to the oppression and subversion that has already taken place.
I am voting for Trump. Here’s why I encourage you to do the same:
1. Strong borders, leading to:
- less crime
- less social welfare which increases our national debt and increases inflation,
- the fact that Illegal aliens do cheap labor, taking away jobs from Americans
- the fact that we don’t have the housing or resources to provide for them, as even our very own veterans are homeless and broke
- the laundry list of reasons why they hurt our democratic-republic
2. Better foreign policy
- Abbeygate was a disgrace (45 amputated, 13 dead, and 85 billion dollars left in the hands of the Taliban, while Biden checked his watch at their commemoration. BTW, Trump never agreed to those terms. In fact, he agreed to the Doha agreement; that by May 1, 2021, he would pull out of the regions IF the Taliban stopped their terrorism. Which, under Biden/Harris, they didn’t)
-I’d be remiss not to mention the Ukraine-Russia and Israel-Hamas wars that started under Biden/Harris, due to their lack of global respect.
-Iran is closer to obtaining a nuclear weapon than ever before
3. Inflation
- It is up around 20% in Biden/Harris’ four years as incumbents. She is vowing the same policies that got us that historic number, which is mass government overspending. The one critique of Trump I have is that he did spend too much; his inflation rose around 9%, but at least he spent on a border wall and not a foreign war that ratchets up our national debt and serves us no national interest. Second, he has vowed to keep better consultants near him, like RFK and Tulsi, to help him with economic plans and also to help him with my next point:
4. Bureaucracy
-Both of us know that a vote for Harris, a cackling prostitute, (this is not slander, they are mere facts. She does cackle and she did prostitute herself to Willie Brown.) is a vote for thousands of federal bureaucrats whose salaries add to our debt, who we will never know their names or information. They are hard to fire and easy to employ. They run our swamp and the one to drain it is Trump, as he did in 2016 and can hopefully expedite that in 2024 if and when he wins. If you want a big, bloated, and bureaucratic government, then you’ve got your gal. If you want a small, centered, and the right to know WHO is running YOUR country, you’ve got your guy.
MORE:
-she is not respected.
-she is pretty stupid, which is why she failed her BAR exam and why she can’t do an interview or debate without mentioning how Trump is a threat to democracy, et al.
-she supports the green new deal
-she supports having authority for women to kill their babies
-she is pro transgender
-she is anti-Israel, pro Iran
-she is anti-christian (“You’re at the wrong rally!”)
-Putin, Hollywood, and Liz Cheney/Dick Cheney/Mitt Romney endorse her
-the list goes on and on and on
Trump, on the other hand,
-gave four solid years as POTUS (at least compared to Biden/Harris)
-is respected domestically and foreignly
-is not afraid of the MSM and the lies they spew constantly (like the Hunter Biden laptop story, Covid origin story, the Russia collusion hoax, the very fine people hoax, the implicit bias, and frankly, the HATE, that they have against him etc. etc.)
-Musk, RFK and Tulsi endorse him (all former dems by the way)
Shall I keep going?
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@Greyparrot
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@ADreamOfLiberty
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@FLRW
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@DavidAZZ
I agree that COVID stunted the economy in both administrations, but I personally think that if COVID not happened, the economy would have been better with Trump's administration than Biden's. Reason being that the inflation was not happening in the Trump years but went out of control in the Biden years.
But that's exactly my point. Inflation was a direct result of COVID, that's why it hit every peer nation on earth not just the US. So if you're going to say that Trump isn't responsible for the damage to the economy in 2020 because that was caused by COVID, then the same applies to Biden/Harris.
But you don't seem to be doing that. Instead you seem to be giving Trump credit for everything that was great during his first 3 years (ignoring that he didn't build the economy he inherited that had already been growing for 7 straight years) while judging Biden/Harris based the mess Trump handed them.
Side question: I'm no economic expert, but does the stock market reflect inflation?
Sure it has some effect. The stock market is just one metric and not the most telling because it really only measures confidence. I don't use the stock market to judge president's but I bring it up because Trump and those who support him typically do so it's interesting to see what people have to say about it when I bring it up.
One thing you can't deny is that if Trump were president today he would be bragging to no end about how good the stock market is, would be taking full credit for it and Trump supporters would be talking about this for years reminiscing about how great Trump's stock market was back in 2024.
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@Greyparrot
Lol, you just can't stand a gaslight proof argument.
What I can't stand is when someone ducks and dodges the conversation by pivoting to something irrelevant, and bonus points for not even writing your own pivot.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Oh it depends on how well you understand philosophy, sociology, and history.
Oh really, tell me all about the historical significance of economic fascism in 1930's Germany.
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@SocraticGregarian96
Shall I keep going?
No, because nothing you brought up is accurate or legitimate. Pick one reason if you'd like that you are prepared to stand by and I'll be glad to explain why.
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@Double_R
Oh really, tell me all about the historical significance of economic fascism in 1930's Germany.
Sure, let's start with the context in which it was brought up in this thread:
[GP] You failed to note Germany was slipping into 3rd world living conditions when Hitler took power.[Double_R] Because it's irrelevant.
I could write pages on this but that's not necessary because summary is not oversimplification in this case.
1.) People without bread are desperate people. Desperate people do desperate things and are at their most malleable philosophically. It's not a coincidence that just about every saint, sage, and savior's origin story starts at a point of extreme suffering or anxiety.
2.) Desperation is a state of mind and to the degree people have irrational or skewed value systems being "without bread" does not need to literally mean on the verge of starvation.
3.) To people who are used to high civilization (such as the German people) and certainly American people today, being without coffee can be enough to penetrate the comfortable haze of disengagement. As per (1) the kind of people whose first entrance into politics is born of deprivation are intrinsically more radical, dangerous, and ignorant than those who participate in politics due to a philosophical persuasion or some silly sense of sporting interest.
The socialist economic fallacy is that deprivation is caused by greed and greed is made possible by private ownership of the means of production. Prior to this fallacy governments still taxed, but very few people thought that taxation could every really alleviate poverty. Even as the french revolution was rewriting calendars and rededicating churches to secular rationalism they in all their radical fervor seemed to think that the reason peasants didn't have bread was government intervention and a lack of industrialization (which is far closer to the truth than anything a socialist political theory ever predicted).
All socialist theories create a vicious cycle of government steals -> government action does harm -> government steals more because of unprecedented harm. They create crises and use crises to justify further crisis-creating-behavior.
fascism is a socialist economic theory and does the same, like communism it creates its own supporters to the degree it is followed, but unlike communism it has an outward appearance of a much more subtle change.
Maoism had struggle sessions and destroyed anything that had the wrong outward appearance (while underneath things worked much as they always had minus those 60 million victims).
Economic fascism proscribes the assimilation of existing private structures like corporations, unions, universities, and newspapers. This provokes far less backlash and can sneak up on a nation much easier and critically the threshold between when you get shot for disparaging the party and when you don't is grey.
That makes it much more difficult to resist than an open communist revolution where you have an obvious choice of dying uselessly or forming an underground resistance. It tempts people to voice opposition and (initially) punishes them by moving them out of positions of influence by soft power.
If that sounds familiar it should, that is exactly what "cancel culture" and "lawfare" refer to.
By the time Italian fascists or German Nazis built the first death-camp there wasn't a single man or woman with both courage and doubt in any 'private' company bigger than a thousand employees. No banks, no newspapers, no factories, no engineering firms, no railways, no mines, no shipyards, no unions.
That kind of economic grip allowed the nazis and the fascists to have a continuum of threats for dissenters which (again) is superior in terms of purification. When people know they will lose their job most will cower, but those few brave will speak up knowing they'll only lose their job. Then they are mocked and relegated as "losers" looking to excuse their own failures.
It's easy to look at the brownshirts dragging people away and say "that's the problem" but as many have pointed out, it does not and cannot start there.
That is why economic fascism, or the economic component of fascism; is integral to fascism as a threat and a phenomenon. That is why you should have cared when laws were used in entirely novel ways against the lotus of political dissent, you should have cared when election laws were violated and evidence was ignored and suppressed, but you either agree with the fascists or you did not understand what was happening. Meanwhile they've got you dancing around crying wolf while you're riding one.
i.e. you are the threat.
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@Double_R
One thing you can't deny is that if Trump were president today he would be bragging to no end about how good the stock market is, would be taking full credit for it and Trump supporters would be talking about this for years reminiscing about how great Trump's stock market was back in 2024.
And if normal people had trouble buying food, they would call him a liar, just like they call the Democrat party liars today. Gaslighting runs out of fuel at some point.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Meanwhile they've got you dancing around crying wolf while you're riding one.
Solid gold.
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@Double_R
But you don't seem to be doing that. Instead you seem to be giving Trump credit for everything that was great during his first 3 years (ignoring that he didn't build the economy he inherited that had already been growing for 7 straight years) while judging Biden/Harris based the mess Trump handed them.
Of course he was handed whatever economy, good, bad or otherwise. It is what he did with it is the point I am trying to make.
How long does it take for a administration's decisions to actually take effect? 4 years? So does the roaring economy go to Obama or Trump? Does the terrible inflation go to Trump or Biden? I think the answer varies and depending on the cause of the inflation.
To make a point about Trump's economic policies, I was talking to a banker about investing before the 2016 election and he told me it looked like the stock market was going to boom due to Trump's policies. He said it will be a lot like Reagan's economic boom. Again, no economic expert, but if bankers are hedging on the fact that Trump will boost the market, then it's his policies, not what he inherited, that will create the great market.
One thing you can't deny is that if Trump were president today he would be bragging to no end about how good the stock market is, would be taking full credit for it
LOL. True.
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@FLRW
So you think Trump increasing the National Debt 40 percent was exceptional?
Of course not. The national debt is out of control and I hate that any extra spending happens.
Also, keep in mind that nearly 60% of that new debt was the response to COVID with vaccines and all. So you liberals should be proud of Trump for that.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
That is why you should have cared when laws were used in entirely novel ways against the lotus of political dissent, you should have cared when election laws were violated and evidence was ignored and suppressed, but you either agree with the fascists or you did not understand what was happening.
You're a conspiracy theorist lecturing me in what's "happening", ok bro. That right there illustrates why we can't see eye to eye on anything. Everything you just cited as examples are pure BS.
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@Double_R
That right there illustrates why we can't see eye to eye on anything.
You might see my eyes if yours weren't closed.
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@DavidAZZ
How long does it take for a administration's decisions to actually take effect? 4 years? So does the roaring economy go to Obama or Trump?
It depends on the circumstances. What was the economic outlook when Trump took office? Did that outlook change? Did it change because of Trump's policies? You need to look at the full picture.
The short answer is that nothing changed. The economy continued to grow at the same trajectory it did when Trump came into office. His signature legislative accomplishment was a tax cut that was not paid for and which 83% of the benefits went to the top 1%. There is nothing to tie Trump to in order to credit him with creating the economy of the late 2010's.
Does the terrible inflation go to Trump or Biden? I think the answer varies and depending on the cause of the inflation.
Yeah, it does. And it is in my view obvious that the cause was the disruption to the supply chain resulting from COVID, which is why every peer nation on earth experienced the same thing we did.
And even if you are willing to overlook the obvious and claim inflation (which coincidentally every other peer nation on earth also experienced) was entirely or even primarily due to Biden's policies, you'd still have to explain why only Biden's spending caused it and not Trump's. And after that, you'd have to take into account that the policies you are pointing to in order to make this argument are a direct response to the conditions created by COVID. You don't have to like that Biden signed off on stimulus payments to Americans in 2021 but you can't pretend that was some generic Biden policy passed in the abstract and therefore an indicator of what to expect for 2025. It was all tied too COVID.
Again, no economic expert, but if bankers are hedging on the fact that Trump will boost the market, then it's his policies, not what he inherited, that will create the great market.
You talked to a banker who said the stock market will boom because of Trump, then the stock market boomed and that is proof that it boomed because of Trump? That's ridiculous.
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@Double_R
I did. I listed multiple reasons why I support Trump. Actually read what I wrote and see if you can defend Kamala Harris with your own argument.
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@DavidAZZ
Also, keep in mind that nearly 60% of that new debt was the response to COVID with vaccines and all. So you liberals should be proud of Trump for that.
Exactly right.
Our national debt has gone up roughly 500 billion-1 trillion per year from 2000-2019. In 2020, it went up 5 trillion bc of Covid and the recession. In 21’, went up 2 trillion more for covid.
But there’s no excuse for it going up another 2.5 trillion AFTER Covid while Biden/Harris are in office.
Trump wasn’t perfect in terms of debt, but he was not any worse than Obama or Bush, and he’s certainly been better than Biden/Harris.
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@SocraticGregarian96
he’s certainly been better than Biden/Harris
Yeah, Kamala thinks poor people should be allowed to eat sugar.
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@SocraticGregarian96
But there’s no excuse for it going up another 2.5 trillion AFTER Covid while Biden/Harris are in office.
Yeah, its not like a war in Ukraine even happened. Its a conspiracy.
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@Best.Korea
Yeah, not like we don't have an American oligarchy to support along with the oligarchy in Ukraine.
Dick Cheney would be so proud of you my boy.
Voting for Trump and Vance hands down.
There is no other choice.
I do not want a Communist-Marxist Jew-Irish running the country when she speak word salad.