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@Greyparrot
I was actually talking about the stock market. A subset of all gambling.I fully admit speculating on election futures is pure gambling
Who are you voting for this coming presidential election and why?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It's not really gambling for the people who control the system. Think of it as a house advantage.
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@Greyparrot
Pelosi sure does :)It's not really gambling for the people who control the system. Think of it as a house advantage.
Donald Trump.
Even if every report about him being a dictator-wannaba were true (and there was always a conflict interest by those making these claims, in that their first reason for acting was to damage Trump and the Republican Party, with reporting the facts being second place at best), he's not powerful enough to act on it and he'll certainly be too old to continue a political career by 2029. Hence, the risks, if we were to assume for the sake of argument that there is an actual risk at all, are low.
What we get in return is a President who does Republican stuff. But beyond that, this is a pivotal moment in American history. Christianity is no longer the dominant religion, and some people have sought to replace its former place in society with a new strain of secular fundamentalism.
I don't like the term "woke" because it's overly reductive and vague, but as an umbrella term it works well enough for lack of a better alternative. There are new categories of wrongthink, of "isms" and "phobias" founded upon biased and prejudiced left-wing notions of who is and who isn't allowed to have an ingroup/outgroup bias, and the newly prescribed penalty for these acts is forceful exclusion from institutions, social hubs, and career opportunities that Americans of all stripes are by birthright entitled to access; this differs from mere individuals choosing voluntarily to not associate with someone.
This is, obviously, unacceptable. Whatever the new post-Christian set of American values is, conservatives and Republicans deserve equal say and input as liberals and Democrats in deciding what these look like.
The first step toward making everyone accept this new moral "consensus" is to make it correspond to political reality. Make it so that someone with the social attitudes of Donald Trump is excluded from holding public office. If, on the other hand, he can and he does, then it won't be a settled question in the American consciousness whether his attitudes are unacceptable.
In short, you can't have much of a theocracy when the king is an open sinner and opposes the clergy and their inquisitors down the rung of power.
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@Swagnarok
Even if every report about him being a dictator-wannaba were true (and there was always a conflict interest by those making these claims, in that their first reason for acting was to damage Trump and the Republican Party, with reporting the facts being second place at best), he's not powerful enough to act on it
Google Project 2025 and particularly Schedule F.
He won't be doing it, it will be the people he surrounds himself with, which will be night and day different from the people he surrounded himself with in 2017. Everyone knows this, and Trump isn't even trying to pretend otherwise.
To not understand this by this point is a choice.
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@Double_R
He won't be doing it, it will be the people he surrounds himself with, which will be night and day different from the people he surrounded himself with in 2017. Everyone knows this, and Trump isn't even trying to pretend otherwise.
So just how the deep state works, except not the deep state; so therefore dangerous and dictatorial.
Schedule F is democracy in action. These entrenched government bureaucrats span the range from misguided and useless to a malicious warmongering war-profiting power mad shadow government.
A president cannot (legally) ignore the constitution by executive order, but he can (legally) and should reorder the executive branch to suit the mandate of the people which he represents.
To not understand this by this point is a choice.
I say that about you constantly.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Schedule F is democracy in action
There is a reason we purposefully built into our system of government protections for civil servants from the top layers of our government. It's to ensure our government is working for the people, not the dear leader. That's what democracy is about, and it's exactly what Schedule F seeks to dismantle.
These entrenched government bureaucrats span the range from misguided and useless to a malicious warmongering war-profiting power mad shadow government.
This is just stupid. You're talking about doctors working in our health agencies, scientists working at agencies like the FDA, meteorologists working at NOAA, etc. They don't wake up everyday figuring out how to conspire with each other to run some shadowy government, they're working their fields of expertise to accomplish the mission of these agencies. You're delusional.
A president cannot (legally) ignore the constitution by executive order, but he can (legally) and should reorder the executive branch to suit the mandate of the people which he represents.
Like the mandate that he will use the military and DOJ to go after his political opponents
I say that about you constantly.
Because you're delusional
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@Double_R
Schedule F is democracy in actionThere is a reason we purposefully built into our system of government protections for civil servants from the top layers of our government. It's to ensure our government is working for the people, not the dear leader.
rofl, protect the unelected from the elected. It's [managed] democracy (tm).
Haven't you learned that gaslighting doesn't work here? (mainly because the only four people who aren't constantly joking can see right through it).
You're talking about doctors working in our health agencies, scientists working at agencies like the FDA, meteorologists working at NOAA, etc.
No, that's the extreme minority of government bureaucrats.
They don't wake up everyday figuring out how to conspire with each other to run some shadowy government
Then we have nothing to fear from them and they have nothing to fear from us (the people).
A president cannot (legally) ignore the constitution by executive order, but he can (legally) and should reorder the executive branch to suit the mandate of the people which he represents.Like the mandate that he will use the military and DOJ to go after his political opponents
Domestic enemies of the constitution. I'm sure something on the books can be made to fit, people are so creative these days.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
rofl, protect the unelected from the elected.
The fact that you think the people need to be protected from career civil servants who have served under both democratic and republican administrations is the problem. Paranoia is not rational, so there's not really anything left to be said.
No, that's the extreme minority of government bureaucrats.
And yet all of those people are subject to schedule F.
If these are not the people you're referring to then who specifically?
Haven't you learned that gaslighting doesn't work here?
I've learned that when someone is convinced the earth is flat it's futile to try and convince them it's round. That doesn't mean it isn't entertaining to see how they will continue defending their assertion that it's flat.
They don't wake up everyday figuring out how to conspire with each other to run some shadowy governmentThen we have nothing to fear from them and they have nothing to fear from us (the people).
Donald Trump is not "the people", and yes, they should absolutely fear the prospect of him coming back into power, because he's an ignoramus who thinks he knows better than all of them and his instincts are antithetical to everything these agencies stand for.
Like the mandate that he will use the military and DOJ to go after his political opponentsDomestic enemies of the constitution.
Or as Donald Trump would translate that: democrats along with anyone who disagrees with him or talks about him unfavorably.
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@Double_R
rofl, protect the unelected from the elected.The fact that you think the people need to be protected from career civil servants
The fact that you think the people need to be protected from their elected agent of change is undemocratic.
If these are not the people you're referring to then who specifically?
I'll figure that out if and when Trump hires me full time and gives me military special forces so I can capture data repositories of "the intelligence community" (the deep state).
In the mean time that is not the question. The question is: Who in the executive branch should (according to the constitution) be immune from termination by the leader of the executive branch?
The objective answer is: No one. The parts of the government POTUS can't restructure is well defined. It's the legislature and the judiciary.
Donald Trump is not "the people"
He's closer than those unelected bureaucrats.
and yes, they should absolutely fear the prospect of him coming back into power
Useless petty tyrants ought to fear for their ill gotten salaries.
Like the mandate that he will use the military and DOJ to go after his political opponentsDomestic enemies of the constitution.Or as Donald Trump would translate that: democrats along with anyone who disagrees with him or talks about him unfavorably.
Yes, but apparently you can admit that before being elected and still lock them up. You just have to give a different excuse in the court filings and make the court favorable court stacking or venue shopping.
See "Get Trump".
Then all your brainwashed zombies are distributed instructions which prevent them from seeing the obvious corruption. "no one is above the law" "precedent is not necessary" and so on.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The fact that you think the people need to be protected from their elected agent of change is undemocratic.
And yet it's literally built into the constitution. See 14th amendment.
The question is: Who in the executive branch should (according to the constitution) be immune from termination by the leader of the executive branch?The objective answer is: No one.
Yes, but apparently you can admit that before being elected and still lock them up. You just have to give a different excuse in the court filings and make the court favorable court stacking or venue shopping.See "Get Trump".
Yeah, were back to "Trump did nothing wrong". Hording classified documents by the truckload and hiding them from the FBI next to the toilet at Maralago... Nothing to see there. Orchestrating fraudulent electors in an effort to overturn am election, nothing to see there. It's patheticc.
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@Double_R
The fact that you think the people need to be protected from their elected agent of change is undemocratic.And yet it's literally built into the constitution. See 14th amendment.
Schedule F does not repeal the 14th amendment.
The question is: Who in the executive branch should (according to the constitution) be immune from termination by the leader of the executive branch?The objective answer is: No one.
Government of for and by the people:
Yes, but apparently you can admit that before being elected and still lock them up. You just have to give a different excuse in the court filings and make the court favorable court stacking or venue shopping.See "Get Trump".Yeah, were back to "Trump did nothing wrong". Hording classified documents ...
yea yea bla bla bla, that's what we'll say about your people. You won't believe it and we won't care. Moving on.