Who are you voting for this coming presidential election and why?

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Yeah, not like we don't have an American oligarchy to support along with the oligarchy in Ukraine
You are right. Trump cannot be Emperor because USA has oligarchy. I guess the dream of being an Emperor failed. But Trump can still insult some of the oligarchy members to force them mentally to concede some things to their new very rich president. Trump will reduce the oligarchy by reducing taxes on the rich. Lets hope that Trump bans poor people from consuming sugar and having healthcare.
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@Amber

I do not want a Communist-Marxist Jew-Irish running the country when she speak word salad
Yeah, Trump never said the word salad.
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And tobacco.
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And tobacco
True. Only rich people deserve freedom.

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and lung cancer
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Poor people shouldnt have a choice. Only rich people are allowed to choose.
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Then stop allowing a free market. Now with fascist food they have no choice but what the government puts on the shelf. Yummy fascist food placement can assist greatly to prevent poor people from eating healthy. Rich people in bed with the government can still use the black market. Problems solved for everyone.
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Yeah, government forces people to eat tasty sugar instead of tasteless yucky spinach. If it wasnt for government, all poor people would be able to afford yucky spinach and wouldnt be forced to enjoy tasty sugar.

When will this oppression end?
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Oh, sweet troll logic! So, let me get this straight: you believe the government is actively pushing us to eat sugar while denying us the joy of spinach? Newsflash: sugar is cheaper than spinach, and that's mostly due to agricultural subsidies. If anything, it's the food industry’s marketing and the convenience of processed foods that have made sugar so ubiquitous.
Also, let's talk about choice! If poor people were truly “forced” to eat sugar, maybe it’s because it’s widely available and heavily marketed, not because of some government conspiracy. Meanwhile, spinach has to fight for attention in the produce aisle like it’s the underdog in a superhero movie.
Oppression? How about the oppression of taste buds when you can’t find a decent salad amidst all the sugary snacks? If you want to champion healthy eating, how about promoting affordable access to fresh produce instead of blaming the government for people’s choices?
In conclusion, the only thing oppressive here is your grasp on reality. Now, go ahead and enjoy your sugar while the rest of us try to eat our greens!
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@Greyparrot
Spinach is just as good and tasty as chocolate. Wait till we tell the poor kids that no more free candy from government. Just spinach from now on. Spinach for breakfast, lunch and dinner. End food stamps oppression! Only rich kids deserve to eat candy! End food equality!
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First off, let’s set the record straight: Spinach and chocolate? Comparing them is like saying a bicycle is just as fun as a Ferrari. Sure, spinach has its merits—it's nutritious, but if you think it can compete with the pure joy of chocolate, you might be the only one in that camp!
And really, let’s talk about “free candy.” You’re suggesting we swap out treats for a leafy green? Good luck selling that idea to kids! “Hey kids, instead of a fun-sized chocolate bar, here’s a fistful of spinach!” If you think that’s a winning strategy, I’d love to see how it goes at your next birthday party.
Now, let’s address the “end food equality” nonsense. Food stamps and assistance programs are designed to help everyone access basic nutrition, not just to fund candy for the rich. It’s about providing healthy options, not punishing kids for wanting something sweet.
If you want to end oppression, how about advocating for better access to all kinds of food? Instead of pitting fascist chocolate subsidies against spinach like they’re rivals in a Hunger Games scenario, let’s push for a world where everyone has access to both in a free market—and can enjoy them in moderation.

In conclusion, your vision of a spinach-only dystopia isn’t just unappetizing; it’s downright ridiculous! Let’s focus on making healthy food accessible to all in a free market, without taking away the joy of treats. 🍫🥗
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Yeah, spinach is horrible. Candy is much better. Government is evil for giving kids candy.
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@Best.Korea
Yeah, spinach is horrible.
If you don't like a vegetable chances are you aren't cooking it correctly.

Yes I know you're trolling, how? You're typing.

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Strippers are much better.
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If you don't like a vegetable chances are you aren't cooking it correctly
Yeah, cooked vegetable is better than chocolate. I am sure poor people agree.
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Strippers are much better
Imagine government giving people strippers for free.

Now thats what I call oppression!

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Pick one reason if you'd like that you are prepared to stand by and I'll be glad to explain why.
I did. I listed multiple reasons why I support Trump. 
Picking one doesn't mean listing multiple examples. It means pick *one*.

Anyone can ramble off a list of nonsense. I could give you 100 reasons to vote for Kamala and you will reject them all, that's a pointless waste of time. If we're going to have any kind of productivity in our dialog it needs to be pointed, not a 10k word response full of one liners.

I ask you to pick one because if I pick from your list you can just accuse me of cherry picking your weakest and/or least relevant point. So I'll ask it this way, out of everything you mentioned what is your strongest point for Trump? If you are unable to stick to one that speaks volumes as to the strength of everything else you wrote.
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@Double_R
You talked to a banker who said the stock market will boom because of Trump, then the stock market boomed and that is proof that it boomed because of Trump? That's ridiculous.
Hmm. . . Maybe you are right.  I shouldn't take into account investment bankers from JP Morgan, who study the stock market and what policies would effect it, when he states that the next president would or would not help the stock market grow.  How stupid of me!  I know!  I should ask some random keyboard warrior, who can't define what a woman is, to tell me what the next administration will do to the stock market because I'm sure he spends tons of time looking and studying the markets.

I am such a fool to take a professional opinion from the damn banker about economic issues. 
 
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@DavidAZZ
How do you balance the one banker against all the non-partisan economic experts and study groups who say his economic policies will increase consumer prices and hasten the bankruptcy of Social Security? And also, how did the banker you talked to assess the Biden economic impact on the stock market? It closed at 30K on 12/31/20, it's currently up 25% under Biden. 
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How do you balance the one banker against all the non-partisan economic experts and study groups who say his economic policies will increase consumer prices and hasten the bankruptcy of Social Security?
I don't know the political background of the banker and I did not go back to him to ask about his thoughts on the Biden economy.  He didn't mention anything about the SS becoming bankrupt or the such.  My question specifically was, "Is it a good time to invest considering the market today?".  He answer was, "We are looking to see a market boom a lot like Reagan when Trump comes into office".  

My point here was that if an investment banker can see the policies of a future president and with those signs can confidently say that the market will surge, then I would say the guy was on the mark.  It would be clear that the Trump policies surged the market and not a "coat tail ride" of the previous administration.

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It closed at 30K on 12/31/20, it's currently up 25% under Biden. 
Those with zero expertise cannot make rational judgements even about who is an expert.

Take the above for example. 30K in real value or nominal?

If it's up 25% in USD that means less than nothing because the USD value is down 25%+.
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Another point is that a banker has money and skin in the game where a "non-partisan" government worker is paid to cater to that client.
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Maybe you are right.  I shouldn't take into account investment bankers from JP Morgan, who study the stock market and what policies would effect it
There is a reason anecdotes are not considered evidence, yet that's all you've presented here and apparently the primary factor from which your belief on this is based. That is a basic failure of critical thinking.

Just as in any industry, you will always have a difference in opinions regardless of their expertise. This is why we rely on data, not anecdotes. If we went by your logic then every banker who thought the stock market would boom for reasons that have nothing to do with Trump would also be right, so you would be in the position of having to accept two mutually exclusive explanations simultaneously. That's not how logic works.

What's also crazy about this is that you're going off of what a banker told you in what could have only been as late as 2016. It's 2024 now, we don't have to speculate on what night happen and what night cause it, we have data and facts now which I've eluded to but you dismissed it on the basis of your 8 year old anecdote. That is very telling.

I should ask some random keyboard warrior, who can't define what a woman is
Well that didn't take long.

I take it since you ignored everything else I said which was far more meaningful and relevant to the conversation along with your condescension and turn towards myself personally even though you have no idea what my position is here... That you concede in that you have no legitimate reason to believe Trump will be better for the economy in 2025 than Harris.
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Traders appeared to be particularly concerned that both Harris and Trump have proposed policies likely to add to inflation, interest rates and deficits — though Trump’s proposals were expected to be worse, Brad Neuman, senior vice president and director of market strategy at Fred Alger & Co. told MarketWatch in a phone interview.
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we have data and facts now which I've eluded to but you dismissed it on the basis of your 8 year old anecdote. That is very telling.
That's where you're wrong!  For sure it was near 12 years old!

That you concede in that you have no legitimate reason to believe Trump will be better for the economy in 2025 than Harris.
I may not have studies and "official" people saying this, but if some guy who makes his living from telling the market, AND the market did surge (except for COVID) then that's good enough for me.  AND "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

However, this actually makes me want to do some homework and ask some other investors what they think.

If we went by your logic then every banker who thought the stock market would boom for reasons that have nothing to do with Trump would also be right, so you would be in the position of having to accept two mutually exclusive explanations simultaneously. That's not how logic works.
Agree to this point, so why are there so many different views on how the economy is doing?  It seems to depend on the political leaning.  Damn the fact torpedoes!
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However, this actually makes me want to do some homework and ask some other investors what they think.
I would like to point out that it's to a great degree a zero sum game.

Precisely: dividends are not the primary reason stock traders buy stock. They buy stock in the hopes that they will predict the fickle and irrational market of other stock traders better than the other stock traders and thereby gain at their expense.

It's not exactly high stakes poker but it's got a lot in common with it.


My point? A large majority of these people are not economic experts in any honest sense of the phrase. They're experts in the psychology of other people like them and if that's what you're interested in, sure talk to one; otherwise learn about the economic activity you think is being underestimated.


P.S. I know "investor" is not identical to "stock broker" but many people don't seem to understand that and many stock gamblers describe their activity as "investment" to their clients (which they call investors).
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I fully admit speculating on election futures is pure gambling, but my crypto investment is an investment in the company, not based on speculative volatility of the future of crypto in general. My crypto has and always will be the number one profit maker for me. Accordingly, it is also based on more real data than the election outcome.
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Futures speculation runs on narratives and vibes, while markets investments are rooted in science theories and economic philosophy. For instance, energy is essential, so I invest in affordable natural gas, guided by science and data. Meanwhile, I speculate on the 'vibes' around renewables like solar and wind. Nuclear, despite strong scientific backing, isn't part of this because the negative vibes > the science.

Now, if you are rich enough like Soros, you can actually control speculation futures by purchasing politicians. Even shorting the markets and betting against America despite the sound foundations because he has trump cards like lockdowns and illegal migration to destroy those foundations.
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That's where you're wrong!  For sure it was near 12 years old!
So you talked to this banker in 2012?

I may not have studies and "official" people saying this, but if some guy who makes his living from telling the market, AND the market did surge (except for COVID) then that's good enough for me.
Yeah, that's the problem.

Professor Alan Lictman has been using his key system to correctly predict elections for decades. It predicted Trump is 2016 and Biden in 2020. He's predicting Harris in 2024. So we have to believe him... Right?

why are there so many different views on how the economy is doing?  It seems to depend on the political leaning.
It certainly does. Studies consistently show people are more satisfied with the economy when their preferred political party is in the White House. But among economic experts it's more nuanced. A major part of the problem is that everyone has a different idea of what a great economy looks like. I can show you that unemployment and GDP is doing much better under Biden, and then you'll show me that affordability was much better under Trump. Setting aside who's responsible for what, we both have the ammo we need to retreat back to our political corners. So if we are trying to have a serious conversation over who has the better economy (which I'm really not) then that conversation would have to begin by determining what a good economy is.
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I've been receiving ads in youtube about Americans being able to vote from other countries. I guess this is being sponsored by the republicans because this is not convenient at all for the current democrat government.

Trump is trying to not make the same mistakes of the last election, so I'm pretty sure this time he will win by a considerable margin. Well done.