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@Mall
Meanwhile that conservative is several times richer in the bank.
Yes, many conservatives are richer than Einstein ever was.
Lol
Who are you voting for this coming presidential election and why?
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@Greyparrot
Great, so when he said we should use the military against "radical left lunatics" we should believe him, right?I hope so. People are tired of the unchecked burning down of government buildings by political activists.
- Minneapolis, MN (2020) - Third Precinct police station burned during George Floyd protests.
- Portland, OR (2020) - Hatfield Federal Courthouse and other federal buildings vandalized and damaged...
The lying and the sane washing continues.
Donald Trump didn't say any of that, and in a follow up he was asked by a friendly interviewer what he meant by those comments, the interviewer very clearly trying to nudge him away from the clear implications of what he said. But Trump is just too stupid to take the hint and clarified that when he talked about the enemy from within he was thinking about people like Adam Shiff and Nancy Pelosi.
So as usual, instead of defending what Trump actually said and what he actually meant you fabricate a fantasy explanation of what you wish he was talking about in order to justify supporting a very clear and proud fascist. It's pathetic.
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@Double_R
Donald Trump didn't say any of that, and in a follow up he was asked by a friendly interviewer what he meant by those comments,
Nah fam. It's been weeks and you still haven't been honest enough to state the actual question. People are done with fantasy land narratives. Fake shame isn't gonna win this time.
And if you wanna be totally honest, I can pull up a ton of clips where Pelosi and Schiff for brains encouraged violence on the left and forgave them because the white man cops be so evil. People are so done. You wanna make the world believe Trump is gonna burn the world down when leaders on the left actually did it with receipts? GTFO with the fantasyland. The people looked at California style leaders, weighed and measured, and found them wanting. It's actually a damn shame Gavin Newsome wasn't allowed to be the nominee so America could have a final referendum on the failures of Californiaism.
"Only a handful" is why they can never be left in power ever again.
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@DavidAZZ
His 4 years in office (except COVID) was exceptional
Why except COVID? Is a president responsible for what happens during their watch or not?
if she is so good, why hasn't the last 4 years already been done like she want the next 4 years to be?
Because they had to spend the first two years digging the economy out of the ditch that was dug for it during Trump's term.
'Real Time' Crowd Goes Quiet as Bill Maher Explains Why Kamala Will Lose
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@Greyparrot
Nah fam. It's been weeks and you still haven't been honest enough to state the actual question. People are done with fantasy land narratives. Fake shame isn't gonna win this time.
Here is Trump saying exactly what I said while you sit there pathetically denying objective reality:
(Starts at 3:17, every other version I pulled up has parts cut off)
And if you wanna be totally honest, I can pull up a ton of clips where Pelosi and Schiff for brains encouraged violence on the left and forgave them because the white man cops be so evil.
Go ahead, I dare you to find one single clip of either of them encouraging violence anywhere near the scale of what Trump is doing everyday now. Let's compare our examples. Go.
You wanna make the world believe Trump is gonna burn the world down when leaders on the left actually did it with receipts? GTFO with the fantasyland
Last time I checked we still have a democracy and the stock market is at record highs. But go on and show me how the world is burning because of Kamala.
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@Double_R
Last time I checked we still have a democracy and the stock market is at record highs.
Last time I checked, Trump is going to be elected with the same Democracy he left in 2020. And praising the wealth of the richest on paper after destroying the economy for average people is exactly why Kamala will lose.
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@Greyparrot
Indeed if the status quo is that the police can't kill you for threatening people with a knife but they can kill you for threatening the deep state, I have no wish to return.
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@Greyparrot
Last time I checked, Trump is going to be elected with the same Democracy he left in 2020.
Yeah, because he failed to destroy it. Do you seriously find this talking point convincing?
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@Double_R
Absolutely. If he's a failure at destroying things, then there's nothing to fear. It's all just fantasyland to think otherwise.
Out of all the California style leaders in the party, Kamala is objectively the worst. We know presidents like Biden always pick a VP that won't outshine them (which is a big reason why we have Waltz instead of Shapiro). Californiaism should have its last gasp for survival this election.
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@Greyparrot
Absolutely. If he's a failure at destroying things, then there's nothing to fear. It's all just fantasyland to think otherwise.
Then you're either grossly ignorant, deeply unintelligent, unserious, or some combination of the three because that is demonstrably ridiculous. Hitler also failed to destroy Germany's democracy the first time around, and after serving only five years in prison for his first coup attempt regained power so he could try again and we all know what happened from there.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone will be better at something the second time around, and it is undisputable that Trump will have an entirely different team far more willing to bend to his authoritarian impulses. To claim that the danger of him succeeding this time will be the same as before is just stupid.
And regardless of what you think the odds are that he would succeed, that's really besides the point. To acknowledge that he did in fact try it the first time is to acknowledge that he will not try to protect our democracy and yet you are willing to put him back in power? That's absurd. You do not need to believe he will succeed in order to recognize that him as a danger. If you owned a jewelry store and your security guard tried to steal from the diamond case you'd fire him instantly, you wouldn't say "he failed so he's harmless, let's give him another try". That's basic common sense.
I'm either voting a meme like Jill Stein or grudge voting Trump.
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@Earth
I'm either voting a meme like Jill Stein or grudge voting Trump.
What is your grudge?
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@Double_R
Democrats have spent the last 8 years being stupid as fuck. I will either vote Jill Stein, stay home or vote Trump. Trump won't install a fascist dictatorship, and we have been sliding towards that anyway. I do not trust democrats.
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@Double_R
So if you didn't want another Hitler, you shouldn't have let the Democrat party get away with destroying the democracy of a primary.
You failed to note Germany was slipping into 3rd world living conditions when Hitler took power. Something apparently Democrats don't give a fuck about since they think killing babies and penis chopping is more important than food.
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@Double_R
Why except COVID? Is a president responsible for what happens during their watch or not
Of course. COVID being introduced was not his policy, but the economy crashed due to the response to it.
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@Earth
Democrats have spent the last 8 years being stupid as fuck.
What about Trump and MAGA republicans?
Trump won't install a fascist dictatorship
"Install" is a bit hyperbolic. Do you believe Trump is a fascist? How do you think fascism takes hold if not via the elevation to power of fascistic leaders?
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@Greyparrot
So if you didn't want another Hitler, you shouldn't have let the Democrat party get away with destroying the democracy of a primary.
Democracy of a primary? WTF? Do you even know what a primary is?
Setting aside the utter stupidity of comparing a party going through it's primary process to replace it's nominee after that nominee voluntarily stepped down with the destruction of democracy... If I don't want another Hitler then guess what? I'm not going to vote for someone who echos his rhetoric and authorization impulses. What about you?
You failed to note Germany was slipping into 3rd world living conditions when Hitler took power.
Because it's irrelevant.
Something apparently Democrats don't give a fuck about since they think killing babies and penis chopping is more important than food.
The only reason we keep talking about trans penises is because the political right is insanely obsessed with them. Democrats aren't focusing on this, we're just constantly having to respond to the absurdity of a party that focuses on this because they have nothing else to offer.
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@Double_R
I really hate to break it to you, but we already live in a fascist economy where the state largely controls what private industry can produce through countless crony regulations and subsidies. You worry about a descent to a place where we are already at. Unchecked economic fascism is a big reason for the current wealth inequality.
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@DavidAZZ
Why except COVID? Is a president responsible for what happens during their watch or notOf course. COVID being introduced was not his policy, but the economy crashed due to the response to it.
You're contradicting yourself, you can't say the president is responsible and then argue why he's not responsible.
Let's try again. Is the president responsible for what happens on his watch? Yes or No? (And by no it means "not necessarily")
If Yes, then Trump is responsible for the catastrophic economic circumstances of 2020.
If No, then Biden is not (necessarily) responsible for what happened as a result of COVID, even if it occurred in 2021 & 2022. So under this scenario and only this scenario you get to give Trump a pass on 2020, but that also means you don't get to just defacto blame Biden, you'd actually have to show that his policies are the catalyst.
So which is it?
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@Greyparrot
I really hate to break it to you, but we already live in a fascist economy where the state largely controls what private industry can produce through countless crony regulations and subsidies. You worry about a descent to a place where we are already at.
Google fascism and let me know when you want to have a real conversation instead of this silly game of just throwing shit at the walls to see what you can get away with.
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@Double_R
You're contradicting yourself, you can't say the president is responsible and then argue why he's not responsible.
I don't think I did.
Yes, Trump is responsible for the response of COVID, but introducing COVID to the USA was not in his policy book. It was a circumstance out of his control and his response to it was not good.
I think I did say that Trump's term was exceptional except COVID.
So to say that his economic polices were amazing but his response to COVID was terrible sounds pretty straight forward to me.
Did I miss something?
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@Double_R
Economic fascism refers to a system where the government exerts strong control over private industries, primarily through heavy regulation and state intervention. It promotes the creation of large corporatist structures by limiting competition, ensuring that businesses align with national or ideological goals. Although industries remain privately owned, their operations are heavily influenced to serve state interests. This model often involves cooperation between the government, corporations, and labor, promoting centralized control for nationalistic or authoritarian objectives, like green energy mandates or agricultural monopolies.
Here are five additional examples that could be seen as forms of "economic fascism" in the U.S., based on the idea of government regulation limiting competition and creating large corporatist structures:
- Healthcare: The Affordable Care Act imposed regulations that favor large healthcare providers over smaller competitors.
- Pharmaceuticals: The FDA's strict approval processes limits new competitors, giving an advantage to big pharma companies.
- Defense Industry: Government contracts often favor large defense corporations, reducing competition.
- Telecommunications: Regulations tend to benefit big telecom companies, limiting small competitors.
- Automotive Industry: Government emissions and safety regulations benefit established automakers over newer, smaller players.
Minimum wage laws support economic fascism by promoting government control over wages, which disproportionately benefit larger corporations. Big businesses are more capable of absorbing the higher labor costs, while small businesses struggle or fail, reducing competition. This leads to market consolidation, where fewer large corporations dominate, aligning with the government's regulatory goals. The outcome is a corporatist structure where government policy and big business work together, limiting free market dynamics and competition.
Shutting down businesses due to COVID-19 aids economic fascism by reinforcing government intervention in the private sector. Large corporations often had the resources to adapt to restrictions, while many small businesses were forced to close permanently, reducing competition. This led to greater market consolidation in industries like retail and e-commerce, where big companies benefited. The collaboration between government policies and major corporations to manage the crisis fits the corporatist model, where government control indirectly strengthens the position of dominant businesses, aligning economic activity with central goals.
Literally every economic fascist policy is a neocon/democrat policy.
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@Double_R
I really hate to break it to you, but we already live in a fascist economy where the state largely controls what private industry can produce through countless crony regulations and subsidies. You worry about a descent to a place where we are already at.Google fascism and let me know when you want to have a real conversation instead of this silly game of just throwing shit at the walls to see what you can get away with.
He seems to be more informed than you. Economic fascism is tight cooperation between the state and a finite number of ideologically policed super corporations complete with price controls and state puppet unions and press. That's how fascist Italy did it. That's how national socialist Germany did it. That's how imperial Japan did it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It's straight out of AI. It's not even controversial!
Here is a bonus round:
Illegal migration supports economic fascism by creating a corporate workforce that operates outside normal regulatory structures, such as minimum wage laws and worker protections. The government rewards select compliant monopolies with exemptions to restrictive regulations. This allows businesses, particularly in monopoly sectors like agriculture and construction, to exploit cheap labor without adhering to competitive employment standards and wages. This concentration of economic power through the exploitation of vulnerable workers can lead to a system where businesses and the government maintain control over the supply of the workforce, reducing competition and also aligning with nationalistic or corporatist goals. It distorts market dynamics in favor of large corporate entities, limiting true economic freedom.
-AI
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@DavidAZZ
Yes, Trump is responsible for the response of COVID, but introducing COVID to the USA was not in his policy book.
No one's accusing Trump of bringing the virus over here, we're talking about the economy. You said Trump's term was exceptional except for COVID and then remarked about Harris's 4 years so I took that as an indictment of the economic record.
My point was a response to the argument I hear from Trump supporters all the time; that Trump's 3 years were great and Biden's 4 years were not, which is disingenuous. Either we count all 4 years for both or we recognize that it's far more nuanced than that. I prefer the latter but am for the sake of argument fine with either, just pick one.
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@Greyparrot
Economic fascism refers to...
I don't care about what it refers to because that's not what we're talking about.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
He seems to be more informed than you.
I can use Chatgpt too, I just prefer to have real conversations between human beings.
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@Double_R
My point was a response to the argument I hear from Trump supporters all the time; that Trump's 3 years were great and Biden's 4 years were not, which is disingenuous.
Thanks for clearing that up!
I agree that COVID stunted the economy in both administrations, but I personally think that if COVID not happened, the economy would have been better with Trump's administration than Biden's. Reason being that the inflation was not happening in the Trump years but went out of control in the Biden years. So if the stock market is any indicator of economic success, then both would have shown amazing growth, except the inflation in the latter was so extreme, it would cancel the effects of a booming economy.
Side question: I'm no economic expert, but does the stock market reflect inflation? Say does the stock market grow 5% by default since the cost of goods/living inflates by 5%?