Mayday Mafia DP1

Okay, no. Hard disagree. I think Owen's justification is quite weak. The pilot made a mistake which sent a message for others to learn from, and that's why he's a messenger? It's not impossible, but it's hardly what I would call a strong justification. I also don't really understand how it connects to him being a rolestopper inventor. The fact that you don't see this justification as being weak while also scumreading Moozer to Hell and back feels very weird to me.

Air France flight 447.  The flight crashed due to pilot incompetency. The plane was losing speed, and started to fall. The pilot could have recovered by going down to gain speed, but instead, he pulled up, stopping the plane and killing all passengers. Therefore, I am a rolestopper-inventor. I'm not sure where the inventor part comes in.

The rolestopper part is relatively strong. See the bold below. Inventor part, I agree with you, but it doesn’t really matter, because Owen can be confirmed tomorrow.

Let me put it this way, I’m not willing to lynch Owen this DP because he has an opportunity to confirm his role tomorrow.

Wat? Why would confirming his role mean anything to you?

I believe that Owen's role does what he says it does. Inventor is easily confirmable and I don't think he'd lie about that as scum. What's ringing alarm bells for me is that you say "it doesn't really matter" as long as Owen confirms himself.

Of course it matters! Justification always matters. Wasn't it you who JUST criticized the town for not asking Luna why he was a Messenger in Indian Politicians? That was an easily confirmable role.

Wat? Why would confirming his role mean anything to you?

Can we lynch Pie?

Vtl Pie

I never said “it doesn’t really matter” as long as he confirms himself. What I said is his justification makes sense to me (I pointed it out) whereas Moozer’s didn’t at all. I’ve asked multiple times for people to explain how Moozer’s justification makes sense. No one has yet., not even you.

To expand on the justification, due to a mishap when converting Pounds to Kilograms, the plane was significantly under fueled and thus the engines burned out. These are supposedly very hard circumstances to land a plane it, but the pilot knew of an unused military landing strip that they used in a pinch to land safely. Because of how amazing the pilots were, I’m a strengthener.

That’s a false equivalency. Messenger isn’t an inherently town role, and my criticism was that no one asked Lunatic for his justification. It was non-existent, just like it is here with Moozer. I pointed out exactly in his PM where the justification isn’t weak, it’s relatively strong barring the Inventor piece. If he’s lying tomorrow, we lynch him.

It allows someone to make someone a Bulletproof Ascetic. That’s literally a protective role. Why tf would scum have such a role. It’s different if you think he’s lying, but we can determine that tomorrow.

Moozer himself has already explained the justification behind his role.

And yeah, I'll admit that it's not the strongest I've seen, but sometimes real justifications are weak. Like the justification behind you being the Motion Detector in Years Mafia. That's one of the worst justifications I've ever seen (no offense, Earth), and it was REAL.

Vader/JoeBob - Amit Shah - You are widely recognized for your exceptional skills in election strategy and management. As a prominent leader and current Union Home Minister, your expertise has significantly shaped the Bharatiya Janata Party's (BJP) successes across India, including in Gujarat. Your deep understanding of political dynamics and voter behavior has established you as a key figure in Indian politics. In Gujarat, your influence is especially notable. You have a comprehensive grasp of the state's political landscape and are well-informed about the activities and strategies of various political players. Your ability to anticipate and counter opposition moves, combined with your skill in mobilizing support, has been crucial to the BJP's strong performance in the state. Your strategic acumen and detailed knowledge of ground realities underscore your reputation as a master of election tactics and state-level political maneuvering. Thus, you are the Motion Detector. Each night, you may target a player. You will learn if any actions were performed by that player or on that player. You win with the Town.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that part. I don't think it's too weak to be real, but I don't think it's strong either. It just is.

That depends on the game and the mod. Rolestopper doesn't always stop lethal actions, and Owen didn't specify whether his role would or not.

Context Strengthener and no one died in the flight please. Explain it to me like I’m five years old. Cause I don’t see it at all. And the fact I’ve asked 5 people and no one has explained it is astonishing.

Well Earth was the Self Watcher. You probably mean JoeBob. I will highlight exactly how the justification makes sense

In the year 49 BC, Julius Caesar crossed the river Rubicon into Roman Italy. This action was all but an act of war and kick started Caesar's Civil War. Given how the year 49 BC set into motion for the future of Rome, you are the Motion Detector.

All I’m asking you to do is explain.

A more powerful version of this role is one that only roleblocks actions used by players of the opposite alignment to that of the target (or the Rolestopper, in some versions). This version is usually mafia-aligned. Sometimes, the Rolestopper is unable to block any kills, in which case it is commonly referred to as an Asceticiser.