I’m an atheist, but willing to be convinced otherwise

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I'LL sneakily baptize you and you will instantly be  BORN AGAIN. 
Oh yess my brother. 
ANDDDDDD . You will never know. 
As being " born again" is invasive.  Or isit non invasive. 
Ya not gonna be able to feel it , is what im trying to saying. 

Next day ya wake up your all normal like but NO.
For Your a born again christian. 
Sin free might i add. 
You are welcome.  
Its to good to know. 

Soooo.
As its only commen sense that their aint no such thing as a god. 

The above. " sneaky baptized  ism "  gives the ummm, 
Lets say the " holder " the  full experience " 
Thusss
Having Moo Moo a full christian whom thinks he is a atheist.  
But he isn't. 
If he thinks.
Andddd he thinks. 

Butttt. 
His a Christian. FULL STOP

WHY NOT GET A FRIEND BORN A MOTHER FUCKEN GAN.
SNEAKY BAPTISM .
ITs ya basic baptizing of unexpected  peoples . 
Allllll treated with respect. 
But ummmmmm. Yeah 
Weve "a priest of the required  status.   
Fully certified.  
Cough,  legally binding.

Its the least you could do for a friend. .
It is a little costy . Buttttt. 
I could do that for  $ 350 bux. 
$364. 
Definitely under $400.
Thats 400 ÷ cups of coffee. 
That as little as 100 cups .

Anyway . Moo Moo will unfortunately one day ages from now pass. 
Guys .
He may. 

Then as we know he willl go up to that place in the sky to fill out his . heaven or hell  questioner thing. 
Then .

He will be shown through the heaven door. 
Then there is a basic lift like system,  up and down.
Up = heaven.  
Down = hell 
 
The doors instantly open and in he goes.
And then it will hit 
He has to now live his eternal life. 
Right that down  ( well thats like ya life ya live after your life that you lived..) 
You live thers With the spewy christians. 
' throw up' . 
FOR EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR




Your fuckin got. 

Thank you .
Thanks.


For sneaky baptisms .
PM me fuckers. 
Send a freind out for the dear christians to feed on. 


 
Ok ill stop now, 
Onwards Christians soldier

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But Atheists are susceptible to holy water. ?

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Ok whos the fuck head that just yelled that out. ?n

Who said that. 
Your a idiot.

' runs off to check the meaning of the word Atheist. ' 
Cheers , yesss. 

Whoever said that is a fucken fool. 
Atheists are not  what was that word .  Susceptible to holy water. 
As that is whom it is used on half the time.

So pull ya heads in.
This aint NO cattle train.

Wanker.



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Ok whos the fuck head that just yelled that out. ?n

Who said that. 
Your a idiot.

' runs off to check the meaning of the word Atheist. ' 
Cheers , yesss. 

Whoever said that is a fucken fool. 
Atheists are not  what was that word .  Susceptible to holy water. 
As that is whom it is used on half the time.

I Instantly get concerned about is there a large  Christian bottled water company. 
I think we may have been poisoned. 
We may very well be .
Im gonna say it .
CHRISTIANS. 
ALLLLLL OF US. 
Chem fare. 
anyway  thats a whole different  post.

So pull ya heads in.
This aint NO cattle train.

Wanker.



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Why would actual physicists have 0 math work behind them, especially when they are reacting to bold assertions? 🙃

Money, of course. Like religion.  https://youtu.be/LKiBlGDfRU8?si=NmQRqLhx2N38F0RZ

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@ADreamOfLiberty
Ive been atheist for a while now, but I’m just realizing that I haven’t really heard both sides of the argument. No disrespect to Alex O’Connor, but I feel like sometimes the sources I’m getting this stuff from can be a little one-sided, and what better place to hear the other side, than right here?
Deb. You've been an atheist for a while? Before that you were some sort of theist? 

You don't want to be convinced if you're already unconvinced, and besides, it isn't really about wanting if you're coming at it from an intellectual or academic perspective. And here is not where you would want to go to become convinced. A small, obscure dead debate forum and den of atheists like yourself.  Very much like yourself. What you want is an interesting exchange? I can do that. Tell me what questions, doubts and criticisms you might have about theism. What sort of theism are you interested in? My personal interest is the Bible. 

PS I don't know why the board put ADreamOfLiberty there, it was supposed to be @Moozer325

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@Moozer325
Well, some arguments for God are:

1. Only God (intelligent creator) completely explains the creation of consistent logic and laws in the whole universe.

2. Only God explains how time and space were created.

3. God must exist, because all powerful being is above the laws of logic and can create itself because being all powerful is not limited by its own existence.

Now, I find all arguments for God to be based on assumptions rather than observable evidence. Its just people pretending to know something they dont. People like simple explanations and God is a simple explanation to anything. Because God can simply explain anything, its the best choice for those not interested in a more advanced solutions.
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@Moozer325
Ive been atheist for a while now, but I’m just realizing that I haven’t really heard both sides of the argument. No disrespect to Alex O’Connor, but I feel like sometimes the sources I’m getting this stuff from can be a little one-sided, and what better place to hear the other side, than right here?
The question of God is not really that hard. There are lots of arguments for and against God. No one will be convinced who doesn't want to be convinced about the existence of God.  

Most people deny the existence of God at least because they haven't been persuaded by any evidence put forward to them. That's a matter for them I suppose. Many of these people have grown up and been educated in public schools and universities where the philosophy is secular. 

Many others deny the existence of God because it suits them not to believe in God because of some personal traumatic experience they had as a child or at some time in their past. 

Others have come from other cultures and religions and deduced rightly that their religion makes no sense and therefore because of that - they have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.  

Others like yourself - have never really given it a lot of thought. 

Some have given it a fair bit of thought and concluded from their own arguments that there is no god. 

On the other hand - many people are theists because of culture, tradition, they grew up in a particular place etc and have believed such from a time they were old enough to appreciate it. Others have come to a theistic position out of a desperate need to have someone love them or want them or because they were in a middle of a crisis and they cried out to what they thought was God and they were delivered. 

Others have converted to God since they have been convinced of the truth of God. 

Others have come from other cultures and religions and seen the difference and reasonableness of another God. 

Some have looked at the world about them and had the insight to question other's positions and realised that there was God. 

For me, the question is not about the existence of God. That part is not too difficult for those who have looked at the creation around us.  It's the question of who is God that is a complex question. 

The Christian religion - at least the Reformed part of that religion says it is impossible for someone to become a true Christian. For me, that is one of the strongest arguments for the existence of the Christian God. We say that people only become Christians because God reveals himself to them by revelation. Hence, it is impossible to prove his existence. 

The non-Reformed part of Christianity has a different take on this. They suggest that all people can come to God and reconcile themselves with God. That anyone can become a Christian simply by believing. That's why they rely so strongly on faith.  The Reformed part of Christianity agrees that faith is intrinsic, yet, the faith to believe is itself a gift from God. God gives faith to people to believe. IT's a matter of his choice. Not a matter of how good or bad we are. The non-Reformed Christian finds this position unpalatable. They say that's an arrogant thing. Whereas the Reformed person would say that saying there was somehow something a person to do to come to God is arrogant. 

Hence, there are all sorts of arguments for God. And his or her existence. Most atheists I find rely upon very sophisticated arguments of the highest order. Yet they wouldn't do this for other objects. They also try and rely upon scientific arguments - as opposed to the many other types of arguments that exist. Philosophical arguments are rejected for a variety of reasons. 

In my view - Atheists as a general rule haven't yet considered the type of evidence they would accept as being suitable to prove God's existence. They typically run around in circles - they ask - what is God what is God like. Tell us - so that we can prove God doesn't exist. Although they don't put it that way - they spin it. They say - tell us - so that we can consider the sort of evidence that will satisfy us. It never works that way though. 

Yes, there are some sincere atheists. And many ignorant ones who are half sincere. Yet there are also many militant atheists - who don't want to discuss - they just want to attack and pull down others. 

I hope you are one of the sensible and sincere ones - searching for answers.  All the best. 


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If you have the patience to watch a 1hr debate and want to see Alex debate someone on his level, I'd recommend his discussion with William Lane Craig on the Kalam cosmological argument.

There are people who absolutely hate Craig, but he's probably as deep as you get into complex apologetics. If you want someone who appeals more to the "common man," I'd recommend John Lennox and his debate with Hitchens.

thanks for the links

i will give these a watch
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@zedvictor4
I'm also a traditional atheist.

And also willing to be convinced otherwise.

Though I would require hard evidence.

Not myth and legend fantasy magical stuff.

i used to think there was absolutely no way an atheist would ever convert to christianity


but i've had a chance to speak to a few individuals who make this claim


and it essentially boils down to a specific PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

not "an argument" or "evidence"


it's a private epiphany


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The Christian religion - at least the Reformed part of that religion says it is impossible for someone to become a true Christian. For me, that is one of the strongest arguments for the existence of the Christian God. We say that people only become Christians because God reveals himself to them by revelation. Hence, it is impossible to prove his existence. 
i'm not sure how this could be considered a "strong argument" for christianity specifically

the question of "god(s) or not god(s)" is one thing

the question of "why this flavor of religion and not one of the thousands of other religions" is a completely different question
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@Moozer325
Ive been atheist for a while now, but I’m just realizing that I haven’t really heard both sides of the argument. No disrespect to Alex O’Connor, but I feel like sometimes the sources I’m getting this stuff from can be a little one-sided, and what better place to hear the other side, than right here?
omniscient omnipotent creator is definitely true

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1. Only God (intelligent creator) completely explains the creation of consistent logic and laws in the whole universe.
Only God does that? And Does God do that? 

2. Only God explains how time and space were created.
Show me where God does that. 

3. God must exist, because all powerful being is above the laws of logic and can create itself because being all powerful is not limited by its own existence.
Nonsense. 

Now, I find all arguments for God to be based on assumptions rather than observable evidence. Its just people pretending to know something they dont. People like simple explanations and God is a simple explanation to anything. Because God can simply explain anything, its the best choice for those not interested in a more advanced solutions.
You don't see the irony in that? 

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omniscient omnipotent creator is definitely true
Omnivore. Saying that Jehovah God is presented by his word the Bible as omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent or omnibenevolent in the theological sense is like saying an omnivore can eat the space-time continuum and nuclear weapons.  

Omniscient means knowing all in an exaggerated sense. Like Santa knows when you are sleeping. God didn't know what Adam and Eve had done until he asked them, he didn't know what Cain had done until he asked him; he sent three angels to ascertain whether or not reports of Sodom and Gomorrah he heard were accurate and he sent Joshua and the spies out in the land to report on it before they went in. God doesn't know what it is like to experience sin. 

Is he omnipotent in the theologically exaggerated sense? No. God can't lie. God can't die. God can't come to this universe. (1 Kings 8:27; 2 Chronicles 2:6) If he can't do that he certainly isn't omnipresent. And if he destroyed the entire world once, and soon again how can he be omnibenevolent? All the omni's as they are presented, are religious superstitious nonsense. 



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Omnivore. Saying that Jehovah God is presented by his word the Bible as omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent or omnibenevolent in the theological sense is like saying an omnivore can eat the space-time continuum and nuclear weapons.  

Omniscient means knowing all in an exaggerated sense. Like Santa knows when you are sleeping. God didn't know what Adam and Eve had done until he asked them, he didn't know what Cain had done until he asked him; he sent three angels to ascertain whether or not reports he heard were accurate and he sent Joshua and the spies out in the land to report on it before they went in. God doesn't know what it is like to experience sin. 

Is he omnipotent in the theologically exaggerated sense? No. God can't lie. God can't die. God can't come to this universe. (1 Kings 8:272 Chronicles 2:6) If he can't do that he certainly isn't omnipresent. And if he destroyed the entire world once, and soon again how can he be omnibenevolent? All the omni's as they are presented, are religious superstitious nonsense. 

i mean, great

if you don't believe in a god that contains all power and all knowledge

that's perfectly fine with me

and if that god happens to be inexplicable



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I feel faint, 
I think one of ya kunts has sneakly baptized me. 
Very funny guys .
Stop it now. 
Take it back

I googled .
Can a Atheist be baptized.  
It answered.  
A atheist just doesn't believe in a god or gods. 
I type in 
Can a atheist do this and that. 
And keeps on saying . 
A ATHEIST just doesn't believe in a god or friggen gods. 
Can a Atheist not believe in the TOE. 
Computer says, 
A atheist just don't do the thing
So 
Aparantly 
A atheist can in fact NOT , reverse a baptism. 
Im scared. 

I can see em . 
They've baptized me somehow . 
Obviously when i was in the shower the perverts. 
But ummm yeah .
' kicks dirt ' 
Very well played.

Good game.
Good game.

The baptism antidote will be..   ______________  ?
Guess.


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Omg you are Tradesecret
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Hi pal
 Can i get you a nice icy cold drink of water ?
Orrrr.
Can i baptize you. Please. ?
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@Moozer325
Well, I wouldn't pay too much attention to people like the ones debating the subject online. Using science to evaluate theology is as pointless as it sounds, and people like Craig were indoctrinated and support traditional theology which has been well documented as having been heavily influenced, in fact grossly distorted, by pagan philosophy. The trinity, immortal soul, hell, cross, rapture, Christmas, Easter for example. 
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Busted! And you are everyone else. Krusty. 
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You can feel the paganism in us.
We are Oh so pagan. 
Its  Horrible . 
But you can feel that everyone was pagan .
Not true buttt,
We are sooooooo pagan. 



I don't even eat kids now but. 
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It doesn't matter what I believe, but God isn't at all inexplicable. We were created in his image. That means that either we created him in our image or he created us in his. People only say he is inexplicable to save them the bother of investigating should they discover something they don't want to know. 
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Is it any wonder theists see atheists in a nonsensical stereotype and conversly reciprocal?  
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Can i baptize you
Sure.

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When I'm reading what your writing, my head automatically makes you sound like gollum for some reason.
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I guess when I say atheist, I don't mean that there absolutely cannot be any kind of all-powerful being. It's just that I believe all the major religions are pretty much bs, and if there is a creator, I sure haven't found it yet.
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Is it any wonder theists see atheists in a nonsensical stereotype and conversly reciprocal?
Theists see Jesus on dog's butt.

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@Moozer325
if there is a creator, I sure haven't found it yet
You wouldn't know him. He goes to another school.
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Theists see Jesus on dog's butt.
Some of them do, but they have to wait for science to get done poking around back there. 

Science is God's bitch. 
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We were created in his image.
and we know this how ?