Palestinians have been kicked out of every country they’ve been a part of. Ever.
Here’s a brief overview:
-1970 & 1971: expelled from Jordan for threatening Jordnaians’ freedoms and trying to lead a revolt against Jordan
-1991: expelled from Kuwait for supporting Sadam Hussein’s terrorsim
-1970’s & 1980’s: expelled from Lebanon for taking terrorists’ side in the lebanese civil war
-2011-present: expelled from Syria for also taking terrorists’ side in the syrian civil war
-2003-present: expelled from Iraq for being linked to Hussein’s regime
-PRESENT: Egypt refuses to absorb palestinians to this day, for they have been a social and economic burden on all the countries they were expelled from.
Now, let’s jump to 2005, when Israel literally evacuated Israelis from their homes in Gaza, gave it over to the Palestinians after absorbing them post egyptian war, and offered them civil liberties and hundreds of billions in funding.
With their new freedom and money, you might ask, what did they do?
They elected Hamas, (which we can get into the horrors if Hamas, but I doubt that you are pro-hamas) and turned the once-thriving Gaza into an absolute wasteland.
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Let’s talk about 10/7.
A brutal terrorist orginization, Hamas, launched a disgusting attack on the sovereignty of Israel.
In response, Israel defended itself by eradicating Hamas, which they are still in the proccess of. I won’t get into the intricacies of the war, like how Hezbollah in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen, or Iran is as well a factor at play, but what is important is this:
I fully condemn the death of Palestinians based on this war. When you look at the reasons of death and the numbers at play, however, you will see how you were sold a bad bill of goods.
First, let’s get the facts straight.
-around 40k palestinians have died
Every Palestinian that has died is a direct effect of Hamas’ initiation of this war (which Palestinians support) and is because of Hamas’ human shield policies. Hamas uses the Palestinians as human shields while they hide smugly in their terror tunnels which Iran built for them:
WIKIPEDIA:
"During the
Israel–Hamas war of 2023–2024,
EU nations accused Hamas of using hospitals as human shields, while the UN Secretary General said "Hamas and other militants use civilians as human shields".[12][13] In 2023,
HRW said that "Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups need to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians under their control from the effects of attacks and not use civilians as 'human shields.'"
[14] In 2024,
HRW reported at least two incidents where Palestinian fighters appear to have used Israeli hostages as human shields during the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel.[15] According to the New York Times, some
Gazans showed opposition to their usage as human shields by Hamas and some have refused the entry of militants to some shelters.[16]” (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_human_shields_by_Hamas)
Second, the population of Palestinians (which, if you do your research, you’ll find that Palestine is not actually a real place, and was a play on “the Philistines,” a group that genocided the Jews but that’s besides the point,) you’ll find that there are about 14 million Palestinians alive today. 40 thousand have died in this war. That is 0.35% of their population. In what world is killing 0.35% of a population a genocide? Even if it was intentional by the IDF (which I have proven that it isn’t,) it is not a genocide!
A real genocide is when 6 out of 17 million jews, roughly 35% were killed, as happened in the holocaust!
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I can go further, as Israel stands as the ONLY ally to America, the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. Were it to fall, that region of the world. would become even more volatile, a threat to all of western civilization. De facto, Israel is doing the world a favor by combatting their opposing militant forces in Hamas and Hezbollah.
Now tell me, Sir, why do you oppose Israel and/or support Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran/Palestine (which isn’t even a real place!)
I don’t mean to be rude, but what are your responses supposed to mean exactly? They’re almost completely incomprehensible.
Alright, I made the debate.
I would be willing to argue for the proposition "Palestinians should have their own country". It seems like you oppose that, though I could be mistaken.
We could also do something about Israel's conduct in the war, though morality debates are tricky.
Or something generally political, not necessarily about Israel.
"I believe countries that expel Jews tend to also cite reasons for it...Such as accusing them of economic parasitism, disloyalty, undermining the government or culture, blood libel, and so on.”
I don’t disagree. Let’s look at some examples throughout history of where and why Jews have been expelled. (And no, I didn’t cherrypick the ones that fit a pro-Israel narrative, I asked ChatGPT to pick a diverse myriad of countries)
England (1290): Jews were expelled under King Edward I due to economic resentment and anti-Semitic myths.
France (1306, 1394): Expelled to cancel debts and confiscate property, fueled by Catholic anti-Jewish sentiment.
Spain (1492): The Alhambra Decree forced Jews to convert or leave, driven by the Inquisition and Catholic unification.
Portugal (1496): Expelled under royal pressure for religious conformity.
Russia/Soviet Union (19th–20th centuries): Pogroms and restrictive laws targeted Jews under nationalism and anti-Semitism. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union)
Middle Eastern Countries (20th century): The Arab-Israeli conflict led to Jewish expulsions after 1948.
"I would be happy to debate about something, I don't know exactly what. I'm not really pro-Palestine or anti-Zionist though. I just oppose prejudice against any ethnic group, including Palestinians.”
We could debate about Palestinian vs. Jewish expulsion; although, I believe I’ve already proved my points, so maybe we should debate something else.
" your arguments gave me a headache, but I won't waste my time proving them wrong in a comment section honestly.”
I’ll offer you the same proposal as I did my opponent, AnonYmous_Icon: if you are going to say my arguments suck, then you’ve gotta to tell my why and how. My opponent has not done this, but hopefully you will.
"You are being inconsiderate with your sources, the UN you stated spoke against Hammas spoke against Israel and it's acts as well, you could have been fair and brought that out too.”
You are unclear here. What are you referencing in regard to the UN?
The UN is pretty antisemitic and even they admit that Hamas uses Palestinians as Human Shields; that was my point when I cited them as a source. I don’t understand what else you wanted me to mention.
Ouch, ouch, OUCH! My head hurt me, you really like one sided arguments, don't you? I wish I found this debate first, your arguments gave me a headache, but I won't waste my time proving them wrong in a comment section honestly. Just one critique though, You are being inconsiderate with your sources, the UN you stated spoke against Hammas spoke against Israel and it's acts as well, you could have been fair and brought that out too. But I guess picking a side forces one to hide anything that don't support their ideology, no?
I believe countries that expel Jews tend to also cite reasons for it other than "We hate Jews". Such as accusing them of economic parasitism, disloyalty, undermining the government or culture, blood libel, and so on.
I would be happy to debate about something, I don't know exactly what. I'm not really pro-Palestine or anti-Zionist though. I just oppose prejudice against any ethnic group, including Palestinians.
If I were truly lying, as you allege, then please outline what I have lied about in your final Debate argument.
I think you're winning this debate so far.
by all ur statements i realize that u r strongly influenced by Jews propaganda and then Zionist ideologies ,
truth is not in Jews neither Zionist , not in Muslims nor Christians
do u know Y i don't say something , becoz i see u caged ur self in some imaginary cage that is created by liars of some ideology
u never find the truth in any cage of anyone , truth is independent u need to understand that
u need to consider ur self as a human not a puppet of any religion/ideology
then u see truth is not what ppl of ideology/religion taught u
do u know ur a person , who am i when i'm child ,
whatever u say is a childish words , uncaged ur-self from and become free thinker
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"The Palestinians have been kicked out of every country they've ever been a part of" as an argument for the inherent evil of Palestinians is a dangerous one to make."
I made that argument to show that they are a group that causes trouble wherever they go, hence why they end up getting kicked out. Read my first argument and you will see explicitly the kind of trouble that they cause in the countries that exile them
"Especially when you apply the same logic to the other side.”
This is the differentiation that you fail to see.
Historically, when the Palestinians are expelled from a country, (as I talk about at length in my first argument) it’s because they have lead revolts, caused wars, take terrorists' side in a civil war, are terrorists themselves and because they are a social and economic burden on the country. Jordan, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan are all countries that have expelled and refuse to absorb Palestinians.
When Jews are expelled from a country, it’s usually because they are Jewish, and that particular country sees Jews as inferior. Take, for example, when Spain expelled its Jewish population in 1492 through the Alhambra Decree by Ferdinand and Isabella. The Spanish monarchs wanted Catholicism. So, they forced Jews to either convert to Christianity or leave the kingdom.
Want to debate about it?
If I’ve lied, then point it out. In fact, I point out some of your lies in my third argument.
"The Palestinians have been kicked out of every country they've ever been a part of" as an argument for the inherent evil of Palestinians is a dangerous one to make. Especially when you apply the same logic to the other side.
u r a good liar , i'm not good as u r
but i try to learn to make a lies like u