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You are allowed to post on this no matter what, as long as you obey the following rules:
1) You do not debate topics inside this actual thread, instead you create a thread or debate instead that you're welcome to link to here.
2) If you dislike a topic perhaps finding it irritating, comedic or offensive, you either keep it to yourself or discuss it privately with others. No drama here about things.
3) You keep topics suggested within site rules and not veiled attacks against particular members.
4) You state whether your intent is to debate it, which side you prefer to debate and/or whether you want to vote on it. If you would only debate/vote if it's within a certain range of characters or time-away-from now, feel free to specify that.
This is a very obvious solution I am sure many regular debaters and voters have thought 'should' exist but didn't really make happen yet. I am not some 'genius' for this, it is just going to become an official thread where willing and eager voters meet willing and eager debaters so that debaters can engage on topics at times when the voters interested in those topics are available to vote, without needing it to be 'judge debate' format that has to be unrated or any other such complication.
You should stick to topics that count as Rated debates. No 'rap battles between' or such things here. This is designed to help actual quality debating increase here since the main reason it doesn't is that debaters including me get faster 'burnout' as we realise most debates come down to either a lazy vote or someone 'saving' the other debater from the lazy vote etc.
Please do not say you are interested in a topic here, just for the sake of 'sparking ideas'. This is to be actual topics that if you saw them debated, you'd either engage with as a debater or as a voter (or both).
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After two of my votes were reported and removed, I just figured I had no idea how voting worked on this site because I am newer and only ever voted on DDO. I figured with time I would figure it out and also had a lengthy conversation with whiteflame about how to properly vote on this site.
But now that Undefeatable, Oromagi, Vici, and others who have come to be known as staples on this website have also had their votes reported and removed, I am beginning to suspect that nobody on this site other than the mods can actually come away with understanding the voting policy clear enough to cast a proper vote for a debate.
I think a very straightforward, detailed rewriting of the Voter Policy covering what is and is not proper for each voting category -- based on a pre-defined, agreed-upon standard -- would make a HUGE difference and give mods time to engage in more pressing matters than constantly having to review and remove votes and then debate with users over whether there was vote manipulation from the removals or not and other things related to people casting their ballots.
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I get to negotiate description and settings.
No shit like making me support pedophilia or racism.
I have no-gos and will not take a suicide topic.
You are free to make it unrated, I have no say in that.
The deal is your 4 votes are there at the end. If you do not have a valid vote on one of the 4 by the end, your count is deducted.
I will be debating often enough that 4 is attainable again and again.
The number can be docked to 3 or even 2 during myself and the site's less busy periods.
There are no strings attached, you pick the side and the topic.
The credit is permanent or until I truly quit (or am incapacitated, extremely stressed irl etc). 4 votes, from 3 days before this on my debates and I debate you on almost anything, rated or unrated.
4 equals 1, rap battles and such are not guaranteed for me to accept, I am refining and climbing debating now.
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I see a lot of debates with only a few votes. For those qualified to vote, should voting on debates be a requirement before they can participate in one? I'd def vote more if it guaranteed more votes on my debates. The alternative is people agreeing to vote on each other's debates, which seems like it could introduce bias.
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Yesterday I voted on this debate:
I intended to edit it afterwards but I didn't know you couldn't do that. And after reading some other votes I want to rewrite it even more because it feels lame and low-effort compared to what is apparently the standard here.
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Hey DART.
I'm hoping to post a MEEP soon. MEEP stands for Moderation Engagement and Enactment Process, it is a referendum on site policies.
This one will focus this on on refining the voting policies. Please submit any ideas for changes, addendums, etc.
Current questions which have been raised (will be updated as this thread progresses):
- Should waiving rounds count as poor conduct equal to forfeitures?
- Should Full Forfeits be broadened to missing every round after their first argument?
Such as someone forfeits the first round, shows up in the second or third, and forfeits the remainder. - Allow implicit justifications for lesser points?
I need better wording for this, but in essence not needing the spell out the absence of things. Such as one side having a dozen .gov and .edu sources, sure their impact needs to be mentioned if giving sources, but the other side having none and not challenging them is self evident at a glance. - Less stringent justification for counter points?
This may be a weird one, I don't know if it will make the cut into the referendum... So let's say someone gives you arguments and sources but gives the other side conduct and doesn't dot the i's and cross the t's on that part; with this change, the vote would not be removed so long as the primary points are justified to the standard... And yes, I have seen tactical vote reporting along these lines, wherein someone waits until near the end of the voting window to report such a vote against them.
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The current voting policy (sans update to S&G) can be viewed at: https://info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/voting-policy
I'm hoping people have ideas for improvements. So if so, please share them.
One example might be other voting paradigms which lead to valid votes. Another might be changing the point allotements within the categories. Etc.
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In short, for about a week, there will be a few questions open for the community to vote on.
Voting for this poll will be closed at 12 AM PT (UTC -7) on June 19, 2020.
Even though this is a non-binding un-official MEEP, it is sanctioned by the mods and the results could influence moderation policies and the implementation of future site features.
About MEEP:
As seen in the moderation overview
The Questions:
Below is an enumerated list of the content to be voted on. A brief explanation of each question is included as well.
Subsection B1: The Chief and Deputy Moderators and Site Owner
- Conduct violations against the Chief Moderator, Deputy Moderator, and the Site Owner will not be enforced, barring certain exceptions
- Exceptions to PA.A1.SB.SbB1.PI are limited to:
- Plausible, repeated, or serious threats
- Hacking or attempted hacking
- Staff Impersonation
- Doxxing or attempted doxxing
- Life- or health-threatening cyberbullying
- Violating the privacy of PMs not related to issues of moderation
- "Yes" indicates agreement with the removal of the above clause in the new COC.
- "No" indicates disagreement with the removal of the above clause in the new COC.
2. Are you for or against mods being allowed to vote in future MEEPs? Note that there are more than two options for this question:
- "Yes1" indicates a preference for banning all moderators from voting on referendums.
- "Yes2" indicates a preference for banning the chief and deputy moderators from voting on referendums.
- "Yes3" indicates a preference for limiting the chief and deputy from voting, save for breaking stalemates.
- "No" indicates opposition to this refinement.
3. Are you for or against votes being reported on (and possibly removed) after the voting period is finished? Note that there are more than two options for this question:
- "Yes1" indicates a preference for votes being reported on (and possibly removed) regardless of whether or not the ratings are changed.
- "Yes2" indicates a preference for votes being reported on (and possibly removed) only if ratings will be changed to reflect vote changes.
- "No" indicates opposition to this refinement.
4. Are you for or against the implementation of a polling section in DART?
- "Yes" indicates a preference for the implementation of a polling section in DART.
- "No" indicates opposition to the implementation of a polling section in DART.
5. Are you for or against the implementation of advertisements on DART? Note that there are more than two options for this question:
- "Yes1" indicates a preference for the implementation of pop-up ads, video ads, static banners, and text ads (text ads are like with sponsored links on Google).
- "Yes2" indicates a preference for the implementation of video ads, static banners, and text ads.
- "Yes3" indicates a preference for the implementation of static banners and text ads.
- "Yes4" indicates a preference for the implementation of text ads only.
- "No" indicates opposition to the implementation of advertisements on DART.
Voting:
This poll will use the same voting system as the previous MEEP.
A vote could look like this:
- Yes,
- Yes1, (the 1 signifying a preference for variant 1)
- Yes.
Like this (the missing 2, counts it as abstaining that question):1. No, each change should be an individual question3. Yes, we shouldn't even have voting rules.Or even like this (a vote against 3, but abstaining from the others):Wrong direction for voting, so no.
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Hello. I'm new here. I've been reading some debates on this site but I can't seem to find the button to vote anywhere. I'm talking about debates that have a 'voting' status. How do you vote for somebody?
Thanks in advance!
Simply
Thanks in advance!
Simply
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In short, for about a week we'll have a few voting questions open for the community to decide things.
This referendum will run until 10:00am PT (UTC-7), June 1st 2020.
About MEEP:
As seen in the moderation overview,
Moderation may submit questions and proposals regarding moderation policy, voting policy, and the code of conduct to Moderation Engagement and Enactment Processes (MEEPs). MEEPs are binding referenda and comment periods on the questions and proposals submitted. Moderation has full discretion on which questions and proposals are submitted to MEEPs, though no substantive change to the COC may be made without either the consent of the site owner(s) or ratification via a MEEP.
In order for a submitted question or proposal to be ratified, at least 10 users must have voted in the MEEP, and more than a majority of all those voting must have voted for the question or proposal. That means, in practice, that in a MEEP with 10 total voters, the minimum threshold for a binding result is 7 votes in favor of the proposal or question. If a MEEP fails to produce a binding result, moderation will maintain the pre-MEEP status quo, unless doing so is entirely untenable.
The Questions:
Below is an enumerated list of the content to be voted on. A brief explanation of each question is included as well. Please vote "yes" or "no" to each of these questions.
1. Ratify the new Code of Conduct?
Voting "yes" to this question will overhaul and streamline the Code of Conduct.
- Streamlined it, cutting the length by 45%.
- Made it no longer dependent upon external extended policies and interpretations documents.
- Codified various policies (e.g., context affecting consequences, protocols for new accounts, etc.)
- Removal of the trolling and insults rules, but adding a no targeted harassment rule.
- Expanded to impersonation rule to everyone.
- Removal of the harassing the moderators is ok rule (don’t worry, we’ll still have thick skin).
- Removal of the no "Contravening or Disregarding Moderation" rule.
- Added clauses to protect children.
- And more...
2. Allow sharing of Private Messages?
This is not to imply encouraging it... A "yes" to this may be divided into two subsets (either yes option endorses change):
This is not to imply encouraging it... A "yes" to this may be divided into two subsets (either yes option endorses change):
- "Yes1" indicates with minimal restrictions. Identifying information for example, is still protected under the general doxing rule.
- "Yes2" indicates exclusively with moderator approval.
3. Change the Voting Policy to expand S&G to include other excessive legibility issues?
Voting “yes” would amend the Spelling and Grammar in the Voting Policy, to allow consideration of other legibility issues which distract the user from the arguments themselves (sPeLlInG EvErYtHiNg lIke tHiS, as an example). This would slightly simplify one aspect of voting, and inform a larger effort to overhaul the voting policies in a manner similar to the CoC.
4. Require a reason when submitting a report?
Voting "yes," would require users to message a moderator or use the upcoming improved report tool provide details on why the report is being filed.
No is divided into two options,
- "No1" indicates a belief against the requirement.
- "No2" indicates opposition to upgrading the report tool in that direction.
Voting:
I'm not that attached to how people vote, so long as it's easy to understand. People may also change their votes, but please don't be a pain about it.
A vote could look like this:
- Yes,
- Yes1, (the 1 signifying a preference for variant 1)
- Yes.
Like this (the missing 2, counts it as abstaining that question):
1. No, each change should be an individual question
3. Yes, we shouldn't even have voting rules.
Or even like this (a vote against 3, but abstaining from the others):
Wrong direction for voting, so no.
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