I do not have them, and I am 100% straight, and right now I am holding my baby. And love being straight.
Though, LGB campaign in your society will turn it into that, one day it will be compulsory for each of you to experience it to have knowledge of it or accept it.
More of be like that, that it will be inevitable for you to avoid having experience it.
Wish you best of luck for that.
lancelot, you're probably gay, and trying to provoke me. Why the fck you doing all that in comment section?
When there is already a debate between us. I suggest try preparing your argument.
Do you think a comment like that would make me any bad person? Obviously, if you would be talking like that, then I would be polite as well.
Last debate was warm up, and I took it big advantage to present and show complete instruction of Islamic teaching for operating life. That is why I went out of the scope of debate.
I can present concise and to the point arguments. But it was more of a preaching opportunity than debate. I would have won it any way if there was not that inevitable forfeit.
After that, you did not mutually agree about rule 4, so I also gave up.
But it was good to demonstrate about instruction given by Islam. And best thing was to present even spiritual instruction and side of Islam as well. How could I lose such an opportunity. I am going to record that debate in a video about teaching of Islam.
If you call our prophet pedo and give definition and keep it to intellectual and academic level than it's not insult. But going beyond what is necessary for the debate is problematic and would be against rule and cause you to lose the points.
LOL, so far I have seen all childish moves you can do. You are immature. You can just play emotional games. Your best weapon is mockery, which works on a few, but not for me.
We have not argued with each other. And the last debate I did, arguments wise, I was winning.
The desperate condition of Con in this debate and his frustration and crying about comment section shows, how frustrated he was. But he had the support of his filthy, biased friends.
Being agnostic, he has chosen to take the stance of Buddhism and when got defeated he ran to atheism. And he was inviting his filthy friends to vote for what was in his mind and never bother to present in the debate. This debate shows ho lowly and how less IQ you guys have and how dishonest you guys are. I would have cancelled your vote, bomb. But rule no 4 already gave you immunity that is why you can get away with it, but never try to do this for any of my other debates.
If you want to have a discussion with me, come in private message. On the other hand, you are that much dumb to not know when someone is debating he must not talk about it to give clues in advance. I helped so many guys for their debate in comment section. That DDO guys put a rule to not help debaters in comment section LOL. Do you think I will do it for my own debate?
You are dumber than what I thought. Or you are trying to be over smart to take advantage of it?
hahahahah, you want to debate with me in comment section?
You are no more than that, thomas. Who can debate in forum or comment section. Why not accept the debate, then?
You lowly filth.
If you want to argue, then come to debate. What you said, there is debate already about that topic. But low intellect can not understand it at all.
I can see your frustration from the recent vote bomb. I have mentioned it in debate and in comment sections as well that if a voter goes for rule number 4 I can't stop it. Because your dear slainte was too scared to mutually agree on dropping round 2 to have fair and square debate and was able to win debate.
You are also coward who put lame excuses to make the debate ranking. You do not dare to accept it. Because you will be destroyed. This time I will put the argument within a window of 1 week. And I will see who dare to vote bomb on it. Because i will not leave that chance at all in sha Allah.
Stop throwing garbage out of yourself.
slainte himself is tard and ban manner guy and sir idiot too. And you complain to me to be like that?
You saw the first Muslim to be above your level. If you have met idiot Muslims in your whole life, it's not my fault. Your mumbo jumbo science is infant right now. And it was born through Islam.
To understand a little, about what I am saying, check my video about how atheism got into us.
There is debate instigated, which open challenged. But your low IQ can't comprehend that I am not running, but I have put an open challenge for any tard to accept.
you are dumb people, you called yourself animals and your ancestors are animals. what can i aspect from you. you say having sex with sublings and ancestors is no problem at all. Survival of fittest is your excuses when shows hostilities.
You and your intellect is garbage.
kid u sucks on debates, i have seen you, there were many who were more better, way much better than you, but they also forfeited. i am not saying i am high and might but the one who is my creator is. you can do filth in comment section. you debate would be just like slainte. Who is garbage. you all are garbage. why putting excuses. i wont do anything which will waste my time, i tried to edit the debate but it seems it cant be changed to rating right now. and i not going to close it and then make new ranting one. if you want then accept it. otherwise get lost.
when you lose you target like that.
Garbage can only spread filth, no good come from garbage.
hahahah, babies from eggs. Now you started this?
Empty utensils make a lot of noise.
You've got nothing, just what you are doing now. And for this I do not have time. I started another debate. Have guts accept.
Little brother you are funny, you left debate saying i am a bad guy and have done bad in comment section. i was not supposed to continue the debate, as you did not have the manner to spare someone's condition because of inevitable circumstances. i asked you in private message that can you skip round 2. but you took advantage of something which was out of my hand. tbh i lost interest debating with u as well. you were very desperate to win, even wanted to take advantage of rule 4. Which was actually put to let not people leave debate without any reason and have good conduct. While you took it for your advantage and served it for opposite.
What you call your punch was dealt in earlier arguments, if you had read about it. You really do not know how a debate is done.
You picked Buddhism as your stance, not atheism. Even then I dealt both ideas in 3rd round.
But it's shame none you and voter read that.
see how you ruin the debate, your emotional mumbo jumbo, and also crying.
you call it a debate?
it is just like that debate which i did on DDO. kingdebator ruin it same way. but then he challenged me into another debate and where he run away and forfeited in 3rd round.
Brother, I know my auto loss rule. If voter had mentioned that, I would accept. But he's simply doing vote bomb and considering me loose debate on the basis of argument.
If he does that on my other debates, then it would be a problem. I do not care about this debate, as the rule was set by me. But him saying I lost over arguments without good RFD is not acceptable.
He can keep the points in the same way, but must give just RFD and honest as well.
This guy, not debating. And a debating website is where intellectual people have good conversation and arguments with each other. Trolling destroy the good vibes of this platform.
i am a serious debater. But these kinds of people causing us to leave.
do you want to loose people who really do debates over those who just troll?
This happened with DDO. do you want to repeat it again? Also the bugs in that website.
He is committing blasphemy.
if you wont do something about it then we have instructions, and i must follow them.
وَإِذَا رَأَيْتَ ٱلَّذِينَ يَخُوضُونَ فِىٓ ءَايَـٰتِنَا فَأَعْرِضْ عَنْهُمْ حَتَّىٰ يَخُوضُوا۟ فِى حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِۦ ۚ وَإِمَّا يُنسِيَنَّكَ ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنُ فَلَا تَقْعُدْ بَعْدَ ٱلذِّكْرَىٰ مَعَ ٱلْقَوْمِ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِي٦٨
When you see those who indulge in (blaspheming) Our verses, turn away from them until they become occupied with some other discourse. If Satan should cause you to forget (this instruction), then do not sit with the unjust people after recollection.
i am not upset. probably you do.
i told you many times it is normal course of actions.
i faced jury about my vote in 2012 on DDO. where i voted against nakashmatwadi. 1 vote with 7 points in the favour of a muslim guy while 7 votes against him.
my 1 single vote is still standing there if there would be database for that debate somewhere.
can you imagine?
why?
Because my vote was just. And i had to do a lengthy debate with that person who admitted my vote to be just and not vote bomb. and jury did not let me until he admitted himself.
so do not be upset.
i am doing which normally happens in debates.
for my rule number 4 i accept it with open arms but not for arguments. Which is vote bomb.
Brothers i could copy only this debate from DDO, just after that, they just shut down the website, very bad i could not copy others. this is the debate i did with KingDebater.
in 2012 i guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyYCM8vEjQ
can you imagine the biased statement of lencelot?
This is mind set here?
Muslim will lose any debate against atheist? Hahaha very funny.
this shows dishonesty. That means you guys won't let me win because you are dominant on this website?
And you can get away with it with your vote bombs?
Try me brother, challenge anything, also if vote to be cased like sevant did then it's sure we will lose. Otherwise, no chance.
How much slainte was crying in debate, he was so confused even for his stance and left debate in the mid.
Believe me, my first debate was more rough on DDO. And in last round debater himself said that this debate is tie and no one should vote for him and for me. But still people vote bomb against me. Its shame.
You can't win fair and square.
Brother, i am an old debater, and I am not hyper at all. It's casual, nothing serious, but the RFD from sevant is not a good one. How you call him best debater and credible voter? He won 10 debates? Well, most of them are because of forfeit. Even he has won 10000 debates. But voting is something else. He put himself in your shoes when voted. I am just asking moderator to take actions, and he must improve his RFD. Be honest, we did not carry debate. It was dismissed, and you already know you can't win this debate based on arguments. Because there are not many from you. You left debate. i rebutted each of your statement in detail. His RFD shows, clearly, he did not read the debate. I have already break down his RFD any doubt in that analysis? This is not strange, for a Muslim he has to do separate debate for his arguments for his votes and the votes cast against him as well. i have faced this before.
Voter said:
“Pro gives a lengthy description of Islam, perhaps more than was necessary. “
Refutation:
Its not your part to decide how lengthy my argument should be totally irrelevant, which proves he did not read it.
Voter Said:
Pro wants me to assume that a philosophy with more rules is better, but he does little to argue for why that is true.
Refutation:
brother what are you doing?
This is not your duty to assume or debate with me. You are mere voter. You have to vote what is within debate.
I am speechless, literally speechless. Its childish.
Did I not say a system to be best or superior need to have complete set of code. And from definition of life I extracted the idea that, the more instruction from some system the more near to perfection it is. Resolution was which philosophy is superior for someone’s operating life.
We need to identify operations related to life so that we can analyze are those instructions for operations of life are good or not. Which con totally neglected and you also did not see that point I made in my 2nd argument. Kids grow up.
Voter Said:
“ Con gives a few benefits of Buddhism and argues that no philosophy is "the best," but there's not much in the way of a direct comparison to Islam”
Refutation:
voter found same things to be benefits of buddhism while not from me? Its strange and baised.
I gave alternative of what con gave from buddhism and argued the disadvantages of buddhism in that regard. Probably voter did not read that as well, such a shame.
I claimed Islam is best, while Con himself admitted that no philosophy is best. Its clear cut forfeit from the resolution. What are you doing brother here? Shame
Voter Said:
“ Pro mitigates this somewhat, arguing that Islam is better for meditation and managing one's life.”
Refutation:
brother you have some problem with me?
Am i mitigating? This is what you are saying for the good of me?
This is how your are appreciating me? Funny it is LOL.
Voter Said:
“But then Con comes back strong, arguing, "I find it very difficult to believe that a philosophical system that micromanages ones life is :the best".
Refutation:
I did not find that argument at all in debate. Where is it? And there is no reason to accept this.
Even that argument is made, there is no reason given why a system which micromanages ones life cant be best.
Here is Voter making his own assumptions. And trying to make me wrong with his own argument in RFD. Shame.
Voter said:
“ At the core, certain religions and philosophical positions are designed to be a type of indentured servitude, where the work in your is for the benefit of a deity or prophet, be-it God, Allah, Mohammad, Jesus, Mary, Shiva, Vishnu etc."
Refutation:
this where Con gave questions. Completely baiting his like minded people and voter got trapped in that trap. Such a shame. Did I not mention it in debate to not go on that route.
Con just gave question but not the argument why its bad. In rebuttal I said that every system has some strict to be followed to implement that system. Like police in any country. If that is good for the people there should be no argument about it to be bad, because it is not.
While this argument was never put by Con. It was just questions. And fear of hell and heaven was mentioned.
My debate was with slainte not sevant.
Why is he debating with me in vote section?
He said,
This seems like the best example of something that directly addresses the resolution, it flips most of what Pro said, and I don't see a response from Pro
read the debate one more time and then vote again brother please.
He said,
In the end, Pro's criticisms of Buddhism largely fall short after Con makes the point about indentured servitude since Con is arguing that people ought to take aspects from both Islam and Buddhism—it might not be the debate Pro was looking for, but it falls within the scope of the resolution.
There was no such argument.
I am telling he is trying to debate with me in vote section.
He never refuted any of my argument, he was just complaining about my behavior in comment section.
I already argued about that, in buddhism there is external influence.
There are books and practices there are tamples of buddah.
People give charity in the name of buddah. There was a guy who had idol of buddah in the form of amulet and was not letting us touch it.
Buddah is considered god by many as well.
And so on.
I am very disappointed from voter to vote bomb on this debate.
If he has given him points on forfeit it would be justified but saying he made better argument while there are no arguments at all then its shame.
you guys giving tie for better source while his links did not work.
how biased. well i will see who will do this onward.
as i will never leave that chance for anyone to have.
his bait to invite atheist to vote bomb worked.
very nice, same vibe which i saw during DDO times.
and i got almost 60 votes. and all top voters voted me then. and all worst vote bombed against me and some vote bombed in my favor as well.
brother, you had to give a RFD for your vote, not debate with me. What you did in RDF is totally extensions and further more assumptions from the no arguments from con. i feel very bad about it.
you got to give points to what is already in debate not to add to make your RTF a debate itself.
i would consider it vote bomb. if you will not explain it to me here i would call jury about this.
vote based on forfeit should give conduct points. and did you not see swings by con. he himself was not satisfied with his Buddhism argument and wanted to change his strategy to tackle.
bro what are you doing. you took his bait. he did not give any reason why believing in deity and being atheist and not effected by external force is better.
i am sure you did not see the refutation about it. you probably left my part just like con did. i gave example that people do good because of fear of getting punished in any system.
like every country has police. and still there come troubles.
bro such a shame after seeing your vote. How biased and UN just that is.
How scared u r this time. Devil followers. Last time what u did is not going to happen this time. i will destroy you this time in sha Allah with the mercy of Allah.
Brother,
Your messages are becoming smaller. Improvement.
Would you become Muslim if I give good, convincing answers to your questions?
Otherwise, it would be wastage of time, Quran has forbid us to debate or argue with ignorant.
That is why I was not responding to you. But if there is hope for you, I can do efforts.
Brother rayhan what are you doing brother. This is not mere debating, it's about Islam brother our religion. Do not be reckless. Do more efforts. On DDO there was a debate and there were 7 votes for a Muslim guy and vote from me and i gave all 7 points to the Muslim guy. And opposite debater was ex Muslim from Arab country, a good one. Among 43 lost only 1 debate.
because of copy and paste and laziness of Muslim brother he won but left a flaw which I picked. And voted against him because of that. But he called jury and there was big debate for my vote even with the debater. And he himself accepted my RDF and asked jury to be dismissed.
I can not do that ever again. That debate was about miracle of Quran. Here we go about contradictions. So easy to refute. But your laziness got you here. Why not go in deep and study real meaning about those verses? There is exegesis and detail commentary about them.
brother, try harder next time.I pray to Allah to help you next time, ameen.
Whatever you are asking, I have done debates about them and there are good answers for them too.
but the question is that, shall i answer you or not?
the asnwer is not.
i do not want to have debate with you because, i need a formal debate about these topics which you do not want to do.
if you really want to debate with me on those topics then you must instigate a debate or let me do it and you can accept my challange.
if you do not want that then keep your mouth shut. and do not waste your time for typing that much for vain. Because i swear to Allah i do not bother to read them.
i gave you chance, as slainte complaint about my behavior, and i looked back at myself and found i was at fault. even though in toxicity i can beat anyone as well.
but i choose being polite. as the mission is to show the true massage of islam and my personal attitude must not affect the message.
i apologize to anyone with whom i was harsh, i will correct myself in sha Allah.
thomas if you remain on the website and not get tired i will reply all those question with debate in near future, there is no rush at all. as i am busy person have work family and person life.
so i will do everything at my pace.
Open your eyes and see what i have did in comment section. in my society its even big deal. but as far as your society is concern, its just what even kids do in their formal conversations.
Why are you hyper about it?
i did not force you to debate with me.
i am being respectful with everyone who has been with me. in debate as well.
be careful next time do not debate with me.
tbh you are being child in debate. you do not know what you are talking and what you shall do for rebutting the arguments.
you are probably a child.
You are a troll, you are simply trolling in debate.
There i no argument from you at all. Simply wasting my time. Most of the debates you won were by forfeit.
what happens in the comment section is not part of the debate. And i have not done anything bad in comment section. i guess you guys call it freedom of speech. I am not here preaching right now but debating. I was very respectful and good, but you guys changed me. Have you seen the behavior of that mad dog Thomas?
You are teaching me how to debate? lol
as far as arguments are concern, you have put none. Just expressed your personal opinion about your stuff.
history has repeated, my first debate on DDO was like that, a trolled one and a vote bomb. But all remaining were good.
TBH everyone who debated me just run away after few arguments. Because i remove skin from hairs.
your behavior in debate is the same.
you just keep emotions away from debates. But you become emotional and your last argument is totally filled with emotions. and you kind of left the debate.
emotional statement are not getting you anywhere.
About forfeit its loose for me unless you agree. But u do not have spirit of debate to compete with arguments and logic but, you used forfeit to win the debate, such a shame. Instead of complaining me, you shall remove this stupid Thomas by reporting.
Admin do you have anything for toxic guys like thomas? They are running the vibe of debating website. A brain-dead person shall not have any place being here.
hahaha, babies, is there no mature person on this debating website?
I am out of here.
I have measured your caliber, you are a total waste of time. You need a little mental check up.
Do you know what homophobic means?
I am sure you do not.
I do not have them, and I am 100% straight, and right now I am holding my baby. And love being straight.
Though, LGB campaign in your society will turn it into that, one day it will be compulsory for each of you to experience it to have knowledge of it or accept it.
More of be like that, that it will be inevitable for you to avoid having experience it.
Wish you best of luck for that.
lancelot, you're probably gay, and trying to provoke me. Why the fck you doing all that in comment section?
When there is already a debate between us. I suggest try preparing your argument.
shut the fck up bastard, you being his bitc8ch.
Focus on yourself and try this debate.
Do you think a comment like that would make me any bad person? Obviously, if you would be talking like that, then I would be polite as well.
Last debate was warm up, and I took it big advantage to present and show complete instruction of Islamic teaching for operating life. That is why I went out of the scope of debate.
I can present concise and to the point arguments. But it was more of a preaching opportunity than debate. I would have won it any way if there was not that inevitable forfeit.
After that, you did not mutually agree about rule 4, so I also gave up.
But it was good to demonstrate about instruction given by Islam. And best thing was to present even spiritual instruction and side of Islam as well. How could I lose such an opportunity. I am going to record that debate in a video about teaching of Islam.
What are you doing here? Did you now say you will not engage with me onward?
Stay on what you said. And get lost from here.
If you call our prophet pedo and give definition and keep it to intellectual and academic level than it's not insult. But going beyond what is necessary for the debate is problematic and would be against rule and cause you to lose the points.
LOL, so far I have seen all childish moves you can do. You are immature. You can just play emotional games. Your best weapon is mockery, which works on a few, but not for me.
We have not argued with each other. And the last debate I did, arguments wise, I was winning.
The desperate condition of Con in this debate and his frustration and crying about comment section shows, how frustrated he was. But he had the support of his filthy, biased friends.
Being agnostic, he has chosen to take the stance of Buddhism and when got defeated he ran to atheism. And he was inviting his filthy friends to vote for what was in his mind and never bother to present in the debate. This debate shows ho lowly and how less IQ you guys have and how dishonest you guys are. I would have cancelled your vote, bomb. But rule no 4 already gave you immunity that is why you can get away with it, but never try to do this for any of my other debates.
If you want to have a discussion with me, come in private message. On the other hand, you are that much dumb to not know when someone is debating he must not talk about it to give clues in advance. I helped so many guys for their debate in comment section. That DDO guys put a rule to not help debaters in comment section LOL. Do you think I will do it for my own debate?
You are dumber than what I thought. Or you are trying to be over smart to take advantage of it?
hahahahah, you want to debate with me in comment section?
You are no more than that, thomas. Who can debate in forum or comment section. Why not accept the debate, then?
You lowly filth.
If you want to argue, then come to debate. What you said, there is debate already about that topic. But low intellect can not understand it at all.
I can see your frustration from the recent vote bomb. I have mentioned it in debate and in comment sections as well that if a voter goes for rule number 4 I can't stop it. Because your dear slainte was too scared to mutually agree on dropping round 2 to have fair and square debate and was able to win debate.
You are also coward who put lame excuses to make the debate ranking. You do not dare to accept it. Because you will be destroyed. This time I will put the argument within a window of 1 week. And I will see who dare to vote bomb on it. Because i will not leave that chance at all in sha Allah.
Stop throwing garbage out of yourself.
slainte himself is tard and ban manner guy and sir idiot too. And you complain to me to be like that?
You saw the first Muslim to be above your level. If you have met idiot Muslims in your whole life, it's not my fault. Your mumbo jumbo science is infant right now. And it was born through Islam.
To understand a little, about what I am saying, check my video about how atheism got into us.
There is debate instigated, which open challenged. But your low IQ can't comprehend that I am not running, but I have put an open challenge for any tard to accept.
you are dumb people, you called yourself animals and your ancestors are animals. what can i aspect from you. you say having sex with sublings and ancestors is no problem at all. Survival of fittest is your excuses when shows hostilities.
You and your intellect is garbage.
kid u sucks on debates, i have seen you, there were many who were more better, way much better than you, but they also forfeited. i am not saying i am high and might but the one who is my creator is. you can do filth in comment section. you debate would be just like slainte. Who is garbage. you all are garbage. why putting excuses. i wont do anything which will waste my time, i tried to edit the debate but it seems it cant be changed to rating right now. and i not going to close it and then make new ranting one. if you want then accept it. otherwise get lost.
when you lose you target like that.
Garbage can only spread filth, no good come from garbage.
A mad dog releasing his frustration though vote bomb. LOL
You gave him resources points as well for his broken links? This shows how dishonest and filth you are.
Team of cowards, who vote bomb for each others.
hahahah, babies from eggs. Now you started this?
Empty utensils make a lot of noise.
You've got nothing, just what you are doing now. And for this I do not have time. I started another debate. Have guts accept.
Normal means. A marriage between man and woman who are happy about it.
Looking forward to a serious debater.
Get lost you idiot, I am done with you. You do not deserve my attention. Just never accept any debate with me.
Little brother you are funny, you left debate saying i am a bad guy and have done bad in comment section. i was not supposed to continue the debate, as you did not have the manner to spare someone's condition because of inevitable circumstances. i asked you in private message that can you skip round 2. but you took advantage of something which was out of my hand. tbh i lost interest debating with u as well. you were very desperate to win, even wanted to take advantage of rule 4. Which was actually put to let not people leave debate without any reason and have good conduct. While you took it for your advantage and served it for opposite.
What you call your punch was dealt in earlier arguments, if you had read about it. You really do not know how a debate is done.
You picked Buddhism as your stance, not atheism. Even then I dealt both ideas in 3rd round.
But it's shame none you and voter read that.
see how you ruin the debate, your emotional mumbo jumbo, and also crying.
you call it a debate?
it is just like that debate which i did on DDO. kingdebator ruin it same way. but then he challenged me into another debate and where he run away and forfeited in 3rd round.
I wonder why he turned that way, probably he did debates after me. I did around 2012 and 13
Brother, I know my auto loss rule. If voter had mentioned that, I would accept. But he's simply doing vote bomb and considering me loose debate on the basis of argument.
If he does that on my other debates, then it would be a problem. I do not care about this debate, as the rule was set by me. But him saying I lost over arguments without good RFD is not acceptable.
He can keep the points in the same way, but must give just RFD and honest as well.
This guy, not debating. And a debating website is where intellectual people have good conversation and arguments with each other. Trolling destroy the good vibes of this platform.
i am a serious debater. But these kinds of people causing us to leave.
do you want to loose people who really do debates over those who just troll?
This happened with DDO. do you want to repeat it again? Also the bugs in that website.
He is committing blasphemy.
if you wont do something about it then we have instructions, and i must follow them.
وَإِذَا رَأَيْتَ ٱلَّذِينَ يَخُوضُونَ فِىٓ ءَايَـٰتِنَا فَأَعْرِضْ عَنْهُمْ حَتَّىٰ يَخُوضُوا۟ فِى حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِۦ ۚ وَإِمَّا يُنسِيَنَّكَ ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنُ فَلَا تَقْعُدْ بَعْدَ ٱلذِّكْرَىٰ مَعَ ٱلْقَوْمِ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِي٦٨
When you see those who indulge in (blaspheming) Our verses, turn away from them until they become occupied with some other discourse. If Satan should cause you to forget (this instruction), then do not sit with the unjust people after recollection.
Admin do something about this, thomas. Ban him. Why he is not banned yet?
Going to record this debate for YouTube as well.
I saw airmax account with same profile picture with tiny devil lol.
But seems he is not active.
That would be awesome.
We can do that, surely.
i am not upset. probably you do.
i told you many times it is normal course of actions.
i faced jury about my vote in 2012 on DDO. where i voted against nakashmatwadi. 1 vote with 7 points in the favour of a muslim guy while 7 votes against him.
my 1 single vote is still standing there if there would be database for that debate somewhere.
can you imagine?
why?
Because my vote was just. And i had to do a lengthy debate with that person who admitted my vote to be just and not vote bomb. and jury did not let me until he admitted himself.
so do not be upset.
i am doing which normally happens in debates.
for my rule number 4 i accept it with open arms but not for arguments. Which is vote bomb.
Brothers i could copy only this debate from DDO, just after that, they just shut down the website, very bad i could not copy others. this is the debate i did with KingDebater.
in 2012 i guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyYCM8vEjQ
can you imagine the biased statement of lencelot?
This is mind set here?
Muslim will lose any debate against atheist? Hahaha very funny.
this shows dishonesty. That means you guys won't let me win because you are dominant on this website?
And you can get away with it with your vote bombs?
Try me brother, challenge anything, also if vote to be cased like sevant did then it's sure we will lose. Otherwise, no chance.
How much slainte was crying in debate, he was so confused even for his stance and left debate in the mid.
Believe me, my first debate was more rough on DDO. And in last round debater himself said that this debate is tie and no one should vote for him and for me. But still people vote bomb against me. Its shame.
You can't win fair and square.
Brother, i am an old debater, and I am not hyper at all. It's casual, nothing serious, but the RFD from sevant is not a good one. How you call him best debater and credible voter? He won 10 debates? Well, most of them are because of forfeit. Even he has won 10000 debates. But voting is something else. He put himself in your shoes when voted. I am just asking moderator to take actions, and he must improve his RFD. Be honest, we did not carry debate. It was dismissed, and you already know you can't win this debate based on arguments. Because there are not many from you. You left debate. i rebutted each of your statement in detail. His RFD shows, clearly, he did not read the debate. I have already break down his RFD any doubt in that analysis? This is not strange, for a Muslim he has to do separate debate for his arguments for his votes and the votes cast against him as well. i have faced this before.
Voter said:
“Pro gives a lengthy description of Islam, perhaps more than was necessary. “
Refutation:
Its not your part to decide how lengthy my argument should be totally irrelevant, which proves he did not read it.
Voter Said:
Pro wants me to assume that a philosophy with more rules is better, but he does little to argue for why that is true.
Refutation:
brother what are you doing?
This is not your duty to assume or debate with me. You are mere voter. You have to vote what is within debate.
I am speechless, literally speechless. Its childish.
Did I not say a system to be best or superior need to have complete set of code. And from definition of life I extracted the idea that, the more instruction from some system the more near to perfection it is. Resolution was which philosophy is superior for someone’s operating life.
We need to identify operations related to life so that we can analyze are those instructions for operations of life are good or not. Which con totally neglected and you also did not see that point I made in my 2nd argument. Kids grow up.
Voter Said:
“ Con gives a few benefits of Buddhism and argues that no philosophy is "the best," but there's not much in the way of a direct comparison to Islam”
Refutation:
voter found same things to be benefits of buddhism while not from me? Its strange and baised.
I gave alternative of what con gave from buddhism and argued the disadvantages of buddhism in that regard. Probably voter did not read that as well, such a shame.
I claimed Islam is best, while Con himself admitted that no philosophy is best. Its clear cut forfeit from the resolution. What are you doing brother here? Shame
Voter Said:
“ Pro mitigates this somewhat, arguing that Islam is better for meditation and managing one's life.”
Refutation:
brother you have some problem with me?
Am i mitigating? This is what you are saying for the good of me?
This is how your are appreciating me? Funny it is LOL.
Voter Said:
“But then Con comes back strong, arguing, "I find it very difficult to believe that a philosophical system that micromanages ones life is :the best".
Refutation:
I did not find that argument at all in debate. Where is it? And there is no reason to accept this.
Even that argument is made, there is no reason given why a system which micromanages ones life cant be best.
Here is Voter making his own assumptions. And trying to make me wrong with his own argument in RFD. Shame.
Voter said:
“ At the core, certain religions and philosophical positions are designed to be a type of indentured servitude, where the work in your is for the benefit of a deity or prophet, be-it God, Allah, Mohammad, Jesus, Mary, Shiva, Vishnu etc."
Refutation:
this where Con gave questions. Completely baiting his like minded people and voter got trapped in that trap. Such a shame. Did I not mention it in debate to not go on that route.
Con just gave question but not the argument why its bad. In rebuttal I said that every system has some strict to be followed to implement that system. Like police in any country. If that is good for the people there should be no argument about it to be bad, because it is not.
While this argument was never put by Con. It was just questions. And fear of hell and heaven was mentioned.
My debate was with slainte not sevant.
Why is he debating with me in vote section?
He said,
This seems like the best example of something that directly addresses the resolution, it flips most of what Pro said, and I don't see a response from Pro
read the debate one more time and then vote again brother please.
He said,
In the end, Pro's criticisms of Buddhism largely fall short after Con makes the point about indentured servitude since Con is arguing that people ought to take aspects from both Islam and Buddhism—it might not be the debate Pro was looking for, but it falls within the scope of the resolution.
There was no such argument.
I am telling he is trying to debate with me in vote section.
He never refuted any of my argument, he was just complaining about my behavior in comment section.
I already argued about that, in buddhism there is external influence.
There are books and practices there are tamples of buddah.
People give charity in the name of buddah. There was a guy who had idol of buddah in the form of amulet and was not letting us touch it.
Buddah is considered god by many as well.
And so on.
I am very disappointed from voter to vote bomb on this debate.
If he has given him points on forfeit it would be justified but saying he made better argument while there are no arguments at all then its shame.
Brother, let me break down your RFD
you guys giving tie for better source while his links did not work.
how biased. well i will see who will do this onward.
as i will never leave that chance for anyone to have.
his bait to invite atheist to vote bomb worked.
very nice, same vibe which i saw during DDO times.
and i got almost 60 votes. and all top voters voted me then. and all worst vote bombed against me and some vote bombed in my favor as well.
brother, you had to give a RFD for your vote, not debate with me. What you did in RDF is totally extensions and further more assumptions from the no arguments from con. i feel very bad about it.
you got to give points to what is already in debate not to add to make your RTF a debate itself.
i would consider it vote bomb. if you will not explain it to me here i would call jury about this.
vote based on forfeit should give conduct points. and did you not see swings by con. he himself was not satisfied with his Buddhism argument and wanted to change his strategy to tackle.
bro what are you doing. you took his bait. he did not give any reason why believing in deity and being atheist and not effected by external force is better.
i am sure you did not see the refutation about it. you probably left my part just like con did. i gave example that people do good because of fear of getting punished in any system.
like every country has police. and still there come troubles.
bro such a shame after seeing your vote. How biased and UN just that is.
How scared u r this time. Devil followers. Last time what u did is not going to happen this time. i will destroy you this time in sha Allah with the mercy of Allah.
Brother,
Your messages are becoming smaller. Improvement.
Would you become Muslim if I give good, convincing answers to your questions?
Otherwise, it would be wastage of time, Quran has forbid us to debate or argue with ignorant.
That is why I was not responding to you. But if there is hope for you, I can do efforts.
LOL, in feel sorry for you :D
Islam, the fastest growing religion of the world.
No problem brother, keep it up :)
Brother rayhan what are you doing brother. This is not mere debating, it's about Islam brother our religion. Do not be reckless. Do more efforts. On DDO there was a debate and there were 7 votes for a Muslim guy and vote from me and i gave all 7 points to the Muslim guy. And opposite debater was ex Muslim from Arab country, a good one. Among 43 lost only 1 debate.
because of copy and paste and laziness of Muslim brother he won but left a flaw which I picked. And voted against him because of that. But he called jury and there was big debate for my vote even with the debater. And he himself accepted my RDF and asked jury to be dismissed.
I can not do that ever again. That debate was about miracle of Quran. Here we go about contradictions. So easy to refute. But your laziness got you here. Why not go in deep and study real meaning about those verses? There is exegesis and detail commentary about them.
brother, try harder next time.I pray to Allah to help you next time, ameen.
Whatever you are asking, I have done debates about them and there are good answers for them too.
but the question is that, shall i answer you or not?
the asnwer is not.
i do not want to have debate with you because, i need a formal debate about these topics which you do not want to do.
if you really want to debate with me on those topics then you must instigate a debate or let me do it and you can accept my challange.
if you do not want that then keep your mouth shut. and do not waste your time for typing that much for vain. Because i swear to Allah i do not bother to read them.
i gave you chance, as slainte complaint about my behavior, and i looked back at myself and found i was at fault. even though in toxicity i can beat anyone as well.
but i choose being polite. as the mission is to show the true massage of islam and my personal attitude must not affect the message.
i apologize to anyone with whom i was harsh, i will correct myself in sha Allah.
thomas if you remain on the website and not get tired i will reply all those question with debate in near future, there is no rush at all. as i am busy person have work family and person life.
so i will do everything at my pace.
Open your eyes and see what i have did in comment section. in my society its even big deal. but as far as your society is concern, its just what even kids do in their formal conversations.
Why are you hyper about it?
i did not force you to debate with me.
i am being respectful with everyone who has been with me. in debate as well.
be careful next time do not debate with me.
tbh you are being child in debate. you do not know what you are talking and what you shall do for rebutting the arguments.
you are probably a child.
You are a troll, you are simply trolling in debate.
There i no argument from you at all. Simply wasting my time. Most of the debates you won were by forfeit.
what happens in the comment section is not part of the debate. And i have not done anything bad in comment section. i guess you guys call it freedom of speech. I am not here preaching right now but debating. I was very respectful and good, but you guys changed me. Have you seen the behavior of that mad dog Thomas?
You are teaching me how to debate? lol
as far as arguments are concern, you have put none. Just expressed your personal opinion about your stuff.
history has repeated, my first debate on DDO was like that, a trolled one and a vote bomb. But all remaining were good.
TBH everyone who debated me just run away after few arguments. Because i remove skin from hairs.
your behavior in debate is the same.
you just keep emotions away from debates. But you become emotional and your last argument is totally filled with emotions. and you kind of left the debate.
emotional statement are not getting you anywhere.
About forfeit its loose for me unless you agree. But u do not have spirit of debate to compete with arguments and logic but, you used forfeit to win the debate, such a shame. Instead of complaining me, you shall remove this stupid Thomas by reporting.
Admin do you have anything for toxic guys like thomas? They are running the vibe of debating website. A brain-dead person shall not have any place being here.
Can you reset this debate?