Maybe I can debate about this topic too. And will try to vote for this debate if voting period is long enough to let me read the whole debate. As I am busy most of time I cannot read everything in one go. Also I need a lot of time to weight and analyze the debate from both side to give just vote.
On the other hand your stance is to allow abortion altogether and you argued for partial allowance where it's dangerous for mother. If the resolution would be partial ban and partial allowance then you could win easily. On the other hand giving someone a win is very hard on this topic. But arguments from pro were very strong to sway me. First I decided to tie after reading first round but next 2 rounds let me decide what I have decided. Best arguemnt from your opponent was that people mourn when it's miscarriage and they think it's ok to abort when it's un wanted pregnancy. Also the fetus feels pain as well. Obviously procedure for abortion is to cut off the limbs of baby bit by but while he or she is alive and I have seen some animated videos of procedure it's very heart breaking. I am father too and my wife got 2 miscarriage too so I can understand what abortion means and your opponent has conveyed it perfectly. I hope you understand my situation.
What you think, my vote should have been? If you can specify me something which outweigh the arguments of your opponent, let me know I would consider it. I do not care last round arguement because of arguments are good then it must be considered.
Let's see, some people wanted to debate with me, I will ask them to debate me with close voting, just finish your 3 debates, so I can add you as voter as well for my debates, one would be best.korea and I would ask 2 voters from my opponent which he likes.
LOL= league of legends, though the character is but controversial as far as islam is concerned.. I have many other platform on which I present my arguments. Yet maybe I am continue debating here with close voting.
Thanks for reminder, I do rely on Allah, and pray he may give me patience and courage to be steadfast and serve the purpose for which he created me ameen.
Thanks
Sorry, sis vi probably a character from LOL, so I could not guess if a male is using the name or female. Vi being real name I am also not familiar. As English not my first language this mistake I do sometimes. Apologies for that.
How are you by the way. This platform was my best bet but unfair voting is reffrainnng me to participate more. I could not win unless my opponent forfeit otherwise it's so biased and unjust.
If we know x action has done by nature, but we do not know why?
And some x action science do not know at all and consider them supernatural which simply means science does not know about it.
Science do not know about many things how, when, why and where.
The biggest question science cannot answer is why.
Bro you are saying the other way around, large intestine is in herbivorous and small intestine is in carnivorous the longer one. Also omnivorous has both intestine but both are longer one.
Herbivorous has large intestine very long but small very short.
Carnivorous has small longer and large shorter.
Omnivorous has both longer.
We have both small, intestine and large intestine, our small intestine is longer then large intestine. So we need more carnivorous diet then herbivorous diet. But if we eat only meat the our large intestine bacteria will starve. which is our almost 70% immune system. Those bacteria are vital for our health. Being omnivorous it's inivetable for us to consume both and vital.
Yes last one has 325 comments, other 140 above, 1 from previous, it was same on DDO my first debate got 50+ only votes and comment were unlimited.
But you lost me.
Or I can go on advance mode where I do not left any chance for other to win and be concise. If I keep debating I would get to that level very quickly as I am rusty.
So let's see how vote bombs are gonna solved on this debate. And now I will try to destroy my opponent in first round instead last because no one read last.
I got 3 votes based on 1 round, how unfair it is.
Whiteflame cannot do anything against Barney.
I do not know who are owner of the site. Before airmax was manager. But now I do not know why and could complain against Barney he messaged my every debate.
In fact they could allow for people to make close group for messaging it was on DDO I have not tried here yet. Like making a thread in which close friends can chat.
I am preacher more then debator, kind of missionary, I ask on different platform to people come read my debates. If they are lost because of garbage votes, then my efforts are in vain and I could not use them to refer anyone.
Whole purpose of debate is lost for me.
You do not know how Allah guide me and how I talk with Allah, I get suggestion from him and feedback as well.
The Daniel dream just come Infront of my by chance on YouTube and I included it in debate.
In fact about these votes Allah told me that he will account people who reject him. On DDO it was same, I was at the level of Ishan then, y devil let me fall in the trap of a girl on DDO. A Muslim girl and long distance relation, I got brain tumor because of that.
And my conginition fall dramatically after that because of a lot of medicine I used and still using. It was prolactinoma, can be cured with medicine.. but mission is still on till my last breath. I could not forfeit Infront of devil. If not this place the mission will go on, on some other places. I debate just in time, I fact as you are my friend, and you are atheist, I could debate with you on mah topics and would not care about votes or could do the debate with close voting where sincere friends can vote on facts and figure and I could ignore random people. And I could do close debating among my friends and with friends voter. What you say about it? Mall want to do debate with me you want to do and one another guy want to do. We can even ask judges to leave votes if we do not want them somehow.
. In Round 3, the debate continues with both sides expanding on their earlier positions.
Are you serious?
It's better you read 2nd and 3rd round what you saying is false, I did not continue the arguement but I change my stance into scientific.
What about discord, but arguing there is so hard, because of no formal structure it's more like discussion, you can prove your side and non sense argument keep popping and every single time you have to prove you are smarter then them lol.
I like formal debates because your hard work is saved and if you want to argue with someone new you can present debate here and then can continue. Most of the time when ask people to come here they just run away. Formal debating is very hard for amature but they try to show off on other platform where there is no voting. I actually suggest the Dev from this site to allow vote less debates as well with same structure where people can give opinion as review not vote. Then there will be so many people here.
You can say there are forum for that but it's not one to one and also limited. So structure is needed just like debates here.
Then I want another feature which is also give option of group debate as well where one team can have 3 rounds and then other team can have 3 or one round from the member of one team then other and just like that next from one then other, turn based.
Then I think this website would be even more great.
About votes I think their should tiers for them too. And resting of voters as well, in which if a voter gives splendid RFD and there person also give positive reviews about the voter against whom he did vote.
Also if one person did vote bomb, then his credibility goes down and eventually banned from voting.
And also a feature in which even after voting end a person can review about the output of debate. One feature in DDO I loved wa that people can say they agree before or after with the debator.
Website made by wyited, she is Christian, it's more hard to deal with them on their platform. They mute or bad to people like us.
Tbh I have won all those debates becuse I remove skin from hair, but still I would say I am rusty.
Otherwise I was not letting atheist go till the last round, they were forfeiting way too early.
That is what I was suppose to do with them for next debate but biased vote flish obvious win. It is discouraging, you cannot tell someone why you lost at first look until they read the debate to know it's vote bomb.
How can you ask so much to BK to watch the video in 3rd round for his vote and you are not asking from Barney and lemming for my 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Why put 5 rounds limit just make only 1 round then..
Vote based on 1 round is not considered vote bomb?
While you were so much pushing BK for hot looking into video arguemnt.
It's double standard.
As con summarizes: "Pro's argument fails to show how the supposed gap between the psychological understanding of dreams and their potential spiritual significance is bridged."The problem here is that this
A minor disagreement I am left with for con is his re-review of the single dream in question, and statements that it wouldn’t count even if it did accurately and measurably predict the future. That would be the type of proof a scientist would look for to connect dreams to the super
Response:
Hahhahha single dream?
Here is RFD has finished and rest he talked about conduct and sources.
He did not touch 2nd and 3rd round from both side.
What is it whiteflame?
If no body counts 2nd and 3rd round it seems 4th and 5th would have been extra waste. People preasume they are true and keep pretending it.
Always last round is real deal, my strategy is always to summarize and present best arguemnt in last round. Most of time in instigate and there is chance for opponent to respond but this time I had to respond to opponent whatever he enquired. That is why I gave many examples in last round for dreams and many even in first round the dream of Yousef as and Ibrahim as mentioned my opponent could look into it. Because content are not relevant here becuse they are very famous one.
See RFD has ended here.
He only gave decision based on 1st round.
Same goes fro lemming, I will break down lemming as well.
Rebuttal 4 (the hypotheses are not mutually exclusive) was almost good; it just fell back on the appeal to false authority of holy books. In this note, the mud example was quite effective in affirming that said authority is false; and this was further bolstered with the sources for dreams predating Islam (as unsoun
Response:
That predated dream is mentioned in the Quran as well.
The debate was about dreams not the Quran, as far as logical that divine dreams exist then from where interpretation comes is not much relevant.
About mud example.
I neglected it becaus it's lack of my opponents knowledge, I wish this guy could debate with me on these topics and how ianm going to destroy him.
Well it's about abiogenesis.
Science and quran is on same term.
Clay and human have same elements.
Cannot go any further as was totally irrelevant otherwise could prove it. But space was short for that matter. I deleted a lot of material from each round because or space.
This is sometimes merited, but we really need a mechanism to differentiate man-made dreams from others if this is to hold water (and just that all true dreams will be remembered doesn't do this so long as others are remembered too).
Response:
That is my point, dream itself do not determine, but it's interpretation, that is why I said the very premise of this debate is subjective. We are discussing the interpretation of dream not only dream itself.
Who will do interpretation? Well my opponent did not ask it, I do not know why Barney is asking it. And I did not see my opponent making any solid counter to it. It's just obvious that not only you will see dream if Allah wanted to show you something but will guide you to it's interpretation as well. They story of Yousef (PBUH) which I mentioned in debate has answer about it and also mentioned who can do interpretation.
Pro gives a personal accounting... A dream featuring a horse cart, which prevented him from dying of a heart attack or something worse than dying of a heart attack... I am not believing that pro believes this.Con challenges that this interpretation is pure speculation.
Pro attempts to hand wave away pro's case, by reiterating parts of his own.
Response:
He is still in the first round and even not completed it. he is talking I have repeated it many times while in RFD he did two times about my personal example where he misspell anecdotal.
Fun part:
At this point con has hand waved barney's brain to say dreams are shit of mind and do not over focus it just enjoy manipulating it and live your wildest dream by dreaming and you can even have affair with hot aliens 😉
Pro says holy books say dreams are divine and/or spiritual.Con of course gives the obvious counter that other religions exist (it's strong, but not quite as strong as he would like it to be, since pro's writeup included more than one god).
Response:
Probably Barney drunk?
I have talked in great detail about existence of demon scientifically and even Allah.
Where?
2nd round but Barney just read few lines from 1st round let's see how far he can go.
So let's talk what I said. I said demons are created from fire which originates from matter and energy is released.
Demons are that energy.
(Probably infrared light
And snacks ultra violet )
Bracket are addition.
While Allah is sustainer of everything like a light and energy source for everything as demons are also from matter so they are different then human but their also originates from matter.
About Allah example was given which was metaphor otherwise it's impossible to comprehend infinite being.
But Barney is not only accusing me believing 2 gods which I never said in debate but it's lie.
Only Allah is god one and only.
He is sustainer of everything with his Noor which is his knowledge and ilm.
Thanks 👍
Here we go
Pro moves on to describe three separate types of dreams. One comes from a god, the other comes another god, and the third comes from man. This immediately begs the question of how to tell any of them apart (as con calls it, bridge the gap in that seeming contradiction); but I will treat either of the first two as spiritual if they can be proven.
Response:
He might be illuminati because he considers the devil as god.
But
I have stated in my debate that all of them are controlled by Allah one and only. As Allah has written the taqdeer or fate, I have discussed it as well in debate. Demons and humans are his creation and Allah allows them to do what they do and so everything is his will.
He saying how can distinguish between them?
Response:
Answer is go read the debate 😉 especially my dump
One says they're chemistry, the other says they're a gift or curse from the divine... As a voter, I'm going to treat this issue as on balance; or to say victory goes to the most and most likely.
Response:
One says they are chemistry other says it's divine.
Actually it should be,
One says it's chemistry but not divine,
You have not read what other says
Lol 😂😂
As a voter involved going to treat this issue in balance and and say victory goes to most or most likely to con, why would I read the debate what a heck is an moderator no one can revoke my vote and I do not need to read the debate at all
;)
Pro does an immediate gambit at the start with a word dump... I strongly advise separating paragraphs in future.
Response:
It's not my fault, I created draft in my mobile but when uploaded in website it just messed it.
This problem I have complaint a lot before thought it's not eating spaces between words but it did between paragraphs.
But I have given up on this long time ago. Which is real problem because it indeed affected my presentation and thus to even people reading it. They are forgetting my points when they end reading my debate but to me it's more likely they do not read more then 1 round.
Obviously you consider my words dump otherwise why would you vote con.
It's something preset
experience is not evidence" technically it's just very weak evidence, known as antidotal. Still, good point.
Arguemnt:
All evidence is weak or you can say until they are proven to be strong.
During the debate exchange of arguments can change the course of action.
My personal experience was one of the weak evidence among many other strong evidence. I never took my example as my core argument. Though that was to show my opponent that see I have even experience dream which had spiritual meaning.
By the way it's not antidotal it's anecdotal.
But not all dreams anecdotal experiences.
I have argued about it in great depth.
And you have acknowledged it was good point.
Any ways let's move on
Although dreams have fascinated us since the dawn of time, their rigorous, scientific study is a recent development[1–4] (Supplementary Fig. 1). In The interpretation of dreams [5] Freud predicted that “Deeper research will one day trace the path further and discover an organic basis for the mental event.” Recent work, which we review in this article, begins to fulfill Freud s prediction.
The study of dreams is a formidable task, because dream consciousness is only accessible via report rather than direct observation (Box 1) and because it is difficult to manipulate dream content experimentally, whether by exposure to stimuli before[6, 7] or during sleep[7, 8]. Therefore, it is difficult to predict the contents of specific dreams[9], and most modern dream research tries to relate neuronal activity retrospectively to dream form rather than dream content, i.e. to focus on properties of all dreams rather than to investigate the neural correlates of a particular dream. Yet, as we shall see, encouraging progress has been made in relating the phenomenology of dreams to underlying brain activity, and to studies of brain damage and development.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2814941/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#SD1
I am doing this for fun. No expectation from them.
Check:
RFD---con argues dreams are due to biology and stimuli, such as being able to be manipulated (presumably, without the researcher manipulating any god or gods).
Response:
There is difference between lucid dreams and regular dreams.
Conclusion:
We are discussing dreams not lucid dreams.
Even we discuss lucid dreams, we already know this category falls in dreams which are controlled by mind.
Extra:
I already acknowledged these types of dreams exist.
But
Can my opponent deny regular dreams?
Solution:
This problem I addressed perfectly by saying 3 types of dreams.
My opponent:
He acknowledged one type which is lucid dreams and he himself distinguished two types, one regular and one manipulative.
I can write 1000000 of words only about this while I deleted many times to make it concise.
But people do not accept detail then concise would be nothing for them.
Biology and stimuli:
Are you suggesting that God will come and say to a person I will come tonight in your dream and say something to you then it would be considered spiritual ?
Lol
God controll human brain and stimulate it to produce dreams if he wants to convey something.
He has made a mechanism, just like a person is free to do a lot of things but sometimes he ended up doing without knowing that he is doing that thing for Allah.
Same goes for dreams, Allah has made them for purpose, and when purpose is not being served it can act wildly.
Presumably not god?
Well even a person is manipulating a dreams still chances is that Allah wants it that way.
By Allah every single action happens when he allows.
I have discussed it in 2nd round in great detail.
Tbh I can talk about it for hours and hours on this point.
Hahahhah, man you votem bomb, I am done with this website. Not another debate. You really do not want me on this debate. The error to.be not a able to post argument on DDO let me leave the website. But this website I left because or barney's vote bomb. Clear vote bomb, my 2nd and 3rd arguemnt was completely neglected by Barney and lemming. So sad and disappointed by biased.
I object Barney' vote it's total garbage. Good bye debateart. I think I will try the website made by bestkorea and wyited. I think americandebater24 would be happy and last time this moderator helped his friend as well. If I am going to be proven false because of vote bomb what is purpose to come here and get insulted by dumb votes.
I am done here,
Extreme level of intellectual dishonesty.
Wow man
I am out of here this guy has gone mad, even before and now, why not message those comments in which you started insulting me so I become toxic as you called me toxic.
I am talking with whiteflame and other person I did not tag him . He was suppose to leave the site which he claimed. He is that much mad when it's tie he probably get heartache if he will loose.
Probably this is complete shit.
I am out of here, I can't handle it anymore
This debate from 2 vote within then 10 points against me, reached to 3 points against me. It shows I was loosing and I have researched 90000 words on this topic and count my opponent, in first round what is his input and effort. And then in 2nd round most part is my quotes.
And in 3rd part it's almost forfeit by giving just video.
You can see, if a person dedicate himself for some topic and yet I was complaining about lack of space and rounds, then I assume it's his right to become concerned. Right?
In fact I should be even more frustrated, because something happens with me all the time because I am Muslim. I am sure you did not forget the debate which I had with Lancelot. Those in just votes are still there. And in there debate I even had 5 rounds and more efforts.
If this mess is going to happens every single time I debate, should it not be frustrating ?
My opponent is playing emotional blackmailing card here. I would say he is the most frustrated here. When he was winning he was chill. When it becomes tie he become so Kuch disappointed that he is rage quitting. If I had won probably something worst on his part could happen with him.
I have that much of sense, to see am I winning or loosing. Tbh BK out it in great way and even I am astonished how she can interpret my argument and she is very much intelligent.
Thanks to Allah we have people like her active on this website. Shila is another example. So I did not loose complete hope. I hope new debates would not be much troubles. Probably I should debate with people I already know and know their personality, it's more appropriate.
This debate is tie for me so no gain for me at all.
In fact such a mess and drag should let me feel discouraged. But the people I mentioned let have some hope. And I also feel satisfied with moderation of whiteflame. He is not much active, obviously everybody has his or her personal life and getting busy in it is natural, no complain about it.
Maybe I can debate about this topic too. And will try to vote for this debate if voting period is long enough to let me read the whole debate. As I am busy most of time I cannot read everything in one go. Also I need a lot of time to weight and analyze the debate from both side to give just vote.
It has no violence at all.
You are debating 7 other debates. Why you choose when you cannot actively participate.
You broke the rule of the debate, read the description. Did I not mention that must discuss everything before accepting debate?
Plz do not break rule to take the debate before discussing about it in private message.
Thanks ,👍🙂
On the other hand your stance is to allow abortion altogether and you argued for partial allowance where it's dangerous for mother. If the resolution would be partial ban and partial allowance then you could win easily. On the other hand giving someone a win is very hard on this topic. But arguments from pro were very strong to sway me. First I decided to tie after reading first round but next 2 rounds let me decide what I have decided. Best arguemnt from your opponent was that people mourn when it's miscarriage and they think it's ok to abort when it's un wanted pregnancy. Also the fetus feels pain as well. Obviously procedure for abortion is to cut off the limbs of baby bit by but while he or she is alive and I have seen some animated videos of procedure it's very heart breaking. I am father too and my wife got 2 miscarriage too so I can understand what abortion means and your opponent has conveyed it perfectly. I hope you understand my situation.
What you think, my vote should have been? If you can specify me something which outweigh the arguments of your opponent, let me know I would consider it. I do not care last round arguement because of arguments are good then it must be considered.
Let's see, some people wanted to debate with me, I will ask them to debate me with close voting, just finish your 3 debates, so I can add you as voter as well for my debates, one would be best.korea and I would ask 2 voters from my opponent which he likes.
LOL= league of legends, though the character is but controversial as far as islam is concerned.. I have many other platform on which I present my arguments. Yet maybe I am continue debating here with close voting.
Thanks for reminder, I do rely on Allah, and pray he may give me patience and courage to be steadfast and serve the purpose for which he created me ameen.
Thanks
Sorry, sis vi probably a character from LOL, so I could not guess if a male is using the name or female. Vi being real name I am also not familiar. As English not my first language this mistake I do sometimes. Apologies for that.
How are you by the way. This platform was my best bet but unfair voting is reffrainnng me to participate more. I could not win unless my opponent forfeit otherwise it's so biased and unjust.
Thanks brother, I appreciate it.
I meant vi and sorry sis.
If we know x action has done by nature, but we do not know why?
And some x action science do not know at all and consider them supernatural which simply means science does not know about it.
Science do not know about many things how, when, why and where.
The biggest question science cannot answer is why.
Bro you are saying the other way around, large intestine is in herbivorous and small intestine is in carnivorous the longer one. Also omnivorous has both intestine but both are longer one.
Herbivorous has large intestine very long but small very short.
Carnivorous has small longer and large shorter.
Omnivorous has both longer.
We have both small, intestine and large intestine, our small intestine is longer then large intestine. So we need more carnivorous diet then herbivorous diet. But if we eat only meat the our large intestine bacteria will starve. which is our almost 70% immune system. Those bacteria are vital for our health. Being omnivorous it's inivetable for us to consume both and vital.
No benefit, voting system here is under the bus.
Yes last one has 325 comments, other 140 above, 1 from previous, it was same on DDO my first debate got 50+ only votes and comment were unlimited.
But you lost me.
Probably, among them might be my previous 2 as well right?
I could, but after watching voting system here, I will refrain arguments from 3rd round were excluded by you too right?
Or I can go on advance mode where I do not left any chance for other to win and be concise. If I keep debating I would get to that level very quickly as I am rusty.
So let's see how vote bombs are gonna solved on this debate. And now I will try to destroy my opponent in first round instead last because no one read last.
I got 3 votes based on 1 round, how unfair it is.
Whiteflame cannot do anything against Barney.
I do not know who are owner of the site. Before airmax was manager. But now I do not know why and could complain against Barney he messaged my every debate.
In fact they could allow for people to make close group for messaging it was on DDO I have not tried here yet. Like making a thread in which close friends can chat.
I am preacher more then debator, kind of missionary, I ask on different platform to people come read my debates. If they are lost because of garbage votes, then my efforts are in vain and I could not use them to refer anyone.
Whole purpose of debate is lost for me.
You do not know how Allah guide me and how I talk with Allah, I get suggestion from him and feedback as well.
The Daniel dream just come Infront of my by chance on YouTube and I included it in debate.
In fact about these votes Allah told me that he will account people who reject him. On DDO it was same, I was at the level of Ishan then, y devil let me fall in the trap of a girl on DDO. A Muslim girl and long distance relation, I got brain tumor because of that.
And my conginition fall dramatically after that because of a lot of medicine I used and still using. It was prolactinoma, can be cured with medicine.. but mission is still on till my last breath. I could not forfeit Infront of devil. If not this place the mission will go on, on some other places. I debate just in time, I fact as you are my friend, and you are atheist, I could debate with you on mah topics and would not care about votes or could do the debate with close voting where sincere friends can vote on facts and figure and I could ignore random people. And I could do close debating among my friends and with friends voter. What you say about it? Mall want to do debate with me you want to do and one another guy want to do. We can even ask judges to leave votes if we do not want them somehow.
Well ask whiteflame to modify they way you want.
Or I can do for you, you can find his comment on this debate DM him be will modify it
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. In Round 3, the debate continues with both sides expanding on their earlier positions.
Are you serious?
It's better you read 2nd and 3rd round what you saying is false, I did not continue the arguement but I change my stance into scientific.
Have your read 2nd and 3rd round?
What about discord, but arguing there is so hard, because of no formal structure it's more like discussion, you can prove your side and non sense argument keep popping and every single time you have to prove you are smarter then them lol.
I like formal debates because your hard work is saved and if you want to argue with someone new you can present debate here and then can continue. Most of the time when ask people to come here they just run away. Formal debating is very hard for amature but they try to show off on other platform where there is no voting. I actually suggest the Dev from this site to allow vote less debates as well with same structure where people can give opinion as review not vote. Then there will be so many people here.
You can say there are forum for that but it's not one to one and also limited. So structure is needed just like debates here.
Then I want another feature which is also give option of group debate as well where one team can have 3 rounds and then other team can have 3 or one round from the member of one team then other and just like that next from one then other, turn based.
Then I think this website would be even more great.
About votes I think their should tiers for them too. And resting of voters as well, in which if a voter gives splendid RFD and there person also give positive reviews about the voter against whom he did vote.
Also if one person did vote bomb, then his credibility goes down and eventually banned from voting.
And also a feature in which even after voting end a person can review about the output of debate. One feature in DDO I loved wa that people can say they agree before or after with the debator.
Website made by wyited, she is Christian, it's more hard to deal with them on their platform. They mute or bad to people like us.
Tbh I have won all those debates becuse I remove skin from hair, but still I would say I am rusty.
Otherwise I was not letting atheist go till the last round, they were forfeiting way too early.
That is what I was suppose to do with them for next debate but biased vote flish obvious win. It is discouraging, you cannot tell someone why you lost at first look until they read the debate to know it's vote bomb.
I even want vote removed from my previous debate where Bella and Barney vote bomb.
How can you ask so much to BK to watch the video in 3rd round for his vote and you are not asking from Barney and lemming for my 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Why put 5 rounds limit just make only 1 round then..
Vote based on 1 round is not considered vote bomb?
While you were so much pushing BK for hot looking into video arguemnt.
It's double standard.
As con summarizes: "Pro's argument fails to show how the supposed gap between the psychological understanding of dreams and their potential spiritual significance is bridged."The problem here is that this
A minor disagreement I am left with for con is his re-review of the single dream in question, and statements that it wouldn’t count even if it did accurately and measurably predict the future. That would be the type of proof a scientist would look for to connect dreams to the super
Response:
Hahhahha single dream?
Here is RFD has finished and rest he talked about conduct and sources.
He did not touch 2nd and 3rd round from both side.
What is it whiteflame?
If no body counts 2nd and 3rd round it seems 4th and 5th would have been extra waste. People preasume they are true and keep pretending it.
Always last round is real deal, my strategy is always to summarize and present best arguemnt in last round. Most of time in instigate and there is chance for opponent to respond but this time I had to respond to opponent whatever he enquired. That is why I gave many examples in last round for dreams and many even in first round the dream of Yousef as and Ibrahim as mentioned my opponent could look into it. Because content are not relevant here becuse they are very famous one.
See RFD has ended here.
He only gave decision based on 1st round.
Same goes fro lemming, I will break down lemming as well.
Rebuttal 4 (the hypotheses are not mutually exclusive) was almost good; it just fell back on the appeal to false authority of holy books. In this note, the mud example was quite effective in affirming that said authority is false; and this was further bolstered with the sources for dreams predating Islam (as unsoun
Response:
That predated dream is mentioned in the Quran as well.
The debate was about dreams not the Quran, as far as logical that divine dreams exist then from where interpretation comes is not much relevant.
About mud example.
I neglected it becaus it's lack of my opponents knowledge, I wish this guy could debate with me on these topics and how ianm going to destroy him.
Well it's about abiogenesis.
Science and quran is on same term.
Clay and human have same elements.
Cannot go any further as was totally irrelevant otherwise could prove it. But space was short for that matter. I deleted a lot of material from each round because or space.
This is sometimes merited, but we really need a mechanism to differentiate man-made dreams from others if this is to hold water (and just that all true dreams will be remembered doesn't do this so long as others are remembered too).
Response:
That is my point, dream itself do not determine, but it's interpretation, that is why I said the very premise of this debate is subjective. We are discussing the interpretation of dream not only dream itself.
Who will do interpretation? Well my opponent did not ask it, I do not know why Barney is asking it. And I did not see my opponent making any solid counter to it. It's just obvious that not only you will see dream if Allah wanted to show you something but will guide you to it's interpretation as well. They story of Yousef (PBUH) which I mentioned in debate has answer about it and also mentioned who can do interpretation.
Pro gives a personal accounting... A dream featuring a horse cart, which prevented him from dying of a heart attack or something worse than dying of a heart attack... I am not believing that pro believes this.Con challenges that this interpretation is pure speculation.
Pro attempts to hand wave away pro's case, by reiterating parts of his own.
Response:
He is still in the first round and even not completed it. he is talking I have repeated it many times while in RFD he did two times about my personal example where he misspell anecdotal.
Fun part:
At this point con has hand waved barney's brain to say dreams are shit of mind and do not over focus it just enjoy manipulating it and live your wildest dream by dreaming and you can even have affair with hot aliens 😉
Pro says holy books say dreams are divine and/or spiritual.Con of course gives the obvious counter that other religions exist (it's strong, but not quite as strong as he would like it to be, since pro's writeup included more than one god).
Response:
Probably Barney drunk?
I have talked in great detail about existence of demon scientifically and even Allah.
Where?
2nd round but Barney just read few lines from 1st round let's see how far he can go.
So let's talk what I said. I said demons are created from fire which originates from matter and energy is released.
Demons are that energy.
(Probably infrared light
And snacks ultra violet )
Bracket are addition.
While Allah is sustainer of everything like a light and energy source for everything as demons are also from matter so they are different then human but their also originates from matter.
About Allah example was given which was metaphor otherwise it's impossible to comprehend infinite being.
But Barney is not only accusing me believing 2 gods which I never said in debate but it's lie.
Only Allah is god one and only.
He is sustainer of everything with his Noor which is his knowledge and ilm.
Thanks 👍
Here we go
Pro moves on to describe three separate types of dreams. One comes from a god, the other comes another god, and the third comes from man. This immediately begs the question of how to tell any of them apart (as con calls it, bridge the gap in that seeming contradiction); but I will treat either of the first two as spiritual if they can be proven.
Response:
He might be illuminati because he considers the devil as god.
But
I have stated in my debate that all of them are controlled by Allah one and only. As Allah has written the taqdeer or fate, I have discussed it as well in debate. Demons and humans are his creation and Allah allows them to do what they do and so everything is his will.
He saying how can distinguish between them?
Response:
Answer is go read the debate 😉 especially my dump
He also states how can prove them?
Response:
Again go read the debate 😉
One says they're chemistry, the other says they're a gift or curse from the divine... As a voter, I'm going to treat this issue as on balance; or to say victory goes to the most and most likely.
Response:
One says they are chemistry other says it's divine.
Actually it should be,
One says it's chemistry but not divine,
You have not read what other says
Lol 😂😂
As a voter involved going to treat this issue in balance and and say victory goes to most or most likely to con, why would I read the debate what a heck is an moderator no one can revoke my vote and I do not need to read the debate at all
;)
Pro's states he will argue dreams "are not merely products of the brain but can be divine in nature, carrying spiritual meaning and purpose."
Response:
What is it? He will argue but did he not?
Whiteflame can I tag you in the breakdown of barneys' RFD?
Best.korea you too?
Pro does an immediate gambit at the start with a word dump... I strongly advise separating paragraphs in future.
Response:
It's not my fault, I created draft in my mobile but when uploaded in website it just messed it.
This problem I have complaint a lot before thought it's not eating spaces between words but it did between paragraphs.
But I have given up on this long time ago. Which is real problem because it indeed affected my presentation and thus to even people reading it. They are forgetting my points when they end reading my debate but to me it's more likely they do not read more then 1 round.
Obviously you consider my words dump otherwise why would you vote con.
It's something preset
experience is not evidence" technically it's just very weak evidence, known as antidotal. Still, good point.
Arguemnt:
All evidence is weak or you can say until they are proven to be strong.
During the debate exchange of arguments can change the course of action.
My personal experience was one of the weak evidence among many other strong evidence. I never took my example as my core argument. Though that was to show my opponent that see I have even experience dream which had spiritual meaning.
By the way it's not antidotal it's anecdotal.
But not all dreams anecdotal experiences.
I have argued about it in great depth.
And you have acknowledged it was good point.
Any ways let's move on
I have discussed below phenomenon in my debate.
Look at this, wow.
Although dreams have fascinated us since the dawn of time, their rigorous, scientific study is a recent development[1–4] (Supplementary Fig. 1). In The interpretation of dreams [5] Freud predicted that “Deeper research will one day trace the path further and discover an organic basis for the mental event.” Recent work, which we review in this article, begins to fulfill Freud s prediction.
The study of dreams is a formidable task, because dream consciousness is only accessible via report rather than direct observation (Box 1) and because it is difficult to manipulate dream content experimentally, whether by exposure to stimuli before[6, 7] or during sleep[7, 8]. Therefore, it is difficult to predict the contents of specific dreams[9], and most modern dream research tries to relate neuronal activity retrospectively to dream form rather than dream content, i.e. to focus on properties of all dreams rather than to investigate the neural correlates of a particular dream. Yet, as we shall see, encouraging progress has been made in relating the phenomenology of dreams to underlying brain activity, and to studies of brain damage and development.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2814941/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#SD1
I am doing this for fun. No expectation from them.
Check:
RFD---con argues dreams are due to biology and stimuli, such as being able to be manipulated (presumably, without the researcher manipulating any god or gods).
Response:
There is difference between lucid dreams and regular dreams.
Conclusion:
We are discussing dreams not lucid dreams.
Even we discuss lucid dreams, we already know this category falls in dreams which are controlled by mind.
Extra:
I already acknowledged these types of dreams exist.
But
Can my opponent deny regular dreams?
Solution:
This problem I addressed perfectly by saying 3 types of dreams.
My opponent:
He acknowledged one type which is lucid dreams and he himself distinguished two types, one regular and one manipulative.
I can write 1000000 of words only about this while I deleted many times to make it concise.
But people do not accept detail then concise would be nothing for them.
Biology and stimuli:
Are you suggesting that God will come and say to a person I will come tonight in your dream and say something to you then it would be considered spiritual ?
Lol
God controll human brain and stimulate it to produce dreams if he wants to convey something.
He has made a mechanism, just like a person is free to do a lot of things but sometimes he ended up doing without knowing that he is doing that thing for Allah.
Same goes for dreams, Allah has made them for purpose, and when purpose is not being served it can act wildly.
Presumably not god?
Well even a person is manipulating a dreams still chances is that Allah wants it that way.
By Allah every single action happens when he allows.
I have discussed it in 2nd round in great detail.
Tbh I can talk about it for hours and hours on this point.
Look at it lol, Barney doing this shit again.
Hahahhah, man you votem bomb, I am done with this website. Not another debate. You really do not want me on this debate. The error to.be not a able to post argument on DDO let me leave the website. But this website I left because or barney's vote bomb. Clear vote bomb, my 2nd and 3rd arguemnt was completely neglected by Barney and lemming. So sad and disappointed by biased.
I object Barney' vote it's total garbage. Good bye debateart. I think I will try the website made by bestkorea and wyited. I think americandebater24 would be happy and last time this moderator helped his friend as well. If I am going to be proven false because of vote bomb what is purpose to come here and get insulted by dumb votes.
I am done here,
Extreme level of intellectual dishonesty.
Wow man
I am out of here this guy has gone mad, even before and now, why not message those comments in which you started insulting me so I become toxic as you called me toxic.
I am talking with whiteflame and other person I did not tag him . He was suppose to leave the site which he claimed. He is that much mad when it's tie he probably get heartache if he will loose.
Probably this is complete shit.
I am out of here, I can't handle it anymore
I already apologised about it, then I refrain insulting anymore, but after that did I?
This debate from 2 vote within then 10 points against me, reached to 3 points against me. It shows I was loosing and I have researched 90000 words on this topic and count my opponent, in first round what is his input and effort. And then in 2nd round most part is my quotes.
And in 3rd part it's almost forfeit by giving just video.
You can see, if a person dedicate himself for some topic and yet I was complaining about lack of space and rounds, then I assume it's his right to become concerned. Right?
In fact I should be even more frustrated, because something happens with me all the time because I am Muslim. I am sure you did not forget the debate which I had with Lancelot. Those in just votes are still there. And in there debate I even had 5 rounds and more efforts.
If this mess is going to happens every single time I debate, should it not be frustrating ?
My opponent is playing emotional blackmailing card here. I would say he is the most frustrated here. When he was winning he was chill. When it becomes tie he become so Kuch disappointed that he is rage quitting. If I had won probably something worst on his part could happen with him.
I have that much of sense, to see am I winning or loosing. Tbh BK out it in great way and even I am astonished how she can interpret my argument and she is very much intelligent.
Thanks to Allah we have people like her active on this website. Shila is another example. So I did not loose complete hope. I hope new debates would not be much troubles. Probably I should debate with people I already know and know their personality, it's more appropriate.
This debate is tie for me so no gain for me at all.
In fact such a mess and drag should let me feel discouraged. But the people I mentioned let have some hope. And I also feel satisfied with moderation of whiteflame. He is not much active, obviously everybody has his or her personal life and getting busy in it is natural, no complain about it.