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every voter should mark approve or disapprove for every candidate on the ballot. the top two candidates should have a run off election to refine their arguments and the winner becomes president. the great thing about this approach is it gives the presidency to the person with the broadest base of support. it prevents elections like the last one, where we had two very unpopular candidates on the ticket.

i guess if you like having more extreme candidates having shots at president, then this method might not be for you. the thing is though, even if you get your extreme candidate from time to time, the other side will get theirs more often too. i would guess someone like john kasich would have done well in this sort of election. we shouldn't let a plurality that is less than a majority be able to foist their candidate on everyone else. 
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the problem with the federal government is that liberals and conservatives can only agree to borrow more money. they can't get enough consensus to get the deficit under control. a natural compromise would be to cut spending for conservatives while raising taxes for liberals. of course those conservatives who signed pledges never to raise taxes are hurting the country with their uncompromising ways. 

i would support that measure. who disagrees and why?
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i'm a liberal christian. the consensus is that jesus existed. i believe the bible says that jesus is God, even though most arguments in that regard are weak. i believe the bible is inspired, but not error free, but would like to believe it's error free on essential theology. the noah story is an example of a myth, because i believe in miracles that have evidence for them, but the noah story is contradicted by science. there are examples of bible contradiction that show the bible is not always consistent, at least with best judgment, but it's hard to find a smoking gun contradiction.i think miracles and near death experiences help prove god, and to a lesser extent christianity. i think faith makes more sense than faith and works in that debate. i think catholic eucharist and pope as leader makes most sense historically and would consider calling myself liberal catholic or orthodox, because i think the pope should lead the church but that he's not infallible. i think something causing the universe makes most sense per causation and God. 
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i have a liberal bias but am moderate more than anything. i support limiting abortion, a public option in healthcare, more aggressive gun control, reduced government spending with higher taxes on the rich, among other things. if i was a dictator i'd amend the constitution to suit me but then put it back to the people after i die to lead themselves because i trust no one but me with the power of dictatorship.
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the no fly lists prevents terrorists and other dangerous looking people from flying on a plane. if you are too dangerous to fly on a plane, you are too dangerous to have a gun. 


the reason they can have a gun, is because due to gun rights they need to be shown to have beyond a reasonable doubt already committed a crime. that's the wrong standard to use, though. it should be that if they are reasonably foreseeably going to commit a crime, they shouldn't be allowed a gun. of course, this could mean we'd have to amend the second amendment, but this would be worth it. 

well, it might be possible to use my standard even with the second amendment, but the courts just don't.
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i had assumed that trump was a big proponent of E verify. but then i realized, that if he was, it was undermine the reason why we need a wall and to deport illegals. so i googled it, and see that trump is hesitant to enforce e verifty, basically because it works too well! 


think about it. if e verifty stop illegals from stealing jobs, and illegals only commit as much crime as a native born american, why is the wall such a big deal? don't get me wrong, i would support a wall, but it's over blown and he's exploiting the issue without being effective or consistent on dealing with it. 

to be sure, trump is right that farmers would be hit too hard if e verifty was required. but we can make an exception for agriculture. but otherwise, we should strictly enforce e verify. we can dedicate a reasonable amount to deporting illegals, but we don't need to go crazy, cause unless they start committing crimes because they can't find jobs, it's not the end of the world to live around illegals. i would propose gradually phasing in strict e verify, to give immigrants a chance to leave voluntarily. 
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i don't believe this, but playing devil's advocate. but i am beginning to believe we should overthrow iran.  i do believe tthis argument is why john bolton should be on trump's military team.... just to have the someone willing to push this option so all options are on the table. 

i dont know what the odds are that iran would get a nuke and funnel it to terrorists and then not take responsibility. but it's possible if not likely.. it's a realistic situation given the way iran currently behaves. what are we suppose to do if they have nukes after theyve been arming terrorists? mutual assured destruction only works in theory, in practice it can prevent a bad actor like iran from being stopped in that sort of situation. this means we should use force if necessary, to prevent them from getting nukes. but how much force should we use? 

would bombing them if they dont let inspectors in or make too much fuel that isn't easy to monitor fix the situation? (if they won't let inspectors in or are making more fuel than they need, their intentions cannot be good) if we don't over throw them, it would probably just delay the inevitable if iran really wanted nukes. the reason it's inevitable, is because we will have weak presidents eventually, and iran will just take advantage of the situation. then we are at the point that they just funnel bombs to terrorists. as was argued for a reason to not bomb them, bombing them might just increase the odds of an attack from iran. so if that's a possibility, and if we might have weak presidents, that's all the more reason to overthrow them while we still can. 

here are some tactical considerations: our military is as big as the next ten countries combined, and we have thousands of nukes and iran has no nukes and is small in comparision. that's why no one wants to mess with us. their GDP is only half a trillion whereas ours is twenty five trillion. but, their GDP is rising exponentially, which would give them the means to fund terrorism. after all, iran was doing exactly that during the treaty that obama negotiated. they were also insisting on three or four weeks notice for inspections, which would mean they have bad intentions because there's no good reason to not allow inspectors. why would we do business with iran, at the same time we are fighting terrorists? the money they get is going directly to terrorism, so we are just shooting ourselves in the foot. better to just overthrow the current regime than to let that happen, if them getting nukes and being a bad actor is inevitable. 

as i said, i think iran might have decent intentions at the moment, so i don't believe the above argument is best. but if we think them getting nukes is inevitable, we should do something about it now, while we have the chance. i just dont know the odds they are going to try to get nukes so this question is my main sticking point. 
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i'm not saying that america should invade iran. just bomb them. if iran was stupid enough to wage a retaliatory war, they'd be blown away. after all, the usa's military is bigger than the next ten countries in the world combined, with iran puny in comparison, and the usa has thousands of nukes, which iran has none. it's clear iran is one of the largest sponsors of terrorism in the world, and given nukes, they would get worse and be able to hold the world hostage. we can't let that happen. 

iran said it's going to probably go past the limits of nuclear fuel that was set by the treaty they were in, so it's becoming clear punishment will probably be in order. 
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reconciliation means a budget bill can be passed with just a majority vote. the republicans had control of all three branches of government in trump's first two years. do you think it's more lip service that they are the party of fiscal restraint? in fact, if you look at the last forty or fifty years, the deficit went down more during democratic presidents than republican. probably because republicans can get democrats to agree on some restraint, but repubilcans don't want to be retaliated against for restraint when they are in charge. 

republicans don't have a lot going for em. if they dont have the fiscal restraint thing, it's a pretty bad situation. 
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what do you faith and works christians think? 

if you look at st paul in the bible he says abraham was justified by faith. st james says abraham was justified by faith and works, and added that we are not saved by faith alone. if you look at jesus, he sounds like a faith and works kinda guy. but if we are to reconcile all these tensions in the bible into a coherent whole, i think i would go with faith alone, properly understood. after all, as st paul later said, "it is by faith that we are saved, not of works, lest any man should boast". i take that, along with jesus' words that say to trust in him, and near death experiences which describe an unconditional love of God, and my own psychology that cannot see relying on myself to be saved even if its ultimately through grace and must rely completely on Jesus for salvation. 

after all, as martin luther said, we are saved by faith alone, but faith is never alone. there must be good works in a true chritian, but that doesn't mean they save you. we are rewarded by the good we do though. and even the catholic faith doesn't mandate a calculus for how much works one must have, as does not protestantism. 
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when i think of a reason to be a theist or christian i look at things that look supernatural. here is a link with more on that....

so we see lots of christian near death experiences, seeing a being of light as Jesus and such. where are all the examples of non christian NDEs? i saw one once where a guy thought some shadowly figures were hindu gods, but i don't know of many others like that. that could have been just an interpretation that is wrong of an experience. where are the other examples? i see lots of christian, but non christian is lacking. i know at nderf.org the founder of that research said he only has less than a hundred examples of non western NDEs, so it's not like there's a lot to go on. should we just take it on faith that there's a bunch of NDEs going on that are anotehr religion? id ask about atheist NDEs but i know they happen to them too, as most atheists come back believing in God. 
and of course even if there are examples, it's far fetched to think there's some hallucinatory story embedded in our brain that manifests itself when we're almost dead to the point of no return. 

also, i see lots of things that look like christian miracles. where are the other faith miracles? i see lots of examples that turn out to be scams, where are the authentic examples at? and why don't things that look supernatural like the things that happen to theists, happen to atheists? where's that evidence at? 
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who would send a mom and doctor to life in prison, or executed, or decade in prison, for aborting their one month baby? im looking to debate you. 

i'm for outlawing all abortion except for rape, incest and sever fetal abnormality.  but i wouldn't punish women in early pregnancy. i would at the very least define personhood at the stage of fetal pain, half way through the pregnancy. if you have to use pain killers on a baby to abort it, that should tell you how shady the humanity is of what you are doing. i may be up for legislating based on brain waves if they are developed enough, the idea being life ends with the heart and brain, so it could begin there too. i dont know a lot about brain wave science, though. 
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blacks are often discriminated against just because they are black. if you have black name on a resume you are less likely to be called. if you are black, you are more likely to be shot for the same crimes as white people. there are inherent set backs that exist if you live in the black ghetto. 

if you acknowledge that these things are true, which they are.... how can you deny white privilege exists?
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he has said that he has no need to ask God for forgiveness. he has also said his favorite bible verse is 'an eye for an eye'. jesus condemned both of those mindsets. this isn't even mentioning his policies. 

do these things disqualify trump as a christian? 
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mercury is a seriously lethal element and causes brain problems among other things. trump was pushing for letting businesses pollute more mercury into the environment, because he said the cost was too much to mitigate the effects. for example, they have scrubbers that limit the amount of pollution. 

so, how do all ya'll who support everything trump does, justify this? 
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During the 2016 election, Donald Trump famously proclaimed "I love the poorly educated!" Well, if "poorly educated" is a euphemism for "cognitively challenged," new research finds they loved him right back.
It reports Trump voters, on average, performed more poorly than Hillary Clintonsupporters on a standard test widely regarded as a good indicator of intellectual ability.
"Intellectual factors played an important role in the 2016 election," writes a research team led by Yoav Ganzach of Tel Aviv University. "These results suggest that the 2016 U.S. presidential election had less to do with party affiliation, income, or education, and more to do with basic cognitive ability."
In the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, Ganzach and his colleagues analyzed data from the American National Election Studies, which included 5,914 participants in 2012 and 4,271 in 2016.
Besides expressing their attitudes toward that year's presidential candidates, participants took a standard test of verbal ability. Specifically, they were presented with 10 sets of words, and asked "to identify the word or phrase in a set of five that was the closest to the target word."

While hardly comprehensive, the test "is considered a good indicator of general cognitive ability," the researchers note.
After taking into account participants' party affiliation, the researchers found intellectual ability was a strong predictor of attitudes toward the two major candidates in 2016. Specifically, they found "clear negative relationships of verbal ability and education with attitude toward Trump."
In contrast, they found "weak, nonsignificant relationships of verbal ability and education with attitude toward [Mitt] Romney" in his failed 2012 campaign. In both elections, higher levels of education and verbal ability were associated with support for the Democratic candidate [Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton].
"Support for Trump was better predicted by lower verbal ability than education or income," the researchers add. "Our analyses indicate that support for Trump was less about socioeconomic standing, and more about intellect."
Ganzach and his team note that Trump, on the campaign trail, expressed his opposition to both socially liberal beliefs (such as support for abortion rights and opposition to racism) and fiscally conservative beliefs (such as free trade). Both sets of beliefs have been linked in past research with higher cognitive ability, so it makes sense that their appeal would be largely limited to those who score lower on such measures.

This research adds to the rapidly growing list of findings attempting to explain why the American voters (although not a majority) supported a candidate widely viewed as lacking the qualifications or temperament to be president.
While economic anxiety has been largely ruled out as a likely explanation, studies have pointed to whites' fear of declining social status in a rapidly changing society, as well as racist and sexist beliefs, tribalism, possessing an authoritarian mindset, and even being prone to anxiety, and thus susceptible to Trump's fear-based appeals.
Ganzach's findings align with those of another recent study that found Democrats who crossed over to vote for him were the least likely demographic to engage in analytical thinking. This may be because, in many cases, they just aren't good at it.


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this is according to the 170 expert members of the American Political Science Association’s Presidents and Executive Politics section who filled out the survey

questions, comments, words of wisdom?
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I’ve always found it moronic—if not morosely comedic—that middle-aged women think the plastic proportions of Barbie dolls have a negative influence on the emotional well being of little girls.
Perhaps these “body positive” activists should try waltzing down the boys’ aisle some time. Row after row of miniature super-heroes and professional wrestlers, all sporting impossibly muscular physiques – surely, such perverse parodies of masculinity would have the same deleterious effects on boys’ developing body images, right?
Strangely, you don’t see 50-year-old men—with their sagging bellies and receding hairlines—raising a fuss about G.I. Joe’s “unrealistic” anatomy. Nor do you hear of any organizations attacking the NFL, NBA and bodybuilder magazines for giving boys unpleasant ideas about nigh-impossible-to-attain physiques.
Why? Because men do something that women simply don’t – when it comes to their own bodies, they take self-responsibility for the end-outcomes.
One look at the “fat activist” ranks demonstrates the “body acceptance” jihad is an almost entirely female phenomenon. Statistically, this makes sense, since the bulk—pun most definitely intended—of America’s obese populace is female. But therein lies a key difference between the sexes: while men wallow in obesity in relative silence, female fatasses are utterly obsessed with politicizing—and ultimately, weaponizing—their unhealthiness.

How a whale managed to get this far inland, I’ve no idea.
When irresponsibility becomes a “disease”
Obesity doesn’t just happen out of the blue. In fact, there’s an algorithmic process for how it happens – a person consumes far more calories than he or she expends on a day-to-day basis. One must marvel at the incredible gluttony that occurs for a 5’6 female to maintain a 300-pound-plus body weight. By one metric, to do so would require the person in question to gobble up at least 4,200 calories every 24 hours – more than double the recommended daily allowance established by the National Academies’ Institute of Medicine.
In that, being fat isn’t “a disease.” It’s the consequences of overconsumption and a sedentary lifestyle. But today’s third wave feminists can’t accept they and they alone are responsible for their miserable health conditions – and since it’s much easier to normalize their biologically suicidal lifestyles than hit the treadmill, naturally they try to make a virtue out of their biggest character defects.
Don’t you just love it when feminists use the phrase “unrealistic body image,” as if thin, beautiful women don’t exist anywhere in the world? As evident by the entire industry of modeling still existing, however, it quite obviously is possible to not be a lumbering, 300-pound wad of redundant adipose tissue. Of course, such requires moderation, dedication and vigilant repression of instant gratification wants – i.e., the kind of personal discipline and restraint fat women just can’t muster.

Care for a shag?
Why would anybody be proud of being unhealthy?
At least men are honest about this kind of thing. Average Joes like you and me admit we don’t have the kind of tenacity and willpower to have a physique like Brock Lesnar or JJ Watt. We don’t blame “genetics” and “societal norms,” we blame our damn selves for not having the proper impulse control and sticktoitiveness.


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the title of this thread is the title of the article.....


doesn't this prove that species can evolve from one species to another? why or why not? 

any other questions, comments, or words of wisdom? 
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Donald Trump Is Trying to Kill You


There’s a lot we don’t know about the legacy Donald Trump will leave behind. And it is, of course, hugely important what happens in the 2020 election. But one thing seems sure: Even if he’s a one-term president, Trump will have caused, directly or indirectly, the premature deaths of a large number of Americans.
Some of those deaths will come at the hands of right-wing, white nationalist extremists, who are a rapidly growing threat, partly because they feel empowered by a president who calls them “very fine people.”
Some will come from failures of governance, like the inadequate response to Hurricane Maria, which surely contributed to the high death toll in Puerto Rico. (Reminder: Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens.)
Some will come from the administration’s continuing efforts to sabotage Obamacare, which have failed to kill health reform but have stalled the decline in the number of uninsured, meaning that many people still aren’t getting the health care they need. Of course, if Trump gets his way and eliminates Obamacare altogether, things on this front will get much, much worse.

But the biggest death toll is likely to come from Trump’s agenda of deregulation — or maybe we should call it “deregulation,” because his administration is curiously selective about which industries it wants to leave alone.
Consider two recent events that help capture the deadly strangeness of what’s going on.
One is the administration’s plan for hog plants to take over much of the federal responsibility for food safety inspections. And why not? It’s not as if we’ve seen safety problems arise from self-regulation in, say, the aircraft industry, have we? Or as if we ever experience major outbreaks of food-borne illness? Or as if there was a reason the U.S. government stepped in to regulate meatpacking in the first place?
Now, you could see the Trump administration’s willingness to trust the meat industry to keep our meat safe as part of an overall attack on government regulation, a willingness to trust profit-making businesses to do the right thing and let the market rule. And there’s something to that, but it’s not the whole story, as illustrated by another event: Trump’s declaration the other day that wind turbines cause cancer.
Now, you could put this down to personal derangement: Trump has had an irrational hatred for wind power ever since he failed to prevent construction of a wind farm near his Scottish golf course. And Trump seems deranged and irrational on so many issues that one more bizarre claim hardly seems to matter.
But there’s more to this than just another Trumpism. After all, we normally think of Republicans in general, and Trump in particular, as people who minimize or deny the “negative externalities” imposed by some business activities — the uncompensated costs they impose on other people or businesses.

For example, the Trump administration wants to roll back rules that limit emissions of mercury from power plants. And in pursuit of that goal, it wants to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from taking account of many of the benefits from reduced mercury emissions, such as an associated reduction in nitrogen oxide.
But when it comes to renewable energy, Trump and company are suddenly very worried about supposed negative side effects, which generally exist only in their imagination. Last year the administration floated a proposal that would have forced the operators of electricity grids to subsidize coal and nuclear energy. The supposed rationale was that new sources were threatening to destabilize those grids — but the grid operators themselves denied that this was the case.
So it’s deregulation for some, but dire warnings about imaginary threats for others. What’s going on?
Part of the answer is, follow the money. Political contributions from the meat-processing industry overwhelmingly favor Republicans. Coal mining supports the G.O.P. almost exclusively. Alternative energy, on the other hand, generally favors Democrats.
There are probably other things, too. If you’re a party that wishes we could go back to the 1950s (but without the 91 percent top tax rate), you’re going to have a hard time accepting the reality that hippie-dippy, unmanly things like wind and solar power are becoming ever more cost-competitive.
Whatever the drivers of Trump policy, the fact, as I said, is that it will kill people. Wind turbines don’t cause cancer, but coal-burning power plants do — along with many other ailments. The Trump administration’s own estimates indicate that its relaxation of coal pollution rules will kill more than 1,000 Americans every year. If the administration gets to implement its full agenda — not just deregulation of many industries, but discrimination against industries it doesn’t like, such as renewable energy — the toll will be much higher.
So if you eat meat — or, for that matter, drink water or breathe air — there’s a real sense in which Donald Trump is trying to kill you. And even if he’s turned out of office next year, for many Americans it will be too late.



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You can tell this is a gun problem, not just a bad person problem as the gun lobby says, also by comparing non-gun homicides of similar countries as the USA, and then adding guns to the mix: non-gun homicides are slightly on the higher side but within normal range, while gun homicides go wildly higher. If this was a bad person problem at its core, there would be a wildly higher amount of non-gun homicides as well, but that's not the case. Included is an article describing this phenomenon and a link with a picture. 

i know thedred and grey have the typical non answers, so i'm curious if anyone else can defend the position that guns don't cause problems and that this is just a bad person problem. 

also here is an overview of some issues in gun control science and policy


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half our produce comes from mexico. i just read an article that said USA auto plants would shut down within a week. this is clearly something that would cause a recession or worse, at least be bad for the economy. it would inconvenience and upset a lot of people, so if he did do it, it'd be like the government shut down that he said would last for 'years'. 

so who supports him doing this and why? 

can all you trumpanzees at least admit in this case that trump is off his rocker?
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here is some information on how to provide affordable universal healthcare 

here is a quick and dirty overview of why universal care can be affordable

healthcare currently costs 3.5 trillion annually in the usa
the federal government spends 1.1 trillion on healthcare currently annually
state governments spend 600 billion annually
private sector insurance covers half the cost currently annually, 1.75 trillion

we currently have only ten percent of people uninsured. isn't it at worst case reasonable to assume that covering them would only cost ten percent more? that means worst case, maybe 350 billion. but if we do the cost savings in the link above, we should very well be able to cover everyone for the current cost. in fact, we should be able to drive costs down even less than we currently spend, while covering everybody. this is because every other developed country spends half of what we do per capita, yet they all cover everyone. you can also look at is from a bigger perspective, that they all spend around or less than ten percent of their GDP on healthcare. we spend 18 percent of GDP. the difference here is over a trillion dollars, or in other words it would be like cutting taxes more than half, given income taxes are less than two trillion in revenue to the federal government. 

what if we increased taxes ten percent? that means if you pay six grand a year in taxes, your tax bill would only go up ten percent, or six hundred dollars. this is probably an average tax payer here. 

so tell me again why universal healthcare is unaffordable? 


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let them use whatever they want. the only reason this is even a big issue is because of ratings and stirring the cultural pot. as long as transgenders have existed they have used their choice restroom, and only in recent years has it become a problem. just let things be. i'm actually conservative and view transgender as messed up, but i'm not going fake outrage like everyone else. besides, there's no good option here if you want to nit pick. would you want an original woman who looks like a man to use the same restroom as your daughter? 
if transgenders were molesting children, my stance would be different. but as it is, nothing bad has happened as far as i know. people are finding problems where there are none.

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i'm asking those who support trump declaring a national emergency with the border wall. if you don't want democratic presidents doing it, how are you at all being principled? you can't be if you only support things you personally believe in.

i personally believe in the wall, but that doesn't mean the president has the authority to declare an emergency to do it, espeically given both parties have rejected the idea in congress, even when it was a republican controlled congress and government. 
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