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Why does winner selection not work in rated debates? Winner selection is clearly superior -- but even if you don’t think it is, I might think it is, and I should have the ability to have a rated debate with the “choose winner” system.
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Nine years ago on this date, I joined Debate.org. I'm glad that in many ways, the community I found there is still alive on here. I hope everyone’s doing well! :)
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People’s views on politics and public policy evolve all the time. What are the biggest political issues you’ve changed your mind about in the past 3-4 years?
Some of mine:
- I used to think that for social sanctions (e.g., removing people from social spaces or “canceling them,” all the way up to more serious social consequences like official reprimands on the job), due process is not necessary for allegations of sexual misconduct, and that false allegations were unbelievably rare. I’ve changed my mind now, and think due process is necessary (although sexual harassment is common and efforts to reduce it are also very important).
- I had a brief period where I thought European countries, as well as many Asian countries, were sensible to ban hate speech. I now think the US system, with First Amendment-level protections, is ideal, and should be implemented across the rest of the world.
- I’ve become a decent bit more “tough-on-crime.” I always used to support efforts to hire police officers, but I now think there’s a reasonable case for higher sentences for violent crimes in countries with relatively low sentences (although with substantial investments aimed at making prison a less shitty place) and substantial investments in the police. That said, I still lean progressive on criminal justice issues (e.g., support significant police reform and banning police unions in most countries, support substantially shorter sentences or no sentences at all for nonviolent crimes).
- I used to think all drugs should be legalized. I now think drug use should be decriminalized, but the sale and production of hard drugs should be illegal.
- I used to be heavily non-interventionist with foreign policy, broadly being anti-war, and in particular, opposing many Western/NATO efforts to get involved in international armed conflicts (such as the War on Terror and the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan). More broadly, I used to think U.S. hegemony was unnecessary. I’m now pretty convinced that U.S. hegemony is good, that the U.S. should maintain current levels of military spending, a strong NATO alliance is good, aggressive counterterrorism operations like drone strikes are probably net beneficial, and while, in general, intervention aimed at regime change seems like a bad idea, it was justified in the 2001 case in Afghanistan (despite the Taliban taking back power in 2021).
- While I remain very wary about the geopolitical implications of the rise of China (and support efforts to contain its rise in the technology and defense-adjacent sectors specifically, such as semiconductor export controls), I’m happy the rise of China has led to increased foreign aid spending by both the West and China, as well as domestic economic growth that’s lifted millions out of poverty in China itself, and I think a lot of concerns like “debt trap diplomacy” are wrong/exaggerated (although I do think China’s spending abroad has often facilitated White Elephants, like the SGR in Kenya).
- I was pretty convinced that the Washington Consensus was good, and that neoliberalism, broadly construed, was the path for developing countries to go from poverty to prosperity. I’ve become much more well-versed in the literature now, and while I think the Washington Consensus was likely (with high uncertainty) preferable to the alternative of import substitution industrialization, pure free markets and trade don’t cut it -- some degree of industrial policy, specifically export promotion, is often necessary for developing countries to grow, especially through manufacturing.
- That said, in the past few months, I’ve become a bit more pessimistic about the prospects for growth driven by manufacturing exports and infrastructure in Sub-Saharan Africa. This piece by David Ndii offers a compelling argument that the export- and infrastructure-led approach has failed throughout the continent, and the focus should be boosting agricultural productivity. (However, here’s a counterargument by Noah Smith, if you’re interested.)
That should be a good start to get the discussion going!
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Hi everyone! I’m not sure if this is a thing anymore, but I thought I’d organize a tournament -- I think they’re really fun, competitive ways to grow as a debater! I know tournaments often tend to die out, but I’ll do my best to prevent that, I guess. Can’t do much else but try.
Topic restrictions
This will be an assigned topics tournament. In other words, you won’t choose the topics. Instead, I’ll provide three topics per round, and you and your opponent will have 24 hours after each topic release to pick one of the three, and your sides (please debate the exact wording that I provide!). If you don’t, I’ll assign you a topic and sides (Pro/Con) from the three topics I’ve provided. Either way, you’ll start the debate another 24 hours after you’ve decided on or I’ve assigned you your topic and sides. I’ll do my best to make the topics evenly-balanced, by using topics that have actually been used in debate tournaments in a range of formats (PF, LD, and Parli) around the world, and checking to see if they empirically have roughly equal win probability for Pro and Con.
Why this restriction? A good measure of debating ability is how you’re able to debate on a randomly chosen set of roughly-even topics on a wide range of fields. It does reduce the control you have over picking a topic, but in my view, it’s a better measure of your ability to debate as a whole. Besides, you’ve got lots of opportunities on this website to debate the topics you choose, so I reckon opting into this competition is a fun way of challenging yourself to debate a broader range of topics.
Debate rules
This competition has some rules about the structure of debates to save time:
- The maximum character limit is 10,000 characters. Feel free to set an even lower one if you prefer that and agree to it, but don’t set a higher one.
- Have a maximum of three rounds per debate (once more, to save time and allow the tournament to progress).
- Have a maximum of 72 hours per round.
- The voting period should be 1 week. In exchange, I’ll do my absolute best to vote on every debate in the competition, unless I have some emergency, and I’ll also actively solicit votes for you.
In total, each round is given ~25 days to complete before the next round begins. Hence, this tournament is meant to last a total of ~3 months.
Other than that, feel free to set your own rules, alongside your competitor.
Tournament structure
I intend for this to be a single-elimination tournament with space for eight people (the first eight people to sign up, on this thread).
I’ll create the tournament bracket.
The first round will be seeded by current Elo on DebateArt.com -- so the eight people will be ranked from #1 to #8 in descending order of Elo, and #1 will be paired against #8, #2 against #7, and so on.
The second round will have the winner of #1 vs. #8 face the winner of #4 vs. #5, and the winner of #2 vs. #7 face the winner of #3 vs. #6.
Naturally, the third round will be the final. The winner of the third round wins the competition. I’ll make adjustments to the structure in case anyone drops out, or doesn’t finish a debate in time -- it may require revamping the whole structure midway through the competition.
(In case any of the debate’s results is a tie, I’ll do my best to get a neutral observer to vote in 24 hours, either from within DART or an experienced IRL judge. If not, my vote will be the decisive one. But to be honest, I’m open to recommendations on this issue -- I haven’t thought it through, and I’ve assigned myself as the decider somewhat arbitrarily; I don’t mean to claim I’m a better judge than anyone else who votes.)
Sign-ups
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Like I just did in the Politics forum, here are some of my controversial philosophical views. Would love to chat about any of them! Also check out my AMA.
- Epistemic nihilism is false. I’m not sure its truth can actually be evaluated, but at minimum, it’s useless and unproductive.
- God almost certainly doesn’t exist.
- Highly uncertain about this, but free will probably exists.
- Moral realism is probably true, though highly uncertain.
- Common sense morality is, all things considered, a pretty good metric.
- The best approximation of a good moral theory that I can think of is preference utilitarianism, albeit somewhat skittish, accounting for moral uncertainty with either expected choice-worthiness or a parliamentary model, and incorporating some unusually strong common sense intuitions.
- Creating new happy lives is a good thing, though not as good as making existing people happy. Creating new bad lives is a bad thing (though not as bad, other things equal, as inflicting suffering on existing people).
- Countries don’t have very large special obligations to their own citizens. They should prioritize their citizens a bit more than non-citizens, for pragmatic reasons, but policy should, in general, focus a lot more on the rest of the world.
- Individuals have a moral obligation to assist those in need.
- We should care, morally, as much about future generations as the current one. Of course, for practical reasons, it often makes sense to prioritize the interests of people alive today, but the moral worth of someone 300 or 3000 years from now is no different than the moral worth of someone alive today.
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Thought I’d post some of my controversial political opinions here and generate some discussion! Also check out my hot philosophy takes on the Philosophy forum. My AMA is also up.
- Factory farming should be illegal. Animal suffering is the world’s most pressing immediate problem.
- It sounds weird, but there’s a legitimate risk that artificial general intelligence (AGI) could cause human extinction -- I’d say something like a 1 in 20 chance in the next 100 years. There’s also more plausible-sounding risks like a sharp rise in inequality from being able to automate most tasks in the future. We should regulate companies like DeepMind and OpenAI more carefully, and fund labs working on making AI go safer.
- Nuclear power is good, but overrated. The focus of climate policy should be solar, wind, and, more speculatively, geothermal.
- Fracking should be legal in the US. It creates jobs and generates economic efficiency. Banning it would make energy sources more unclean and empower Russia and Saudi Arabia.
- Gas tax holidays are bad. Gas taxes should be coupled with carbon taxes on corporations.
- In general, hiring more police officers is a good idea. Most countries have fewer police officers than optimal. This might require increasing law enforcement budgets. Police over prisons is a good approach to criminal justice reform.
- The current government in India has done more harm than good, both by mismanaging the economy and hurting India’s advancements on social justice. It’s quite plausible to me that even the Indian National Congress would have done a better job.
- On balance, India’s system of quotas for disadvantaged caste groups has done more good than harm.
- Feminism does more good than harm.
- Abortion should be safe, legal, and accessible, as should contraception.
- Biden is partly responsible for the ongoing inflation crisis in the US.
- Developed countries should admit a lot more immigrants, including low-skill immigrants.
- The War on Terror was, on balance, a success.
- The invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 was, on balance, a good idea, even with the benefit of hindsight. Biden pulled out of Afghanistan too early, and, by cutting aid flows to Afghanistan, has since been an absolute failure there.
- Biden’s response to Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine has been, on balance, pretty good. The same goes for Zelenskyy’s response.
- Rent control is a bad idea in most cases.
- Excessive zoning regulations, like the Floor Space Index in Indian cities, are very bad. Most coastal American cities are seriously hurt by it. Denser cities are both greener and more efficient.
- We should ban gain-of-function research and fund the Biological Weapons Convention a lot more. There’s a legitimate risk of major epidemics or even a pandemic that’s man-made.
- Developed countries are underpopulated. The US doubling its population would mostly have positive consequences. Population growth should be driven both by systems that make it easier for people to have kids (e.g., child allowances, efforts to lower the cost of living) and large increases in immigration.
- Biden has done a poor job on COVID vaccines. It’s time to invest in creating cross-variant vaccines, and speed up access to nasal and oral vaccines in developing countries.
- Conferences and events in US cities that continue to have mask mandates should abolish them. People can wear masks if they want to, but we’ve reached a point in the pandemic in the US where mask mandates are no longer required, and are frankly kind of silly.
- Free international trade is broadly a good thing.
- It is very hard for developing countries to grow through services. Export-oriented manufacturing is the best tried-and-tested model for developing countries to catch up.
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I’m defining a positive resolution as a topic that isn’t about whether something should be the case, but rather about what the state of the world. This could be a fact claim/attempting to resolve whether something is factual (e.g., “Global warming is primarily anthropogenic” or “God exists”) or a more normative one (e.g., “Affirmative action benefits minorities”).
I believe that Pro should win such a resolution if they prove that it is probably true. In other words, if the resolution is “God exists,” Con can’t negate by saying “we can’t be certain God exists, and the sentence ‘God exists’ implies a level of certainty.” Pro wins that debate if they show that God probably exists. In other words, the resolution “God exists” is identical to the resolution “God probably exists.”
My reasoning is that almost nothing can be proven to a 100% certainty. Therefore, I think it’s reasonable to assume that if someone makes a positive claim without attaching a probability to it, their claim is just that it is more likely true than not.
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The Fed not getting inflation back to its 2% target is heavily unideal (especially given that the Fed’s actual target -- based on flexible average inflation targeting -- is below 2%).
- The Fed’s credibility is really important for long-term economic stability. To prevent a future inflation from spiraling out of control as people and firms make early purchases to avoid the risk of future inflation, you need to believe the Fed will act.
- The function of a flexible average inflation target is that, in times of low inflation, you know there’ll be high inflation in the future and hence make a bunch of purchases now. In times of high inflation, you know inflation will go below 2% in the future, so postponing some purchases might make sense if the nominal interest rate exceeds expected future inflation, even if it’s below current inflation.
Unfortunately, it appears that getting to 2% is going to be really difficult. Jason Furman, former chief economist under the Obama Administration, summarizes empirical research by Larry Ball, Daniel Leigh, and Prachi Mishra, and says:
I assumed that the labor market will cool on its own as job openings fall two-thirds of the way back to what they were before Covid. I also assumed that inflation expectations will fall back toward where they were before Covid and that the recent good news on gasoline and other volatile prices will keep coming for the rest of 2022. Under these assumptions, which are more optimistic than the authors’ midpoint scenario, if the unemployment rate follows the Federal Open Market Committee’s median economic projection from June that the unemployment will rise to only 4.1%, then the inflation rate will still be about 4% at the end of 2025. To get the inflation rate to the Fed’s target of 2% by then would require an average unemployment rate of about 6.5% in 2023 and 2024.
Larry Summers, former Secretary of the Treasury and NEC Director, agrees. Summers, Olivier Blanchard (former IMF chief economist), and Alex Domash estimate that 5% unemployment is likely necessary to “get the labor market back into balance.”
Here’s the problem: according to the Sahm Rule, “the three-month moving average of the national unemployment rate (U3) rises by 0.50 percentage points or more relative to its low during the previous 12 months” only at the beginning of a recession. The current unemployment rate is 3.6 percent. That means a monetary policy tight enough to induce that much unemployment -- in itself incredibly, incredibly costly -- would likely induce a recession.
Paul Krugman is more skeptical, but his transitory inflation stories so far haven’t been great at prediction at all. Summers and Furman’s predictions have been more consistently right.
That puts the U.S. in an incredibly tough place. It has to choose between meeting the inflation target or avoiding unemployment much higher than it currently is, which would be devastating for the working class. In general, I think unemployment is more harmful than inflation -- but I suspect unemployment is still too low for inflation to be in control. Therefore, I agree with Furman’s conclusion: perhaps, for now, the Fed should aim for around 3 percent inflation. That’s a more realistic target, that maintains the Fed’s credibility somewhat, but also doesn’t induce staggering costs on poor workers.
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Hi! I’m Tejretics. I joined DDO in 2015, and DART in 2018. I was this site’s first Voting Moderator, and was on the DDO Hall of Fame. I’m currently a college student in the United States studying math and economics, and am from India. I’ve got a fair bit of experience doing formal parliamentary debate, and care a lot about effective animal advocacy and international development. Ask me anything!
Some things I can talk about:
- My thoughts on trends in modern competitive debate
- Any of my political views
- Anything about India
- My honest opinion of you, if I have one
That’s a non-exhaustive list!
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I’m socially progressive, and lean center-left on economic policy. In fact, I’m with Biden on most U.S. policy issues (despite what I view to be the massive failure in Afghanistan).
I supported the American Rescue Plan, despite warnings from folks like Larry Summers, Olivier Blanchard, and Jason Furman that it might be inflationary:
- I thought the plan was mostly relief—rather than leading to an unprecedented spike in nominal spending, it would probably just be used to pay off debt and supplement savings.
- I thought it was pretty plausible the output gap (the gap between how much the economy could produce and how much it was actually producing -- if the gap is big, closing the gap wouldn’t cause inflation to increase) was being underestimated. After all, high inflation was pretty much unprecedented post-2008; it seemed like some combination of a global savings glut and a productivity slowdown meant consumers weren’t spending as much, while economists consistently underestimated how much more employment the economy could take without causing much inflation. I didn’t trust traditional economic models as much.
- Even if it was stimulus, I suspected that monetary policy would successfully partially offset its effect on an output gap, without too much hassle or major rate hikes.
- I thought some of Blanchard’s predictions, like <2% unemployment to accompany the high inflation, just seemed pretty intuitively implausible. This turns out to be a problem with traditional models in general: the U.S. has >3% unemployment, but still has pretty high core inflation.
In three of these four areas (#1, #2, and #3), I was dead wrong. So were many other liberals and progressives -- we vastly overestimated the economy’s ability to take money, as well as how expansionary the Fed was gonna continue being. It was a tough psychological shift for me. I was pretty frustrated in ~2017-18 with the apparent unwillingness of U.S. policymakers to push really hard for full employment; I attributed some of Trump’s victory, and the frustration of blue-collar workers, to insufficient willingness to spend in the economy (rather than more structural issues, like trade policy) -- and I continue to believe this. I thought, and continue to think, that the Fed being expansionary in 2019 averted a small recession, and the Fed’s response to COVID in 2020 was fantastic (as was the first relief bill, which caused poverty to decline in 2020). So now, on seeing high inflation -- which, more and more, wasn’t seeming like a transitory thing, nor a response to merely supply chain issues or gas prices -- I had to reckon with the downsides of deficit spending.
This is a real potential cost of the Democrats moving further left. Even though, on some margins, I welcome it (e.g., taking clean energy investments and R&D seriously, wanting more immigration, pushing for anti-poverty measures, and, relative to -- say -- 2015-16, a more pro-worker monetary policy), it’s undeniable that it’s time for the Fed to tighten (and the warnings of progressives like Elizabeth Warren against this terrify me) and for the U.S. deficit to reduce (as someone who hasn’t been particularly worried about deficits before). Moderate Democrats, by reigning in inflation, could be electorally stronger in an entirely different way now.
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Exactly seven years ago, on January 25, 2015, I joined DDO as a thirteen-year-old.
My life would be so radically different if I hadn’t. I would probably be in a different college, in a different country, and not know any of my closest friends (friends I made through competitive debate IRL, which I wouldn’t have gone into if not for DDO). It’s wild for a website to influence a person’s life trajectory that much, but I know there’s people who married someone they met on DDO, so maybe mine isn’t even the biggest case.
I came there pretty uneducated and stupid. I like to think I gained maturity and grew both intellectually and emotionally on DDO. Some of it was from straight up copying people. I’m sure Spacetime has enough examples off the top of his head of me writing debate arguments that were pretty much rewritten photocopies of, among others, 16K, FourTrouble, and Bsh1. Honestly, though, that made me smarter too – I started reading the sources they cited, coming up with ones of my own, and started producing original arguments (first through the ~45 or so “God exists” debates I did, and then further in debates about torture and capital punishment).
I was also quite a bad person, at many points, when I was active on DDO. I did one or two live debates and was... uh... pretty d*ckish, I ain’t gonna lie. I try to be kind to people now, and I don’t think this personal growth would have been possible without the community.
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I’m looking to get back into online debate. Debate me!
The format I prefer:
- Three rounds
- 8,000–10,000 character limit
- ≥ 72 hours per speech
- No pre-fiat kritiks
Here’s the topics I want to debate. To copy and paste that list here:
- Artificial intelligence poses a higher risk of causing human extinction than climate change. (Pro)
- Central banks should replace inflation targeting with nominal GDP level targeting. (Pro)
- Countries should adopt taxes on carbon emissions. (Pro)
- Developing countries should engage in the large-scale redistribution of agricultural land. (Pro)
- Factory farming should be illegal. (Pro)
- Gentrification does more harm than good. (Con)
- Governments should ban the production and sale of fur-based clothing. (Pro)
- Governments should subsidize non-meat protein alternatives (e.g., plant-based meat). (Pro)
- In times of widespread epidemics, governments should allow the use of “human challenge trials” to test the effectiveness of vaccines and/or treatments. (Pro)
- Inclusionary zoning requirements should be abolished. (Pro)
- India should pursue export-oriented development rather than Atmanirbhar Bharat (a set of policies, such as tariff increases, aimed at making the Indian economy self-reliant and using domestic demand to grow rather than exports). (Pro)
- India should implement its proposed ban on crypto. (Con)
- It would be preferable to the status quo if the sale of human organs was legal. (Pro)
- Large coastal cities in the U.S. should substantially decrease regulations that curtail the development of market-rate housing. (Pro)
- The U.S. should ban fracking. (Con)
- The U.S. should substantially reduce restrictions on legal immigration to the United States. (Pro)
- The benefits of urbanization in India outweigh the harms. (Pro)
- Widespread price controls should be adopted as a response to high inflation. (Con)
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Hi! I’m Tejretics. I was this site’s Voting Moderator back in 2018, and have voted on a bunch of debates both here and on DDO. I’m a college student studying math and economics.
I’m hoping to vote on a few (4-5) high quality (no forfeits) debates on here in the next two weeks. DM me or reply to this forum post if you’d like a vote on a debate! In case you’d like to get a feel for me as a judge, check out my RFDs on these debates:
https://www.debateart.com/debates/2736-it-is-in-the-best-interest-of-humanity-that-we-attempt-to-transition-toward-veganism (RFD)
I’ve got a fair bit of experience judging formal/competitive debate, primarily in parli formats. Some notes on me as a judge:
- I tend to be quicker to discount bare assertions than many other judges on here. Some people think that’s a good application of tabula rasa judging. Others don’t.
- I don’t default to utilitarianism when weighing arguments. I’m personally pretty consequentialist, but what ethical framework to use is up for debate, and I won’t insert my ethics into it.
- I think good debating involves having clear, logical warrants for arguments and having empirical evidence. The two aren’t substitutes for each other: they’re complements. Lots of judges will vote on a statistic. I might vote on a well-defended study, but I’m unlikely to vote on a single statistic.
- I will read your sources. If you cite a source and claim it says something it doesn’t, I’ll treat it as a bare assertion. However, I won’t credit you for anything you don’t say in the debate (e.g. if your source makes a different argument, or if your study has something in-built which preempts your opponent’s challenge to the study, I won’t credit it unless you bring that up to defend the source).
- I’m less likely than the median judge to vote on a pre-fiat argument, such as a K. I’m willing to do it, but you probably have to meet a higher bar with me (at least unconsciously) than most other judges. If you’d like to win me over as a judge on a balanced topic, the best way to do so is to make clearly topical arguments.
- In normative resolutions, I’ll default to assuming the BOP is shared unless stated otherwise in the rules or discussed in the debate. In fact-based resolutions, I’ll assume the BOP is on the side making the fact claim unless stated otherwise in the rules or discussed in the debate. However, I treat the burden of proof as up for debate: if you convince me the BOP is on one side, I’ll vote that way. I’ll note that debaters on DDO/DART tend to overrate the importance of who has the BOP – the BOP will only ever decide a debate if it’s basically a draw. In general, it’s a good idea to have offense regardless of who the BOP is on – because if you have no offense whatsoever, any standing piece of offense from the other side is enough for you to lose even if they have the burden of proof.
- I will flow the debate, and read the entire thing (not just skim).
- I will not assume a debate takes place in the U.S. unless it’s in the resolution, the rules, or (implicitly or explicitly) agreed upon by the debaters.
If you’re fine with this, hit me up with a request to vote on something!
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In the spirit of it having been ~seven years since I joined DDO, I’ve started a new debate! I haven’t done an online debate (in-text) in nearly four years.
You can find it here. The resolution is: “Central banks should adopt nominal GDP level targeting rather than target inflation.”
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Most members here seem to be from the US (it certainly seems like the most-discussed country). It's also unusually important in the world. So what would you say the ten most important domestic policy priorities in the US are, assuming they can feasibly pass?
Here’s my rough list:
- Stricter animal welfare regulations, including a ban on CAFOs, battery cages, fast-growing broiler varieties, and factory farming more generally, as well as government subsidies for plant-based meat and other alternative proteins.
- Reform the US political system, by abolishing the filibuster, making DC and Puerto Rico states, creating independent redistricting commissions, abolishing the Electoral College, and adopting ranked choice voting for most elections.
- Substantial efforts to reduce global catastrophic risk from emerging technologies (e.g. invest in AI safety research, increase BSL-4 security standards, invest in gene sequencing and vaccine capacity for future pandemic prevention, regulate antibiotic overprescription), but also from weapons of mass destruction (primarily a foreign policy problem, so I won’t talk about that in too much detail).
- Substantially (in the range of 2x–3x) increase legal immigration into the US (of both low-skilled and high-skilled workers), and give amnesty to and create a path to citizenship for all undocumented immigrants currently in the US. Also significantly lower restrictions on goods and capital mobility, though these are less important than labor mobility.
- Efforts to reduce global and American environmental pollution (and mitigating their effects), including substantially scaling down the use of coal power, significant clean energy subsidies to reduce solar and wind prices in international markets (as well as subsidies for advanced geothermal energy, which is especially promising), clean energy R&D investments, carbon pricing (and raising the gas tax), expanding the use of other alternative energy sources (e.g. nuclear power, more fracking), and a nationwide lead cleanup.
- Adopt a better macroeconomic stabilization policy, with automatic stabilizers, the Fed adopting an NGDP level target with a “whatever it takes” approach to get there, and staffing the Fed with economists committed to full employment, while preserving Fed independence. Some bureaucratic reform is probably also good (e.g. separating out the financial regulation and monetary policy functions of the Fed).
- Criminal justice reform, including abolishing for-profit prisons, lowering prison sentences across-the-board and abolish mandatory minimums (especially with nonviolent crimes), reforming the bail system, investing to make prisons much more humane and rehabilitation-focused, and the decriminalization of many nonviolent activities that contribute to widespread incarceration (e.g., decriminalize sex work, end the War on Drugs). Also hire more police officers – deter crime through police rather than prisons (while engaging in police reform, such as more representation on police forces and banning police unions).
- Increase investment in antipoverty programs, including significant EITC expansion (possibly restructure it to function more directly like a negative income tax), a universal child allowance, Medicaid expansion, and making section 8 housing vouchers an entitlement for the poor. Also protect poor workers by abolishing occupational licensing, raising the federal minimum wage (and perhaps tie it to local housing costs), and making unemployment insurance more generous.
- Significantly relax land use regulation, including federal transportation funding to incentivize cities to abolish zoning ordinances and increase housing density, banning rent control, and reducing the reliance on public housing to house low-income families. More housing density should be accompanied by better transport infrastructure and street lighting.
- A health policy focused on the supply side – invest in health R&D and innovation (including anti-aging research). This is a good set of health policy recommendations. On the demand side, reduce the reliance on employer-provided health insurance, either through something like allowing people to buy into Medicaid, “universal catastrophic coverage,” healthcare vouchers, or substantial HSAs. My guess is that US healthcare prices are unusually high because of high demand for healthcare (driven by America’s high GDP), rather than traditional explanations from progressives (e.g., high market power on part of the pharmaceutical and insurance industries).
I’d describe this list as “generally liberal, but acknowledging that free markets can do lots of good.” What’s your list?
I’m also (especially) happy to talk about my recommendations for India, though I imagine people here are less interested in that.
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Here’s my frame to think about whether price controls are better or worse than subsidies when you want to improve the accessibility of a good.
You should prefer subsidies funded by taxation over price controls either when the supply of what is being taxed is less important to society than the supply of the good that is being provided, or if the supply of what is being taxed is significantly less elastic than the supply of the good being provided.
An example of this in action: I prefer housing vouchers funded by progressive taxes (on wage income, capital gains, etc.) to rent control. My reasoning is that labor supply and financial investments that produce capital income are both less important than housing supply, which allows for better allocation of labor (by reducing barriers to migration), the capacity to deal with population growth, and is generally more important to people. And even though the supply of housing is less elastic in the short run, over the long run, it is not significantly less elastic.
I do think the problems with housing costs and access in large metropolitan areas tends to be more of a supply-side problem than a demand-side one, often caused by bad land-use regulation. But to the extent that we try to improve accessibility by making it easier to afford homes from the demand side, housing vouchers are the solution I prefer.
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Currently, DART has two sets of criteria Instigators can choose among to have their debate judged by. One is the “choose winner” option, in which judges vote primarily based on which side had the more convincing arguments. The other is the “four-point system,” where judges weight arguments, sources, conduct, and grammar/spelling equally. Right now, the default option in debates is the four-point system, and an Instigator can change to the “choose winner” system if they want. My proposal is to make “choose winner” the default option and allow Instigators to change the criteria to the four-point system if they want.
My reasoning: New debaters on DART often don’t have information about what the competing systems are and are unaware of site norms. The “choose winner” option is fairer, other things equal, than the “four-point system.” Thett3 outlines the reasoning in his case here quite well (https://www.debate.org/debates/DDO-should-keep-a-voting-system-with-multiple-categories/1/), and Bluesteel does so here (https://www.debate.org/debates/DDO-should-only-have-a-more-convincing-arguments-point/1/). Hence, when a debater doesn’t have information, we should presume the fairer system, and allow them to change it if they want to.
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Five years ago, I joined Debate.org for the first time.
It changed my life completely and I’m thankful to both Debate.org and DebateArt, and the communities behind them.
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Staying out of the Religion forum.
On this site’s “precursor” of sorts, Debate.org, I’ve debated God’s existence a ridiculous number of times, from both sides. Eventually, the topic became relatively uninteresting and I stopped.
I’m an atheist, but I think New Atheism is mostly dumb, there’s a good chance religion is a net positive for society, quasi-religions are inevitable anyway, and most common arguments against God’s existence (e.g., the omnipotence paradox, the problem of evil, the second order problem of evil, the contradiction between omniscience and free will, some of the more apparently sophisticated arguments of people like the late Michael Martin and the late Victor Stenger) fail (though the same is true of most common arguments for God’s existence, e.g., the kalam cosmological argument, the various versions of “ontological arguments,” the teleological argument and its variants, the Leibnizian cosmological argument, the argument from religious experience, and so on).
I’ve come to think, however, that possibly the strongest argument against God’s existence—of course, it is very much rebut-able, and it is fairly straightforward to have a long debate about it—is prima facie unlikelihood. This isn’t quite the same as Occam’s razor or Russell’s teapot or whatever—it’s not about burdens of proof per se. It’s just that, other things equal, it seems bizarre that the universe is created and/or ruled by an interventionist humanlike giant. And we should have a strong prior against that. So if we’re considering God’s existence from a Bayesian perspective, where H is the hypothesis that God exists and e is any evidence in favor of God, P(H) is low, so P(e | H) would have to be pretty high and P(e | ~H) would have to be pretty low for an argument in favor of God’s existence to not work.
(I am aware of other relatively strong arguments against God’s existence – for example, that God’s existence is possibly incompatible with B theories of time, which special relatively points in the direction of; that minds are processes that could require time as a prerequisite; that God is an efficient cause and not a simultaneous one, and that time is a prerequisite for that, so efficient causation of the universe of any kind is incoherent; various versions “reverse modal ontological arguments,” e.g., God being necessarily existent entails that the universe exists necessarily, which either it doesn’t or it does while contradicting God’s existence; some of the more abstract work in the philosophical literature about God’s spatial location. I nonetheless think the basic Bayesian argument might be stronger.)
I probably won’t respond to anything on this thread, but in case you’re interested in discussing with others. This also isn’t a strong opinion or one I’ve thought about too deeply.
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What are your favorite debate resolutions and what’s your preferred side on them?
What are the best resolutions you’ve debated, in your opinion?
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I’m interested in either having a live or text debate on one of these topics. For live debate, I can either do evidence-based (e.g., the LD or Policy formats, though without spreading/pre-fiat kritiks) or non-evidence-based limited prep formats (e.g., “APDA motions,” Australs, NPDA, World Schools, maybe even British Parliamentary), though I prefer the latter. For text debates, I prefer either three speeches per debater (10,000 characters per speech) or four speeches per debater but with the fourth speeches being character-limited to 5,000 characters. Preferred position is in parentheses (note: my preferred positions do not necessarily reflect my real life beliefs—I am undecided on most of these issues). I don’t guarantee that I will accept any offers; just looking out for interest.
All Formats
On balance, economic globalization benefits worldwide poverty reduction (Pro)
Capitalism is preferable to socialism (Pro)
Rent control does more harm than good (Pro)
Gentrification does more harm than good (Con)
The US should implement Elizabeth Warren’s plan to break up large technology companies (Con)
Developed countries should impose a tax on automation (Con)
Assuming the 2016 Brexit referendum did not happen, the UK should leave the European Union (Con) *
Western developed countries should require that pharmaceutical companies dedicate a portion of their budget to research on tropical diseases (Pro)
It would be preferable to the status quo if the US legalized the sale of human organs (Pro) **
Western countries should end their arms sales to Saudi Arabia unless it scales down its military operations in Yemen (Pro)
The dominant narrative in children’s entertainment that good always triumphs over evil is regrettable (Pro)
Developed countries have a moral obligation to mitigate the effects of climate change (Pro)
* (I want to debate the merits and demerits of Brexit without getting into arguments about democratic will and the backlash from disrespecting a referendum, basically)
** (limiting to US because easier to find research from there and “status quo” differs across countries)
Non-Evidence Formats (Parli) Only
Sports regulatory authorities should permit the use of performance-enhancing drugs by sportspeople (Pro)
The US should grant amnesty to all undocumented immigrants currently in the US who have not committed crimes (Pro)
Countries should abandon the strategy of decapitation in counterterrorism (either)
The glorification of soldiers does more harm than good (either)
Charities and humanitarian aid organizations should not use images of graphic suffering in their ad campaigns (Pro)
Current sanctuary cities in the US should stop being sanctuary cities (Con)
Online entertainment platforms (such as Netflix and Spotify) should remove works of art created by people who have committed violent crimes (Con)
The US should ban the private ownership of firearms (either)
On balance, the rise of China in international geopolitics is undesirable (Pro)
Parliamentary democracies should implement quotas for women in national legislatures (Pro)
Slum tourism in developing countries does more harm than good (Pro)
Schools should stream students into classrooms based on their academic performance (Con)
Within broad budgetary constraints, environmental policy should be decided by unelected scientific experts selected by their peers (Pro)
Effective altruism does more good than harm (Pro)
A world with memory rewriting technology would be preferable to the current world (Con)
The US should reinstate Glass-Steagall legislation that separates commercial and investment banking (either)
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Just curious. Not asking for your personal opinions on these issues, asking for whether you think these are balanced and interesting debates.
Set 1:
- Governments should actively prevent gentrification.
- The NSA should alert software manufacturers of all zero-day vulnerabilities it finds in order for them to patch these defects.
- In cinema, creating new lead characters for minorities (e.g., Black Panther, Hancock) is better than recasting existing roles played by members of social majorities with minority actors (e.g., Ghostbusters, The Little Mermaid).
- The United States should break up Amazon.com, Inc.
- Newly established governments in postconflict societies should adopt truth and reconciliation commissions.
- Payday lending should be illegal.
- It would be preferable to the status quo if national legislatures reserved seats for politicians under the age of 30.
- Countries should ban the practice of “bride importing.”
- A world where people took in their elderly parents would be preferable to one where they supported them to live separately.
- China’s attempts to become a dominant global power are regrettable.
- Charities and humanitarian organizations should not use graphic images of suffering in their ad campaigns.
- The glorification of soldiers as heroes does more harm than good.
Set 2:
- South Africa should forcibly break up exclusive Afrikaaner enclaves.
- Protections of international law conventions and treaties should not apply to combatants from terrorist organizations (e.g., prohibitions on torture, prisoner of war status, guarantee of post-conflict release).
- Governments should implement substantial measures to impose long-termism in corporate investment culture (e.g., minimum holding periods for shares, yearly rather than quarterly financial reporting, long-term executive compensation plans).
- Megacities should be granted autonomous control over their economic and social policy (e.g. immigration, health, criminal justice) with national taxation policy remaining under the control of the federal government.
- The United States should actively disengage from Syria.
- Developing countries should privatize their state-owned enterprises.
- The World Health Organization should adopt a convention which bans the sell of drugs with high resistance tendencies (e.g., antibiotics) to countries which do not comply with WHO guidelines regarding their medical and agricultural use.
- Governments should significantly increase their use of big data-based predictive models in decisionmaking to replace human judgments (e.g., criminal justice policy, allocation of healthcare resources, housing development).
- Governments should require that all financial institutions back up all deposits with an equivalent value of government-backed safe assets.
- On balance, humanity will likely be worse off 100 years from now.
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What are your favorite nonfiction books about science or the social sciences?
I'm particularly interested in readable, modern books about cosmology, quantum physics, public policy, gender, development, economics, and philosophy.
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April’s PF topic area was “India.” The topic that was chosen was: “The United Nations should grant India permanent membership on the Security Council.”
I find it utterly bizarre that in a year of an Indian national legislative election -- the election with the largest number of eligible voters in the world, and one with significant differing policy proposals, such as one party proposing a guaranteed minimum income (which is different than a UBI, here’s a good debate on the subject: https://www.debate.org/debates/Guaranteed-Minimum-Income/1/) and a right to housing for all individuals -- a random topic about what the dynamics of the UN Security Council would look like with a sixth member and how that would affect South- and Southeast Asian geopolitics was chosen. Meh.
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Say you’re a debate judge and you come across this situation.
The third reason under Con’s second contention in R1 (just as an example) is very strong as an impact and is enough to win Con the debate. However, the rest of Con’s case is terrible and without that reason, Con would lose the debate. Pro drops that reason but tears apart the rest of Con’s case. Con doesn’t bother to extend this third reason of Con’s second contention.
On the flow, this reason exists and would win Con the debate. But Con never bothers to mention that Pro dropped this reason. And if this reason didn’t exist, Con would lose the debate. Who would you give the debate to?
As a more generic question. To what extent should judges weigh dropped arguments when the other side never brings them back? In which contexts should they be considered debate-winning and in which contexts should they not be? I’d prefer answers from people with formal debate experience, but anyone’s welcome to answer.
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I prefer to answer questions on economics and policy issues, but most questions about anything are welcome. I obviously don't guarantee answers to questions I find inappropriate.
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Is anyone on here majoring in economics, or, alternatively, does anyone plan to attend grad school in econ?
Just curious.
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What the title says.
I'm interested in understanding:
(1) What exactly the ethics of care is; is it a normative ethical theory? Is it a prescribed way to apply another normative ethical theory? In particular, I don't get what "care" means.
(2) A clear and succinct explanation of what it prescribes (if anything).
(3) The role it plays in feminist theory and how it interacts with gender.
Wikipedia and SEP haven't been useful in explaining it to me.
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Policy: Resolved: The United States federal government should substantially reduce Direct Commercial Sales and/or Foreign Military Sales of arms from the United States.
PF: Resolved: The United States should end its arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
LD: Resolved: The United States ought not provide military aid to authoritarian regimes.
WSDC 2018 final (back in July): This house believes that the West should end all arms sales and military cooperation with Saudi Arabia.
Oxford IV 2018 ESL semifinal: This house believes that the US should cut all political, economic and military ties with Saudi Arabia.
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What do you think the best news sources for coverage of economic policy, politics, and foreign policy—both issues dealing with the West and issues related to Asia and Africa—are?
What are your thoughts on the following news sources, based on quality of news, quality of op-eds, breadth of coverage, and depth of coverage?
- BBC News
- Al Jazeera
- Reuters
- The Economist
- The Wall Street Journal
- The New York Times
- The Financial Times
- The Diplomat
- South China Morning Post
- The website of the Council on Foreign Relations (https://www.cfr.org)
- The website of the Brookings Institution (https://www.brookings.edu)
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Recently, the US Senate passed a resolution condemning Saudi Arabian actions in Yemen (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/senate-rebukes-saudi-arabia-yemen-war-khashoggi-murder-181213004802358.html). In addition, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has called for Saudi Arabia to end intervention in Yemen (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-usa/secretary-of-state-pompeo-calls-for-end-to-fighting-in-yemen-idUSKCN1N502G).
Should the West continue to militarily cooperate with Saudi Arabia, given the humanitarian situation in Yemen, and only resume cooperation on the condition that the naval blockade is lifted? (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/12/opinion/saudi-arabia-arms-sales.html)
Given that Saudi Arabian relations with Russia (https://www.ft.com/content/aa39b74c-4f0c-11e8-ac41-759eee1efb74) and China (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2168849/china-may-seek-boost-ties-saudi-arabia-it-cant-fill-us-arms) are getting better, if the West does place military sanctions on Saudi Arabia, would they be willing and able to fill that gap, allowing the Yemeni intervention to continue?
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Do you think humanity might face some kind of existential threat in the next two centuries?
Even if you think human extinction in the twenty-first century is unlikely -- I think it's really, really unlikely, I estimate about a 1% chance of it happening -- if human extinction is to occur, what do you think the most likely causes might be? Proposed causes include anthropogenic global warming, strong artificial intelligence, nuclear war, cybersecurity-related issues (e.g., destruction of critical infrastructure by cyberterrorism), biotechnology risk, and even "cosmic risk" (e.g., vacuum decay if the universe is in a false vacuum, Jupiter's gravitational pull making Mercury's orbit unstable).
As an extension of this -- to be a bit more specific -- what are your thoughts on strong AI research and the development of strong AI more generally?
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Ask me anything about my views on politics, economics, international relations, social issues, and philosophy.
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I don’t think it’s the smartest idea to go around diagnosing people you’ve only interacted with on the Internet with specific mental illnesses. If they do have mental health issues, that’s going to be pretty counterproductive; the same if they don’t. Especially given that none of you (that I know of) are psychiatrists or psychologists with expertise in this sort of thing.
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He used to be really insightful. I've only really started appreciating his posts on the Debate.org Economics forum now. I wish there was another Econ AMA of his I could post in -- I'd have so many questions to ask.
(Note: ResponsiblyIrresponsible was a user on Debate.org.)
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I would like to offer apologies for all the unmoderated reported votes on debates whose voting period has expired. I believe we can no longer act on them from here, and most of it is my mistake. I’ve been swamped with exams and work IRL and have barely been online. I promise I’ll get to all pending reported votes that can be acted on this week.
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Describe your general ideology when it comes to foreign policy; particularly looking for answers from the perspective of the United States.
In specific, I'm looking for issues related to defense, military intervention, and how aggressive US foreign policy should be. In other words, outline your ideology on these issues.
On an even more specific level, I have a couple of questions: (1) What should US foreign policy toward Israel be? What is your general opinion of the Israel-Palestine conflict? (2) What should US foreign policy toward Saudi Arabia be? Specifically, should it continue military cooperation/arms sales with Saudi Arabia? Should it support the ongoing intervention in Yemen? (3) What should US foreign policy toward Myanmar be? (4) Should the US engage in drone strikes? Do you agree with the status quo in terms of drone strikes and with Obama's policies in that regard? (5) What is your opinion of Noam Chomsky's foreign policy positions? (6) What is your opinion of the foreign policy positions of Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders? (7) What is your opinion of the foreign policy positions of Robert Gates?
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What are some blogs or online newspaper columns that you like and frequently read?
My personal favorites:
Greg Mankiw's blog
Julia Galef's blog
Marginal Revolution
Obsession with Regression
Conscience of a Liberal
Paul Krugman's NYT column
SlateStarCodex
TheMoneyIllusion
Thing of Things
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What are some political issues important to you when it comes for voting for a proposition or candidate, or more generally? What are your stances on them?
Just to be super-clear on what I mean: you can't say an issue is important to you but you're undecided on what stance to take. I mean specific stances that you would like administrators, politicians, and bureaucrats to take. In other words, evaluate two things: (1) The probability that you think your stance is correct. (2) The magnitude of importance of that issue to you.
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I think DART should have an "other" option in the gender category, in case someone doesn't identify as female or male (e.g. nonbinary people). This is pretty much the status quo on DDO.
Even for those of you who believe that gender is equivalent to biological sex, there's a whole community of intersex people who don't fit within the binary.
In any case, even if gender is actually a binary (which I don't think it is), there is no harm in letting people who don't think it is classify themselves as not being female or male.
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There's a lot of former HS debaters in this community, but I don't think there are many current high school debaters.
When I joined DDO, there were a few active ones (e.g. debatability). Is anyone on here currently a high school debater? What format do you debate in?
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Anyone on here like coffee or tea or both?
What are your coffee and tea preferences?
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I've heard postfiat kritiks being described as "non-unique disadvantages" and "arguments that challenge assumptions in the resolution."
However, I'm unsure on where the line is drawn.
If the Pro case assumes a utilitarian framework, would challenging that utilitarianism with an alternate framework, such as egoism or deontology, be a kritik? The intuitive answer is "no," but a popular argument on DDO that "suffering is good and we should seek suffering" has been described as a kritik -- that seems logically equivalent to proposing a different framework.
Is an impact turn a kritik?
What about a radical counterplan? (e.g. in the debate "RONA should adopt a new conflict of interest policy," if Con advocates a counterplan of shutting down all HOAs; or, in the debate "we should implement a system of school vouchers," if Con advocates a counterplan of banning all private schools)
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Hi. I’m announcing a DebateArt tournament.
The actual structure of the tournament (i.e. whether it’s round-robin or power-paired or double elimination or some other format) will be announced once I know the number of people who’ve signed up.
Otherwise, it’s pretty simple. There’ll be rounds, up until a final. Your opponents will be assigned by me. You’ll be given a limited amount of time to start the debate, so that the tournament runs on schedule. The winner won’t really get anything, other than bragging rights, I guess.
All debates in the tournament should:
1. Have a character limit for each speech ranging from 7,000 to 10,000 characters (not less, not more). Edit: characters include spaces.
2. Have either a 48 hour or a 72 hour time setting for each speech.
3. Have the basic rule of “no new arguments in the final round.”
4. Have either three or four rounds; not more, not less.
Judges should follow current DDO standards for RFDs.
Lastly, on the topics: Each round of the tournament will have a theme, and under that theme, I’ll announce three topics. You have to debate one of those three topics – I’ll try to make them as balanced and interesting as I can. The way topic selection works: each debater will, in a PM with me, be asked to “veto” one of the three topics – any topic that is vetoed won’t be debated by those two debaters (so there’ll be different vetoes for different debates in the same round). If the two debaters veto two different topics, the remaining topic will be the one selected; if the two debaters veto the same topic, then I’ll choose the topic randomly among the remaining two topics.
Debaters in the tournament can’t judge other debates in the tournament.
If you’re interested, please sign up here.
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For people who support legalizing prostitution, I've got two questions:
(1) What are your thoughts on the idea that legalizing prostitution would increase sex trafficking?
(2) Do you think a system where all brothels/prostitution is state-run and regulated, i.e. nationalized, is workable?
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