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@MisterChris
Gaara is an antagonist for the first part of the first season. Barely a blip in the series. No Naruto fan thinks of him as evil. Someone like Pain or Madara is different.
Yes... This was my point. There are some black and white characters but also some grey characters like gaara and sasuke...
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@BearMan
Assuming it is Naruto OS and Naruto Shippuden, you are wrong. She does become a medical kunoichi. You are not as good with logic Pattern. I have already expressed the Sakura was an obvious power role, any mafia could put that together. Therefore it doesn't matter whether I revealed I though Sakura was a doctor or not, because mafia is already going to go after Sakura.
Saying you already did something that was bad for town and so expanded on the thing to make it worse for town doesn't help your case...
I expressed that Sakura is a doctor for information, as that limits mafia's claims of doctor. Are you suggesting that I'm mafia for providing useful information to the town?
Do you not see how that information is more helpful to the mafias team though? Did town desperately need to know that a person is potentially doctor? You gave mafia information for free that they don't have to research now.
Mmm... Lies....
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@oromagi
Pie says he's antagonist and town, either he's saying the truth or he's lying and he's antagonist and mafiaIf Pie's voted and is innocent then his alternate theory is right, if Pie is guilty then my Naruto's friends/enemies division theory is right
Mmm... And what of speedrace? Again it's been awhile since I've seen the show, but Gaara if I remember was the main bad guy in one of the seasons. I vaguely remember him getting a sort of arc near the end of the season but I don't remember if it went anywhere, nad Gaara was mostly antagonistic in the episodes I watched. Also I think I watched up until when Sasuke changed sides; but Sasuke still wasn't technically evil, I think just wanted vengeance on his parents. The lines of good and evil in this show are a little unclear in some case. The show allows for grey area, but in cases of madara and orochimaru I think they were pretty distinctly evil.
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@BearMan
Where else would I assert that? The problem is that mafia is going to target them, not that mafia doesn't know. We need every protector on That1User now, (as doctor self-healing is rare)
You are not as good with patterns... You are abstract. You think in lies and tell them to yourself. That is fascinating, but it is not good for patterns. If you think this user is a doctor why was it smart to say so publicly? I've seen the first couple seasons of the show but do not recall Sakura's medical practices. Saying this publicly seems to only benefit mafia by giving them information they might not have already obtained. I must understand why you did this thing?
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@BearMan
She seemed kind of useless, but she is a main character nonetheless. Main characters usually have power roles. Sakura becomes a well respected medical-nin, so I have a reason to believe that she is the doctor.
Mmmm... And why do you think it is wise to assert this publicly?
Again, why would GreyParrot not claim if he was vanilla? He is either a power role or mafia, and I don't want to risk a power role, especially if it is in the early game. You have to protect your arsenal of weapons before you can attack.
I am very concerned with the bolded part. Town's main objective is to hunt mafia, and you say he has a 50/50 shot of being mafia and you aren't willing to lynch him on those odds? Hmmmm....
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@BearMan
GreyParrot is inactive, but if he is an important role, we should not lynch him.
Do you have reason to suspect he is an important role? He has not claimed anything that I have seen.
Right now we have to focus on protecting the people who have obvious power roles, which is That1User. If anyone is a protector role, please protect That1User.
You assume Sakura is a strong town role, why? From what I remember of the shows first couple of seasons she seemed kind of... useless. And whiny... Mmmmm...
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@Speedrace
VTL GreyParrotIf he's not gonna play then he needs to die
This may be a harsh truth, but a truth nonetheless.
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@That1User
He seemed to hit hard/plow through my theory initially, antagonistic right off the bat, this could either be a dismantling of the true good/evil split between Naruto's friends and enemies or an earnest attempt to rid of unlikely scenarios.You should have questioned me too but you seem to respond more to aggression rather than certainty in theory
I don't see why I would need to have questioned you when the situation is different. I do not disapprove of theory guess work, I am analyzing motives behind the guess work.
Can you elaborate further about the aggression portion? You've lost me.
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@ILikePie5
I made it clear in the middle of our discussion why I don’t think it’s true
Because of the moderators past games? Maybe this is a truth. It was just something of note. Maybe you are correct in this, but I am analyzing and using what I see and know, and maybe not being familiar with the mods past games puts me at a dis-advantage.
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@That1User
Pattern being so against your certainty but not against mine is questionable.
Again, you have claimed one of the main characters. Also theme guess work is not the issue, its the way it's approached. The air of confidence around the disapproval of your theory is what I am questioning of him, not simple guesswork at what the theme is.
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@ILikePie5
I’m not saying it’s 100%. I’m just saying it’s more likely than than not that the theme isnt Good vs Evil just based on history
Mmmm.. This is fine and understandable. I know you are not asserting the notion of the theme presumptions with 100%, I am mostly speaking to the confidence in which it was spoken, implying said informed-ness. It will mostly be suspicious if it turns out to be true.
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@ILikePie5
What’s the difference between guessing a theme and saying it’s most likely not that theme based on historical precedents. I’m not denying that her theory could occur, im just saying it’s not as likely.
Guessing a theme means you are coming from a place of unknown, which seems innocent.
Definitively saying there's no way a certain theme could exist implies inside knowledge. If it turns out true, which we would find out eventually after some night kills, we can look to the motive behind the guess; building credibility. "look the earlier thing I said turned out to be true, that means the things I say should be looked at as truths". Seems a clever manipulation tactic, but it also unintentionally reveals that you aren't coming from a place of unknown, which is inherently scummy. I'm very interested in human behavior and psychology, and while I don't know if this is a hard hitting fact, I think there is some value to it. I'm trying to think of how someone who is actually telling lies might play. This behavior seems to coordinate.
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@ILikePie5
You forgot to reply specifically to me again 😂. Where it says “Receiver” type my name.If I’m wrong then you’re likely to target That? I’m confused as to what you’re implying. Shes claiming she knows the theme.
That1user claims Sakura right? I watched some Naruto a few years ago I think. She is the pink haired girl who is one of the main characters, so I am less suspicious of that claim. Guessing at the theme is one thing though, outright saying it isn't a certain thing with confidence is another...
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You forgot to reply specifically to me. Ig I should’ve been more specific but it’s aight.Well you’re FOSing me for being confident that Good vs Bad likely isn’t the theme based on past games of Supa and others. When That says Good vs Bad is the theme with confidence, you seem to turn a blind eye. I’m just asking why?
Mmm I am just saying if you end up being correct about the theme, if it can be determined later, it will make this statement look like you had knowledge you weren't supposed to have. That is all. Maybe you are right. Just thinking of human psychology, and lie attempts to gain credit to oneself seems a common tactic.
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So Thett doesn’t fit this description but I do? Aight lol
^ Aha!
Also, confused by this statement.
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@ILikePie5
Hmm... I don't know how to format like you for responses, but to summarize: "And a town mafia split between friends of Naruto and enemies is wayyyy too easy lol"
This statement seems way to confident for a person who is not informed. If the 'split' is later determined to fit this statement, I think it is worth considering that you may be a part of the mafia. The statement implies knowledge that an uninformed party should not be privy to. A common lie attempt I am familiar with, is one that an individual can refer back to later to build upon credibility when said statement turns out to be true. A truly uninformed party should not say such things with cnofidence.
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Implied understanding of thematic elements. Presumption on how mod differentiates, perhaps vindicated by player death later. We shall see. If likepie's analysis is correct, I will find the coincidence to be telling.
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Is PGO commonly town? It is not listed among earth's town roles in his guide.
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@BearMan
NarutoSasukeSakuraNejiHinataChojiKakashiRock LeeJiraiya
I am among these
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I googled mafia pgo and found this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner
Is this correct, to what speedrace is claiming?
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@That1User
Mmmm..
My thoughts are that waterphoenix is innocent... This is a truth, because the game started without his role pm, seems mod wouldn't start the game without mafia confirming roles right? Hmm...
Ragnar feels innocent.
Speedrace's character seems... Suspicious. That character from my google search seems like an antagonist, though the character is said to have an arc. Wiki says: "Initially introduced as an antagonist,".
That1user feels innocent. Sakura seems a good character, and one of the main of the series. Also your inquisitive nature feels innocent.
I am still feeling out the others for lies or truths.
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Mmm. This means Waterpheonix isn't part of the mafia, correct? I sense this to be a truth.
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