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@WaterPhoenix
The name supa gave me is Sasuke Uchiha. I am a prodigy...blah blah blah.. something about revenge, Itachi, blah blah blah.... Each night I may choose to track someone.I am town.
1) I am part of the Uchiha clan, one of the last remaining.2) I am a prodigy and my peers consider me the strongest.3) I want to kill my brother Itachi as an act of revenge.That's the 3 main things
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@ILikePie5
@oromagi
I hate to mod psyche also what a mod would or wouldn't make a role. Because generally balance should take precedence to making a role make sense. That's how I mod anyway. In saying that I mean, there are probably other roles that match Sasuke better than a tracker, but if I wanted a tracker in the game I might BS the link to make it work. And it's not like the description grey gave for sasuke isn't accurate, Sasuke really did want revenge for his family's death and is technically tracking down the killer Itachi.
I am thinking a better solution would be this: Have greyparrot track speed to test speeds PGO claim. Both have semi scummy claims, and grey is voting speed currently anyway. If mafia roleblock grey, it will make speed look bad (if he is town) however it will also let the cop/doc/insertotherpowerrolehere get away with free results.
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@WaterPhoenix
I actually agree with this. I was typing a similar post on the computer before the internet stopped working again. Smh. Mostly because if we are going to lynch based on scummy claims we can satisfy pie and we can also satisfy oro who thinks we can benefit from learning the theme difference. Also sasuke is much more anti Naruto then id say Gaara is from where I watched to in the show. I dont think speeds role is too harmful its basically a vanilla. If there are any non essential town visiting roles they can always test him too. But lynching grey has 0 drawbacks. Because grey as he just admitted will usually just wagon amd won't really post anything of substance and it will be harder to read him anyway. The only thing id be willing to consider speed for is the way he bandwagoned on me when it was convienent. But then again he also did that in the last couple of games too so that may be more him just sticking to the status quo. I definitely held him to a higher standard than that though. Still id prefer a grey lynch in these circumstances.
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That VTNL guy also has quite a wagon growing on him, he must be pretty suspicious.
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@Greyparrot
I was a popular wagon earlier, why not vote me?
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@Greyparrot
Why speed? His character is actually less scummy than yours, considering the way the show plays out.
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For some reason my work is blocking Dart now. Not gonna be too motivated to post from my phone. Also no one wants to actually dialogue with me so the game is getting boring anyway. If bandwagoning the easiest lynch is how we are playing these days its probably best mafia win this game and go on a 20 win streak. I am actually totally fine with that. Good luck fam!
Vtl pattern.
I'm normally pretty against self voting as town but this... Feels right. Mafia needs a win streak. I'm sorry.
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@MisterChris
I am literally losing all motivation to keep playing... I think I'm taking a break for today.
Oh come on its all good. Don't let toxic ol' me scare you away lol. Id rather be mislynched than have the site lose a new potential member. I'll even vote myself if you stick around lol
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The game doesn't need to be paused I reported the attempted doxxing already to the mods. Also I dont want the person banned for that anyway. Mayne one of his multiple accounts should be but that's the extent of it lol.
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@Speedrace
Was this at all motivated by my hammer of you when you were lone wolf
Not really but that whole wagon was stupid. You can call it a gambit gone wrong; not technixally the whole truth because I was fully prepared to talk my way out of it. But that didn't happen and thats what annoys me. Dart is anti- talking about anything. Even you and pie members who I used to think were decent have succumbed to bandwagoning habits. DDs lynch was absolutely horrible the guy didnt even get to talk lol. Your own lynch was horrible. Its why I stopped playing after luckys game. All the good DART players sre just gone, danielle, drafter, etc and the good ones that remained habe succumbed to the laziness habit that people like GP and waterphoenix have fostered in this environment. Any dialogue or back and forth is considered aggressive or defensive. Dart doesn't encourage debate, it encourages laziness. Why play? Oro and supa gut read me dp1 last game without ever substantiating the argument so I figured starting a new account would get rid of meta predisposition. But I know the problem is deeper than that. I was gonna just play and bandwagon like crap with pattern but I realized I couldn't do that and ended up just playing normally.
And playing normally led to the same results lol. Stormlight was a sh1t show that town won because the lazy players were on the scum team. Lazy just isnt fun. Bandwagoning is the thing now.
Dart needs to experience a 20 mafia lose streak to realize the environment you created is horrible for mafia continuity. DDO had the same problem years ago and it took a mafia win streak to change that.
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@Speedrace
You literally dony have a reason to vote me lol. Your character is 100% scummier than mine though and youe role is not helpful
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@MisterChris
You can say that last comment was aggressive lol. Nothing before that has been though. I'm sick of people confusing any back and forth dialogue with aggression or defensiveness lol
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@BearMan
Dude you jave to cheat at mafia to play and still can't win a fvcking game. Thats kind of hilarious dont you think?
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@BearMan
Look at what skittlez just said lol. Who hasnt been reading?
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@BearMan
What read do you actually have that is not omgus? Lol if your town you really think you've solved the game? Makes much nore sense you are scum if I'm your only read.
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Btw, I dropped the act already, so I'll just come out with it since like 4 people already know, my cover is blown. This is Lunatic. Roleplaying a character named pattern from the stormlight archive books I have been reading. The character hums a lot and is obsessed with truths and lies. Wanted to try to play the game from a new account to try and see if people would put more effort into lynching; My theory was wrong. I am still being lynched as the most vocal town member. I think I've concluded that people are intimidated by logical back and forths and it's much easier to just lynch without talking or explaining their reasons. The fact that people are wanting to lynch me because they think I am a noob is evidence that really no one is reading the majority of anything I've said lol.
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@skittlez09
if i had to lynch someone out of the two id pick patternhowever i think we should vtnl cuz speed doesnt seem that scummish and pattern is prolly just a noobish town
Why would you pick me? And what have I done that you think is so noobish? How have you contributed to the game in a meaningful way?
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@ILikePie5
Who are the top 3 people most likely to be scum in your view?
I'll be in the minority on all of them. But I am thinking a scum team with bear/Mr.chris is a definite possibility based on how much chris went to his defense. MisterChris literally agrees with me and is still not only defending bear, but actually going as far to vote me lol. Makes no sense. I think they are a scum team. Speedrace and water are my 3rd and 4th reads, I would move water down a notch though, because of him not recieving a role pm. I think Mafia would have gotten their pm's before they day phase went up. If I had to guess, though scum is in those three. Chris, bear and speed.
Ragnar is very town, he has had many oppertunities to bandwagon and has remained objective. You are feeling town to me. Not sure about skittlez or croc (I think croc and bearman are the same person instead of brothers or friends or whatever, but I won't steer us on that tangent). I have townish vibes from oro and that1user, and greyparrot is idk. maybe lean more scum on greyparrot. He hasn't decided to do anything to further the game.
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@ILikePie5
You know what? I'll join you on speed. Will help us learn the theme too, plus with his bandwagon on me I feel more comfortable with it.
unvote, vtl speedrace.
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@Speedrace
Mafia figuring out that Sakura --> Doctor has nothing to do with the theme
Bearman used theme logic to make that determination... so....
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@Speedrace
What does you character claiming have to do with anything?
You are voting me, and I claimed. So I was just saying that means you are voting me for death.
And getting lynched DP1 happens to everyone, you gotta learn from your mistakes and do better next time
Yeah, but what was my mistake? Potentially being wrong about 1 read? Do I really need to be lynched for that? I have admitted several times I could be wrong. I am obviously the minority against bearman, you really think mafia would still be pursuing this? What do you expect to achieve out of my lynch? Will my lynch help you decide whether bear is scum, or is this just out of spite because you think I am "aggressive" somehow? lol
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I don't understand how bear is being town read. I just don't. I almost feel like it's because I pressured him, in which case maybe I shot town in the foot by ever going after him lol. If it's literally that you just suspect me for going after him and that's why he's so town, maybe my death will be beneficial with some backwards logic?
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@Speedrace
For Bear saying that Sakura is doctor, I don't think that was a bad choice because mafia would almost certainly have figured it out anyway. If he's mafia, he would've just told them in their PMs. If anything, it makes Bear town because mafia wouldn't want town to have that info
How are you certain mafia would be familiar with the theme?
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@Speedrace
I've already character claimed lol. So you are full on pursuing my lynch then? Great. Fun game.
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Okay, man. Let me prove you wrong using your own medicine. You have constantly displayed a pattern of sus behavior. This pattern can be seen by trying to lynch anyone who made a mistake.
Oh so your finally admitting it was a mistake then? That's a step in the right direction.
This is an obvious scum pattern. You could argue about a noob, but noobs don't tend to follow this pattern unless they are scum. I have consistently contributed to town, in fact much than you have, by backing up my claims with patterns of behavior. You on the other hand have made the thinnest links and backed them up with no patterns whatsoever. Are you sure your name should be Pattern, Pattern?
How have you contributed to town? All you've done is push my lynch after I went after you lol. That's literally all.
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The really odd thing is that I am being completely dis-regarded as useless. If you think I may be wrong, or maybe making a mountain out of a molehill with my read, that's one thing. I am fine with that. But I am actually being counter scum read and told I am as good as useless for pressuring the guy who tried ousting the doctor. Clearly anti-town behavior. Even if he is town, is was objectively bad for him to do that. People aren't even dis-agreeing with me on that. But I'm useless even if I am town because of this read? Seriously? Really makes me want to play and contribute more.... lol
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Does waterphoenix always play like this? Just jump on whatever lynch is convenient?
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@WaterPhoenix
well, i mean, based on the way things are going so far, if pattern=mafia then bearman=town and if bearman=mafia then pattern=town. pattern has been playing way more sus than bearman so i guess i'll place my vote on him but if some new ground breaking scum slip comes through i'll vote someone else.
You haven't explained why I am "sus".
But jesus. I guess I'll claim character. I am Hinata.
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@That1User
He didn't oust the doctor
He thought he was so regardless, anti town.
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@BearMan
Please vote on someone with an ample amount of evidence or VTNL
His vote is on the guy who ousted the doctor. I think it's good where it is. :)
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@BearMan
You suggest this is an OMGUS, even though there has been a pattern of sus behavior. Including trying to lynch three people at once.
Yeah that just isn't true. You know it lol. You can feel free to qoute me.
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@BearMan
Lol you remind me of a wife cheating on her man. The only reason you are lynching me is because I suspected you first. The wife wants to suggest the other is cheating to cover her own shame. You haven't made one logical point to assume I am of mafia affiliation.
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@MisterChris
But Bear has consistently contributed to the conversation with strategy ideas that at least seem constructive... You, on the other hand, have given a litany of claims and suggestions that steer us in a direction of confusion, not clarity.
Noticing non specificity about "Steering us in a direction of confusion". What does that even mean?
Let’s start with BearMan exposing That1User as the doctor.It was a clear mistake, no doubt, but it did not smell of mafia. Mafia would have wanted the town to not pick up on the importance of her role. Yet, you seem threatened by the mere idea that BearMan would mention her importance, much less suggest someone protect her.
I do not even see how this is a debate, seeing as you yourself opted not to out the suspicion of her being a doctor. To deny this was anti town is a lie. To classify it as a mistake when he still defends his actions is insane.
Most people have shrugged BearMan's actions off as a mistake... But not you. You zeroed in on him, and have kept consistent pressure with no rational motive, even going as far as to attempt to instigate a vote wagon.
He ousted the doctor. That's a pretty big deal.
You supported Grey’s ban… which was really only due to him being busy.
Your words. Not his. He just didn't want to play from what I can see.
Recall when you accused Pie of being mafia because he gave the opinion (that seems to be holding true) that “a town mafia split between friends of Naruto and enemies is wayyyy too easy lol” Your aggressive attack on Pie for sharing a mild prediction made the forum devolve into convoluted chaos.
I didn't accuse pie of being mafia, I suspected one thing he said. Never even voted him. Why do you people throw around the word aggressive so often? What do you actually consider aggressive? I consider this calm dialogue lol.
There is a pattern there (No pun intended). If you're not a liability for being a mafia member, you're at least being one for being an overly accusatory town member.
I think your reasons are crazy, but at the same time, I question your motives with this. You don't have a vote on me, haven't asked for any type of claim. So what exactly do you want from this exchange? You seem non-committal.
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@MisterChris
Pattern is the biggest scumread for me rn.
Hmmm... Not sure why, but what can I do to alleviate your suspicion so we can get back on track for lynching bear?
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@That1User
Percieve you to be accusatory, it's the behavior you give off
Hmmmm.... Assuming this to be true, which I dont think it is, why is this a thing mafia would do instead of town? Are innocent people not genuinely inquisitive and perceptive for lies? And not likely to be suspicious of many others?
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@oromagi
This was to say that its safe to assume to be consistent with your own logic, your own claim is probably not that of an antagonist. Otherwise your actions (regardless of intent to lynch until death) would be based upon lies.
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@That1User
Pattern has been accusing everyone, possibly deflecting from himself, or going too hard as a noob.
Accusing everyone? Please elaborate. My vote has only been on grey parrot and now he has claimed, bearman.
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@MisterChris
Id assume if he were to crusade lynching antagonists claims he would be pretty confident his character was a "good guy". Otherwise that would be suspicious would it not?
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@BearMan
What have you contributed to town besides your false accusations of scum? You seem to think every single person is scum through your incredibly honed senses created from absolutely zero games.
Your defensiveness here reeks of lies.
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@MisterChris
Oro has been demonstrably pro-town but likely has a character like Danzō, who is an antagonist but loves the Village (or, town).
Oro was the one suggesting we should lynch pie based on his antagonistic claim though. That would be hypocritical of him if hos own character was antagonist in anyway.
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@That1User
It was an error but everything he has done points that Bearman is town.
Such as publicly identifying the town's protection.... Mmmm... lies....
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@MisterChris
Don't think lynching BearMan is warranted.
Yet you seem to agree, the motive of keeping potential power roles hidden is in favor of the towns best interest since you yourself did not come forward publicly with the information that Sakura was a likely doctor. Bearman has not heeded to the town's best interest.
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@That1User
You're saying Pie is someone like Sasuke in the grey area, being considered an antagonist but town?Possible, don't know if it's probable, Grey mentioned being Grey too so maybe he's Sasuke.
Greyparrot literally claimed sasuke.
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unvoting, voting to lynch bear man
For announcing information that helps the mafia team.
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@That1User
Speed is a def target to lynch down the line but we need to eliminate more main antagonists, I personally believe Pie is Madara or Pain, he could see himself as town by how driven by ideals they are.
That wasn't my point though, I was arguing against the notion that it is good vs evil. Which is ironic considering Likepie's and my discussion earlier, though technically a similar subject, very different context. I wasn't dis-agreeing with him about it being good guys vs bad guys, or naruto and friends vs everyone else. If his character is truly innocent, and he has a grey area hero though, it would make sense why he was as confident about the theme.
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