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@Casey_Risk
Usually it takes a few weeks or months to start so you would probably be good. I’ve done it the last three times so I’m down for someone else to volunteer as tribute. I have trouble keeping pace cuz the activity is ten times more than debateart. Also the skill level is ten times better. MU players are wild
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@Casey_Risk
What was the point of killing Pie first btw? He wasn't widely townread; kind of the opposite, in fact.
I’d say that was mostly bullish decision but I consented to it because I knew pie was gonna do the thing where he pressures the mod into getting everyone’s actions in asap and I wanted to stall the night phase as long as possible during the weekend without worry about pie game solving based on external factor so I figured letting pie die was a net positive considering we didn’t know what his role was also. But yeah I agree he was in a lot of peoples scum reads and I did point that out in the scum pm
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@whiteflame
One other thing to bear in mind. The way this is written:
Because of this, you are the Godfather. You appear as Town to ALL investigative roles. You win with Mafia.suggests the existence of multiple town alignment-investigating roles. I think your aim was to state that it affects a variety of roles, but when you say "ALL investigative roles," that suggests that it affects different roles that are present in this game. I think that's part of the reason Casey saw his flip as demonstrative of the existence of a Cop.
He did tell us that it didn’t counter tracker/ watcher. Which means that literally the only point of it was to counter dreamer. In which case the dreamer shouldn’t have caught both mafia anyway, so basically he could have just made me a goon, as my role was literally pointless.
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@Vader
Now, despite this, I still don’t think that this was 100% on me. For one, I think mafia should have ninja’d Pie easily.
Lol
Regardless, still would have been fvcked by the multiple protection roles. We could counter one of 4 power roles, not to mention a back up existed and a fvcking motivator to boot. Town really has no excuse to lose this one besides the questionable mod decisions.
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@whiteflame
Those reads were a minor element. I thought it was possible that you were just that unsure. Moozer was the bigger issue, since you said you were willing to vote him, but waited in the wings to do so. I didn’t get the impression that you were just coming in late to it, though that may have been true.
The vote train on moozer happened pretty fast, I was pressuring earth at the time, but why vote if its not needed lol. But still odd considering I had probably the best case against moozer pointing out that he didn't make sense as vanilla, I had written a pretty large post about it too. Definitely didn't feel like I was acting unsure on that one.
Too bad, man. That would’ve given you a lot of cover, shame you didn’t go with it.
Tell that to bullish lol. He is super strong willed, I argued and made my case for doing it. But like I said, even if we had ninjad the balance was so bad that That2 or wylted would have been confirmed with no counter to that. Balance was whack.
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Also idk why that2 was lynched, she was clearly softing Dr melfi. I knew she was the doctor from the second she softed lol
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That said, what was the point of my role? Literally to not get caught on the dreamer? How fvcking gay is that lol. Town had a bodyguard and a doctor, and a dreamer plus a tracker. 4 town power roles, and we could only counter literally one of them with a strongman or a ninja. We had to choose one or the other. Even if we had tried to go for that2 who apparently protected herself, the kill would have been protected against confirming two town players. IDK, I firmly believe mafia should be able to counter everything town can do. It's extremely frustrating for town to just get caught on results or POE. A combination of questionable mod decisions and poor town night action and day phase decisions saved bullish the win here, but ultimately, was not a good game.
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@whiteflame
The balance was clearly problematic, but damn man, there’s so much that does not make sense from what played out.Also, yeah, it was a gutread that got you this time. Just had an inkling something was up.
To be clear, you said you tracked me because I posted mostly null reads on page 4 of dp1? I mean I clearly stated that the reads weren't going to be fleshed out at that point. 4 pages in... Yeah I would have done the exact same thing as town. And something about me waffling on moozer? I was fully ready to lynch moozer, he got hammered before it was neccesary. I just think those are very "I could have just as easily been town there reasons".
Regardless, I opted to use the ninja that night, but had an argument with bullish who thought the strongman was a better use because "rIsK vS rEwArD". You know me, I am all for taking risks, but I still don't understand what the reward was there. I am not used to coming at odds with mafia partner on decisions, and bullish is very strong willed so I just caved and let him direct the night actions, but for the record, I argued that we should ninja np1 which makes the fact that I got caught on results even more frustrating.
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@Earth
Jesus Christ, how lucky was mafia?
Idk how lucky it is to have a godfather role that literally protects against nothing, just to get tracked np1 cuz we can only use a strongman or a ninja against two protective roles and two investigative roles, with no roleblocker. Imagine getting caught when your in most people's town piles dp1 on results? Would either have been protected against, confirming town players, or caught on results. Wasted hours of time researching this theme just to be caught in the gayest way possible. Some bastard modding and poor town decisions resulted in the town loss here, but this heavily favored town.
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Hey there checking in, it's the weekend I tend to be slightly less active on mafia during the weekends but I'll do my best to keep up.
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@whiteflame
Guess that’s the hammer. Nice to have another site mod in the driver’s seat on this one, always feels like I need to be on alert to close these down ASAP after the DP’s closed by forum post.
Your the hero we need but not the one we deserve
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I was just thinking we are all criminals here and slipping into that but you know what. I can be happy with a Moozer lynch rereading his posts. His justification sounds like bullshit the pushback against claining vanilla. The only thing that gives me pause is Vader likes vanillas and he is a big character
Yeah bullish is also technically a shady character, so it fits.
Not sure if I am needed to hammer or if there is any thing left to discuss, but I am willing to lynch bullish based on previous stated issues with his claim.
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@WyIted
Bullish's character makes no sense either unless I am missing some of the plot but we have to depend on scum to eliminate him from the POE assuming he is scum in which case he'll ave a hard time explaining why he's alive come mylo h
Why is that? I mostly caught up on season 1 other than research I did on other claimed characters, but Bullishes character seemed prominent at least in season 1.
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@WyIted
There has got to be at least one snitch in the show
No but Big pussy was a rat for the feds and got caught by bullish character
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@Earth
What exactly are you saying? We already have Bullish claiming a non-Soprano. The spilt can't be that. Also, was it you that got fixated on mafia being antagonists in a past game?
I am saying you aren’t town confirmed simply for claiming a female character. And I said nothing about antagonists, technically there isn’t a good vs evil in this theme everyone is pretty much guilty, I’m not entertaining that as a theme split. Idk what the split is but there is one female who is probably at least in the game and I believe that is that2users character, if my guess is right.
Anyways you convienently showed up and rather defensively when you got pressure on you so it seems you’ve been lurking. Why is that?
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Only reason I was giving earth a pass before was his claim being female, but honestly the more I think about it, the more that doesn't really mean anything without knowing the split. The split could be Lizzie and Jr vs the rest of the sopranos for all I know, they seem to be the main antagonists in season 1.
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@Bullish
I think we're gravitating toward a moozer lynch, which I'm fine with. He's not screaming "lynch me" the same way Savant was last game, but still a good choice. My read on him is weak enough though I would also be happy to lynch earth, who has made 7 posts total this DP.
I'd be happy putting some pressure on earth, earth is best not to let him skate, he will both as mafia and town, so its honestly not worth risking.
VTL earth.
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The description moozer gave is technically correct in the early part of the series but ignores his major character development throughout the rest of the show, and I just think its a weird thing to make someone who virtually takes over as underboss a vanilla.
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Spoiler alerts:
"In the Season Six episode, "The Ride" Janice, along with Bobby's son and younger daughter were in an accident during the Feast of Saint Elzéar carnival. Janice and the kids were riding the ride, which malfunctioned due to faulty machinery whilst Bobby was escorting his elder daughter to the restrooms. Bobby's initial reaction was relief that his family were unhurt. When Bobby was invited to the Soprano residence for a Sunday dinner the following week, Janice later berated him for not getting angry over the incident, to which Bobby stood his ground saying family dinners are not a forum for those grievances. She later accompanied him when he paid a visit to the ride owner, pretending to be suffering from nerve damage. Bobby stormed into his motel room, beat him up and tried to extort money from him but learned that Paulie had been responsible for withholding the funds needed to repair the ride. Bobby tracked him down at the festival and angrily confronted him - the two were separated by other associates in the crew. At Christopher's belated bachelor party Bobby left soon after Paulie arrived. Tony ordered Paulie to make things right with Bobby. The episode demonstrated Bobby's devotion to his family, but also confirmed his credentials as a man not to be crossed lightly, further cementing his position in the higher echelons of Tony's crew."
Bobby confronting Paulie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYmoZ-PHzxo
"In the Season Six episode "Soprano Home Movies", a drunken fist fight between Tony and Bobby, sparked by an obscene comment made by Tony about Janice, threatened to compromise the growing relationship between the two men. Bobby won the fight, battering the inebriated Tony quite severely, but also injuring his boss's pride."
Bobby beating the sh1t out of Tony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ktF-y-hPU
"Bobby (to his visible discomfort) was tasked with murdering the brother-in-law of one of Tony's Québécois associates, an important hit that formed part of a deal to save money on a pharmaceuticals racket. It was Bobby's first murder; Tony mentioned earlier that Bobby had never "popped his cherry" with wetwork as his father didn’t want that for him."
"Bobby was soon promoted to underboss of the Soprano family. The murder initiated a change in his attitude from a soft and shy personality to a more outgoing, assertive and ruthless one. When Tony was having difficulties regarding a loan from his old friend, Herman "Hesh" Rabkin, a loan shark, Bobby suggested Tony not bother paying any of the money back considering Hesh could not force Tony to do anything, and also saying that tony should have told Hesh to "go fuck himself". Such a ruthlessly logical piece of thinking was quite at odds with the gentle, quiet Bobby from a few years back."
"Eventually, Bobby appeared to have won a place within Tony's "inner circle" of trusted associates; no mean achievement for a man who, for a long time, had been little more than Junior Soprano's driver (as a dismissive Lupertazzi soldier once described him)."
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@whiteflame
Not to mention his character doesn't make a ton of sense with vanilla, or ignore a ton of later character development. Its like ignoring the entire breaking bad character arc of walter white and saying that walter white is a meager pushover
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@ILikePie5
What are your thoughts on Whiteflame
He was null for me in my last read list, I am generally always a bit weary of him. He did say he doesn't have as much interest in this theme based on lack of knowledge and explained thats why hes been a bit inactive. But idk, whiteflames scum play isn't usually based around inactivity, I expect him to put an effort in as scum usually so its just null to me.
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@ILikePie5
Have yall noticed that Bullish character claimed without any pressure last game (assuming I’m remembering correctly). But he hasn’t here yet still advocating for character claims from people. Talk about hypocrisy
To me it sounds like hes softing a pr, which is what I am assuming is the difference. He was a roleblocker in the last game
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@Bullish
Its the only reason I am giving moozer a pass, because its a supa meta, but the character justification only really fits for early in the show and ignores a ton of character development.
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Okay so on moozers character, I read the whole wiki on him. I guess he starts off kind of the way moozer describes? But that doesn’t really summarize the whole character. In fact he doesn’t stay meek and mild mannered long, he grows into a kind of ruthless henchman and even tries convincing Tony to go against his friend Hesh who is close to Tony is s1. And he actually gets in a drunken fight with Tony and beats the ever living shit out of him. He develops into one of Tony’s best ranked soldiers and definitely becomes more ruthless after his first hit happens.
That said I do think supa would give out at least one vanilla claim in his game based on researching previous supa games. At the moment I am dubious that he is actually vanilla but if we hear a second vanilla claim I will really doubt it. If he is town and lying I hope he has a good reason.
Ultimately I don’t think he’s vanilla based in what I read but this is supas game so maybe he sees the character differently?
Considering Bobby inherits and becomes the underboss I’d see him getting a bigger role, or maybe a role that develops into something else bigger later. Anyways that’s my two cents but moozer has claimed so I guess we can move on from him for now.
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@WyIted
I agree 100% with your Moozer read but didn't want to state it because I wanted to see if he would continue that behavior.
He's played enough games I think he should know that you have to apply pressure in order to get things moving, so I don't give him the noob excuse anymore.
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@Casey_Risk
I'll just say that my character knows Tony Soprano on quite a personal leve
This applies to literally half the cast but okay lol
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@Casey_Risk
I don't view things that way at all tbh. Moozer is generally pretty straightforward and easy to read imo. The push on That2 really would have seemed random to someone like him who wasn't in the last game and also hasn't played at all in a while. I don't read Moozer as defending That2, just being a bit confused as to why multiple players were voting for her, which is a pretty normal reaction. I'd say Moozer is a slight townlean rn personally.
I just don't understand his motive in getting information and moving the game forward when he also has a problem with literally applying pressure on anyone to get that information.
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Unvote my troll vote from before.
Early reads (we are 4 pages in so forgive me that these aren't that elaborate or established).
Whiteflame- Null- Coming off fairly reasonable and normal sounding. I'm always paranoid of whiteflame but so far he hasn't pinged my radar any more than usual, he is just someone I will perpetually keep a eye on.
iLikePie5- Null very slight scum?- Not basing this off of much but the fact that he still seems to be eager to pursue that2user, which I initially hopped on that wagon as well but backed off when she made a pretty prominent soft claim. It's been pointed out to pie that she has but he still hasn't really backed off of it. I get that may be partially related to him not knowing the theme (I could be wrong on my assumption as well), but his attachment here seems oddly aggressive, and I do think that2 is putting a bit more effort in than the last game, so the established reason for pressing her seems to be less impactful here. I expect a bit more activity from pie as the day phase progresses.
That2User- Town- Based on her soft claim and who I think she is claiming. If she ends up claiming something different than what I think she is later I will be pretty suspicious, but the fact that she didn't want to claim easily, claims she is "close" to Tony, and is a female, is a pretty large indicator to me who the character is, and that is a character I would imagine to be town and in the game based on the season 1 research I did.
Wylted- Slight town- Im using a bit of mod psyche here, but I have a hard time buying wylted lands scum three times in a row. Also he did technically start the last game as town, and I saw how he played as town adjacent to how he played as scum that game, so far I'd say his tells are more consistent with his town play. Wylted is kind of an enigma and can be very manipulative, but I am not seeing that manipulative side yet, so I am passing him off as town for now.
Casey- Null- I don't have much on casey, I am not pressing her currently because I don't think my vote is needed, but I am fine with ultimately hearing more from her. We need a couple claims at least dp1, if she was chosen to be one of those claims I guess then so be it, I don't agree that it should be her over anyone else in particular, (especially for the faulty reasoning of being wrong on a single lynch in the last game), but yeah, again fine pressuring her for somewhere to start.
Earth- Null maybe town?- Hasn't really done anything to progress the game forward either, but his claim is an outlier in that he also claimed a female. There are quite a few female characters in the show, but so far we've only got two in game characters claimed as female. I feel like mafia would probably stick a male since theres sooo frikkin many to choose from, so I give him slight town cred for this, as female seems pretty risky in this set up. Without knowing the theme split, there could be several female characters considered prominent s1 (Carmella, Melfi, Meadow, Lyvia, Charmaine). Anyways, yeah just feels kind of risky and earth isn't really a risky scum player, so i'll toss him town cred for now.
Moozer- Null slight scum?- I don't really give moozer the noob pass anymore so I kind of find some of his takes weird, and ultimately don't understand what his town goals and motivations are. He seems to be okay with town offering information, but when we specify any sort of target for a claim, he gets defensive for that person. First it was that2user, now its casey. He wants information, but doesn't want town to pursue it? I don't understand what his actual goal here is, and I feel like he may be scum using inside information of known town players to get defensive over these players, in the off chance one is lynched he can say "I told you so" because I literally see no other reason he is randomly defending people in dp1 like this.
Bullish- Null could go either way- Obviously punishing casey for a mistake she made in another game in lynching him is ridiculous, but I don't know if he expects that argument to be taken that seriously. I do know that bullish as town in the last game seemed frustrated when the game wasn't progressing and people were shooting his ideas to move the game forward down, so him applying pressure anywhere seems consistent with his town meta from the last game in some capacity. I just haven't seen scum bullish in a while either, so I don't know how to read his aggression here as normal or over aggressive. Casey is a player I don't consider a noob, and can easily fend for herself, so bullish relentlessly pressuring her early feels bolder than that usual push. My instincts say that is townie, but it doesn't really stir my gut well. I am just gonna stick him in null for now and monitor his aggression to see if it stays consistent, and if it doesn't see if there is practical reasons why it wouldn't.
Ultimately out of all my reads I like moozer the least and don't really understand his goal for moving the game forward, so if I had to choose to put pressure somewhere it would be on him. Again I don't think he gets the noob pass anymore.
vtl moozer
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@Moozer325
It's just an idea. If everyone hates it then don't do it. I think it would be nice to lock in some people to characters early though.
Hold on, you were getting uppity about early pressure on that2user and now you are all for having everyone give away all their role secrets. Why the change of heart towards that2 only?
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@Casey_Risk
I agree, I think that pressuring someone early just because they're not good at fakeclaiming is a really lame meta. It also really hurt the town in Shocking TV Moments Mafia. I'm not keen to repeat that one.
Its also worked before to catch people, so just because it doesn't work one time doesn't mean its a bad strategy. Force the players to get good at fake claiming or they can continually lose, eventually they will break.
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@Moozer325
Why are we pressuring that2 right off the bat? That said, I haven’t played with them, but it still feels scapegoating. Past behavior shouldn’t be the only reason to pressure someone this early in the game.Oh, and I’m male
I was pressuring her, because she folded pretty badly in the last mafia game as scum and figured we could probably figure her out pretty fast this time if the last game was any rubric to judge her scum play. But after her soft I am pretty sure she is town now.
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unvote, I don't think that2 needs to claim further. Going to bed soon ill be on tonight
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@ILikePie5
Idk anything about theme as well. Dunno if I wanna read the wiki cause this show has been on my list of shows to watch soooo
been on my list for a while too just never put it to the front
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Just finished watching this, that is my knowledge of the show so far. I just found out there was 6 seasons, I don't know if I will watch all 6 season recaps but im not feeling it so probably not. I know the basic concept and idea of the show now at least.
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@WyIted
"Dentists! who needs em. Not to mention the blacks and the jews"
"NOT THAT THERES ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT"
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@WyIted
Maybe none of us has watched it. I will not be researching this because I am town and theme analysis is dumb anyway. I only did it last game to troll lunatic knowing he was the mod and had to watch me troll him and be helpless.
Your trolling doesn't phase me, I know you too well. Your trolling in castlevania trolled me a lil just because I was taking your arguments seriously. But that was mostly because others weren't reading the exchange and asking stuff like "Who should I go with in this wylted vs luna situation" as if the answer wasn't obvious lol.
I will say that, that2 is apparently prone to fucking up as scum if pressured early soVTL that2
Yeah I agree with this actually. After last game I'd like to get that2's claim out of the way, since it should be relatively obvious that she is scum or town based on what I just witnessed in the last game. No offense.
vtl that2user.
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