The Sopranos Mafia Endgame

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Oh boy...

Mafia wins

Alright, this is probably going to be the longest endgame post I made because there are multiple factors that I want to point out in here. One being my own fault and one being from others own fault. Granted this will probably go over the heads, I am still pretty ready to bear the heat of this shit storm coming my way for how poorly this game went.

The first issue was that I made some last-minute changes to the game that gave the town too much power. My original setup was going to be Role Cop + Godfather with the abilities of Strongman, Framer, Ninja where scum would know the entire setup and which roles were in the game. I tweaked the setup last minute and did not think twice about it because I thought this game mafia way too much of an advantage, hence allowing more of a lopsided setup than I initially imagined. The OG setup had two vanillas, which could help balance Backup and Motivators' powers a bit and would inherently draw suspicion. Thus the balance got thrown into wack.

About the setup, I wanted to make the game with fewer “role confirmed” metrics as possible. I still had one but again, this was insanely swingy and unfortunately the game was way to swingy than I thought. I also am known for having a “Supa” meta for how the mechanics of my game are. I really tried to avoid this aspect so I tried some different approaches for what we think about the game versus just meta-analyzing. I also made a pretty bad assumption that most people have seen The Sopranos to so we can have a good mix of theme and behavior. This was way wrong. I also haven’t made a game since like 2022. I was definitely rusty making this game and wasn’t the best.

This is the part where I am going to 100% take blame. The inconsistency with PM’s. I honestly don’t know how it became like that since I usually tend to stay firm. The biggest one was the Motivator mechanic. I was pretty strict on the time constraint in this game and if you didn’t get an action your action would be voided, which happened to That2. Still should have probably clarified this. The biggest grievance I made was the Dreamer. This is 100% my fault. The dreamer is usually 1 out of 3 people are scum. I originally told this to Casey but made a mistake with Wylted. Idk why I did, maybe dyslexia. But yeah that was a big mistake IMO and that was 100% on me. Now onto the bodyguard. My interpretation of the strongman with a bodyguard that I stated DP1 was that if the strongman kills the target of the bodyguard, it counts as 2 kills. This is wrong according to the official sources. I never used this mechanic before and by the time I realized it, I already told scum team it was worth 2. This is a major fuck up and I apologize for this. Overall I think I kind of got in over my head with mechanics and didn’t think too much about the hypotheticals. I also know I did some walking back on a few things, but honestly I think this is me trying to save face but that all went down the shitter

Now, despite this, I still don’t think that this was 100% on me. For one, I think mafia should have ninja’d Pie easily. This would’ve been the optimal play as even then, with 2 protectors the best case scenario is you just kill the BG if he targets your victim. I also think town rushed DP3 a bit earlier and didn’t let time to contrast That2’s claim which I mean cmon, jumping the gun that early is kind of crazy, especially for some players that knew I messed up on a few things.

So yeah, this game was kind of a disaster. Arguably the worse game I’ve ever modded. Hell it might even break my FMAB Mafia game. Just an overall disaster on my end that I will take a lot, if not all, the responsibility for. I think I’m just going to stick to an archived setup I had in 2022 and I think now that the modding rust has faded, I am probably a lot better for the next game I do decide host (not for a while as I am going 3 week trip to Europe in Mid May)

With that, I am ready for the lashings that I will getting.

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Casey - You are Tony Soprano
Tony Soprano is the boss of the New Jersey crime family, constantly torn between his responsibilities as a leader and his personal struggles. His dreams are among the most surreal and revealing aspects of the series, frequently serving as premonitions about betrayal, danger, and the true nature of those around him. Whether it’s his dream of Big Pussy as a talking fish foreshadowing his betrayal or his visions of Christopher’s guilt, Tony’s subconscious often exposes hidden truths before he fully realizes them. These dreams are not always clear, but they offer valuable insight into the people in his life. While Tony may not always understand their meaning, they provide him with an edge over his enemies. Because of this, you are the 1x Dreamer. One night, you can receive visions of three players, one of whom is guaranteed to be Mafia (but you won’t know which one). You win with Town.

That2User - You are Dr. Jennifer Melfis a stabilizing force when his rage and anxiety threaten to consume him. One of her most defining moments comes after she is attacked and contemplates using Tony as a weapon of revenge, but she ultimately resists, choosing to uphold her ethics. She represents a rare source of healing in Tony’s world, providing protection in a way that few others can. While she does not wield physical power, her presence can be the difference between destruction and survival. Because of this, you are the Doctor. Each night you can choose one player to save from being killed. You win with Town.

WyIted - You are Silvio Dante
Silvio is Tony’s trusted consigliere, known for his unwavering loyalty and ability to keep things under control when tensions rise. He is one of the most competent members of the family, frequently stepping in to enforce discipline, protect Tony, and maintain stability. His defining moment as a protector is when he takes Adriana for a “ride” after her betrayal, ensuring that she does not become a threat to the family. Even as the world around Tony crumbles, Silvio remains by his side until he himself is taken out of action. He is the closest thing Tony has to a true shield against those who wish to harm him. Because of this, you are the Bodyguard. Each night you can choose to guard a player; if they are attacked, you will die in their place. You win with Town.

Earth - You are Carmela Soprano.
Carmela is Tony’s wife, fully aware of his criminal lifestyle yet unwilling to give up the luxuries and security it provides. She struggles with her guilt but ultimately stays because of the power and influence her marriage grants her. Despite not being directly involved in the mob, she knows how to push people in the right direction to get what she wants, whether it’s pressuring an administrator to admit Meadow into college or convincing Tony to buy her an expensive home. Carmela excels at making people act, using a mix of charm, guilt, and strategic persuasion. Those around her find themselves taking action because of her influence, often to her benefit. Because of this, you are the Motivator. Each night you can target another player, allowing them to perform their action twice the following night. You win with Town.
Whiteflame - You are Christopher Moltisanti.
Christopher is Tony’s volatile but ambitious protégé, always seeking approval while battling his personal demons. His paranoia and desperation to prove himself often lead him to closely monitor those around him, trying to stay one step ahead of potential threats. A crucial moment in his story is when he grows suspicious of Adriana’s behavior and begins tracking her movements, ultimately leading to the discovery of her connection to the FBI. His constant fear of betrayal forces him to pay close attention to what others are doing, even when he struggles to fully process the implications. His sharp instincts and ability to follow others make him a dangerous observer. Because of this, you are the Tracker. Each night you can pick one person and see who they visited. You win with Town.

Moozer - You are Bobby Baccalieri.
Bobby is one of the more reserved and good-natured members of the Soprano crew, preferring a quieter life with his family over the violence that defines his colleagues. Unlike many of his peers, he is reluctant to engage in criminal acts, even avoiding committing murder until later in the series when Tony forces his hand. He remains a background figure in many of the larger conflicts, not playing a significant role in the power struggles between New Jersey and New York. His lack of ambition and relative innocence compared to the rest of the family make him one of the least dangerous members of the crew. Without any particular influence or control over events, he remains an observer in the grand scheme of things. Because of this, you are the Vanilla.You have no special abilities other than voting in the day phase. You win with Town.

iLikePie5- You are Paulie Walnuts.
Paulie is one of the most cunning and resourceful members of the Soprano crew, always ensuring he stays close to power. While he is fiercely loyal to Tony, he also constantly maneuvers himself into positions of importance, making sure he remains indispensable. When members of the crew fall, Paulie is quick to step in and take on their responsibilities, as seen when he assumes more power after the deaths of Big Pussy, Ralph Cifaretto, and others. His ability to adapt and fill gaps within the organization makes him one of the most resilient figures in the family. He never lets an opportunity pass him by, always looking out for his own best interests while staying within the family structure. Because of this, you are the Backup. You inherit the role of the first Town player to die. You win with Town.

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Lunatic - You are Phil LeotardoPhil Leotardo is the ruthless boss of the New York crime family, known for his deep grudges and relentless pursuit of revenge against Tony and New Jersey. His hatred for Tony stems from the murder of his brother, leading him to orchestrate a brutal and unforgiving war against the Soprano family. Despite his aggression, he is careful in how he operates, maintaining a level of protection that makes it difficult for law enforcement or rivals to directly target him. His strategic approach allows him to evade consequences while orchestrating the downfall of his enemies from a position of power. Even in his final moments, he believes himself untouchable, underestimating his adversaries until it is too late. Because of this, you are the Godfather. You appear as Town to ALL investigative roles. You win with Mafia.

Bullish - You are Butchie DeConcini
Butchie is Phil Leotardo’s right-hand man, serving as his enforcer and strategist in the war against New Jersey. While Phil operates on pure vengeance, Butchie is more pragmatic, gathering intelligence and making calculated decisions to ensure the success of the New York family. He is the one who advises Phil throughout their conflict with Tony, ensuring that their moves are well-informed and effective. One of his most significant moments comes when he ultimately betrays Phil, recognizing that continuing the war is not in his best interest. His keen ability to assess situations and determine who holds power makes him a dangerous asset. Because of this, you are the Role Cop. Each night you can investigate one person to learn their role. You win with Mafia.

Mafia are also given two abilities they can use during the night phase. They can be used whenever, but only one can be used.

Strongman - negates ALL protective roles.
Ninja - does not appear on watcher or tacker reports.

The theme split is that you are in the New York Crime Family. I will not give you specific fake claims but I will give you hints about the game
1. I would stay away from claiming anyone in the DiMeo Crime Family. Try to look for characters outside that specific group of characters
2. The setup has no cop. There are multiple protective roles as well. This game has a role known as a Backup, where the player inherits the first town player to die. Do with this info as you must.
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Do yall think I would have won if wylted didn't die
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You guys should have no lynched on DP3 to clear up some of the POE. The double kill and that2 being motivated would have had me on their lynch train as well, despite me thinking bullish was the final scum after lunatics flip
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Now, despite this, I still don’t think that this was 100% on me. For one, I think mafia should have ninja’d Pie easily. 
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Regardless, still would have been fvcked by the multiple protection roles. We could counter one of 4 power roles, not to mention a back up existed and a fvcking motivator to boot. Town really has no excuse to lose this one besides the questionable mod decisions. 
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Do yall think I would have won if wylted didn't die
I don’t see how. If you kept Casey alive, you’d have to convince whoever else was left that the Dreamer result they got was fake. If you killed Casey, the flip would have put you right in the crosshairs.
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the thing about godfather and rolecop is that they were both useless, lol. 

We were told that god father would show up as [town], [redacted], [town] on the report, which is literally negative utility cause it confirms 2 town without the town needing to commit to a lynch. 

rolecop was useless because there was nothing we could do with that info anyway. Like OK so we know that2 is doc, now what. We can't roleblock them or interfere with them in anyway.
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If that2 gets lynch anyway I would have NK'd earth. Then casey would have to choose to lynch between me and wylted. Casey said wylted was still in their PoE.
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If that2 gets lynch anyway I would have NK'd earth. Then casey would have to choose to lynch between me and wylted. Casey said wylted was still in their PoE.
That’s right, WyIted would still have been alive. Possible, then. Not sure if you had another shot of your Strongman, but WyIted could have protected Earth. Then you’d have been fucked.
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Why did you say to Earth I got the motivator power in n2 when I got it in n1?
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Anyways im done beating this dead horse. 
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I never said that. You got in N1. Whiteflame got it N2

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In NP1, I asked Vader that if I targeted That2 that they would get a bonus action NP2, and Vader responded in the affirmative. I asked Vader to confirm this, but I also can imagine that Vader sent the "you got a bonus action message" NP2. -Earth

I would be pissed of That2 received an action NP1 because that is contrary to what Vader told me. -Earth
Did you not say these things to Earth?
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This was never asked. The mechanic of the role itself is for the same day, not the next day
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Ok not never asked, but it was for DP1 asking
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I am in confusion, wtf happened, who fucked up? 
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“2) Mafia were not given fake claims but were given a hint about what to not claim. Mafia were also given a hint on a role that does not and does exist in this game”


2. The setup has no cop. There are multiple protective roles as well. This game has a role known as a Backup, where the player inherits the first town player to die. Do with this info as you must.



More evidence of bastard lol
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I think I might get it.

Earth asked if you got a multi-shot of your role NP1. Vader told him he didn't. Earth took that as his role failing somehow, but his role only grants the extra shot the next NP, so he asked the wrong question.
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See above, do I have that right?
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And if I target That2, they will get a bonus action NP2?
And you said "Correct".
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One other thing to bear in mind. The way this is written:

Because of this, you are the GodfatherYou appear as Town to ALL investigative roles. You win with Mafia.
suggests the existence of multiple town alignment-investigating roles. I think your aim was to state that it affects a variety of roles, but when you say "ALL investigative roles," that suggests that it affects different roles that are present in this game. I think that's part of the reason Casey saw his flip as demonstrative of the existence of a Cop.
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One other thing to bear in mind. The way this is written:

Because of this, you are the GodfatherYou appear as Town to ALL investigative roles. You win with Mafia.
suggests the existence of multiple town alignment-investigating roles. I think your aim was to state that it affects a variety of roles, but when you say "ALL investigative roles," that suggests that it affects different roles that are present in this game. I think that's part of the reason Casey saw his flip as demonstrative of the existence of a Cop.
He did tell us that it didn’t counter tracker/ watcher. Which means that literally the only point of it was to counter dreamer. In which case the dreamer shouldn’t have caught both mafia anyway, so basically he could have just made me a goon, as my role was literally pointless.
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I will when I get home 
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Wild game. I get what people are saying about me rushing to a lynch DP3, and I should have waited, but tbh I think the town was fucked regardless. I genuinely could not think of any other way that there could have been two NKs, and even if That2 somehow came up with the correct explanation, I wouldn't have bought it anyway. I also thought that late Doctor claim after Wylted's BG flip was sus anyway.
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What was the point of killing Pie first btw? He wasn't widely townread; kind of the opposite, in fact. 
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I believed he was the most likely tony soprano given all the softclaims.