Lemming

@#1

Heh, I've thought of that before,

Even unintentionally such an occurrence 'could happen,

If a former president served one of the various offices in the line of ascension, and the people all above them ended up dying,

Maybe a former President simply couldn't serve in on e of the line of succession offices?

But I assume, but don't know that the former 2 term president would simply be passed over in the ascension choosing.

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I don't 'think it's all that common for former Presidents to serve political offices after being President.

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Would Trump 'accept being number two to Vance?

@zedvictor4

I agree that whether it is intelligent or not, humans often develop and imbed in their societies various unhealthy technology.

Like lead pipes, or plastic maybe.

Some actions are hard to take back, like Chernobyl.

@NobodyInParticular

I wonder who has the most credits on DART.

@#1491

So long as the AI are not people, yes.

I view AI as 'currently still being very much simple tools.

Though I think they 'could be more in the future.

Humans have so much information encoded in their genes, and have developed into variable creatures, more variable than some organisms that just eat and sit in the sun.

Though food and sun is nice. And even such organisms whether chicken or plants, are still rather variable and doing 'somethings.

And I suppose AI can be very 'good at certain tasks, better than many humans.

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Some fighting video games have AI editors, where you can edit or randomize how Custom Fighters fight.

Some people seem to like gambling toys such as Card Game Packs, Gacha game, Lootboxes,

Well, 'some people, lot of it is probably just corporate greed.

But I imagine there'll be a business someday for randomized one of a kind unique AI products.

Contrast 10 shades of Orange with 10 shades of Blue,

One will see the differences between Orange and Blue,

Contrast 10 shades of Orange amongst themselves, or 10 shades of Blue amongst themselves,

And one see's the differences in Oranges, the differences in Blues.

I've never been much impressed by an argument I've heard now and then, that if everyone is blended homogeneous, strife will disappear.

Though I suppose it 'might be lessened.

But I think humans are quick to pick up on differences,

While someone who grew up among Xs, might think all Y's look alike, but this is because they grey up among Xs,

The Y's don't think they look alike, though they might think the X's look alike,

But this is because each group grew up and learned to identify the small differences.

I suppose if human features 'changed frequently, that might be an option, like with those skin genes that can changes a persons skin color,

But no, I think there would still be differences, frequency of change, depth, amount, how they walk, talk,

The homogeneous argument is to change everything that even 'defines one.

It's becomes a parody 'rejection of individuality.

Though 'again, I think uniformity 'can have a 'degree of effect.

Perhaps lessen gut 'depth of ingroup and outgroup reactions,

But even if an individual were cloned, and all the clones similarly trained,

Not being a 'single individual, I think differences would be noted and created, strifed upon.

And even an individual alone, perhaps strifes upon themself.

. . . That or 'creates Wilson's to strife with.

@#6

From that movie I'd probably pick Moses yeah, though Frollo has the strength of standing as a more original creation maybe.

Though Frollo 'was in the book, Disney changed his character a fair bit, making Disney him, rather original to Disney.

Also very different characters, the people who like Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader better, are prizing different qualities in their judgements.

I've never tried a white noise machine before,

I've heard some people use white noise machines for meditation.

Though I've also heard some models can be too loud and ear damaging if left on too long.

I find some music nice to fall asleep to,

So long as it turns off before my alarm goes off, though if one doesn't have a worry about when to wake up, not a problem I guess.

Some people like music without lyrics that they can study to, music setting them at ease in a groove, while lyrics might pull away too much of their brain I suppose.

Had a clock once that would tick tick tick, didn't enjoy 'that when trying to sleep.

I dislike frog, crickets, and cicada noises,

But 'maybe a 'soft water sound could be nice.

I wonder if anyone has elected a chatbot as a government official before?

Perhaps a government official who pledges to only do whatever the chatbot tells him to do?

I never did visit Hawaii, no.

After training, I ended up on land on the east coast for the rest of the time I was in.

Really got me to love that line in Stairway to Heaven "There's a feeling I get when I look to the west",

Felt good to get back to Oregon.

I'd agree on tradition,

I also think people also like being willful and free at times. Make their own choices, autonomy, self government and all that.

Backseat drivers can be a pain, whether driving, gaming, or running one's country.

Besides, one doesn't always 'know the situation will get better, and a person who finds it acceptable to force their ways, comes off a bit untrustworthy.

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I don't know much about Hawaii's Monarchy and divisions of power.

Some countries seem fairly happy with monarchs, even in the modern era.

The British still have a monarchy after all.

And some groups might choose monarchy as a way of attempting to unite their people against outgroup encroachment, like the Māori King movement - Wikipedia.

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I wonder if there 'would still be human sacrifice in the Aztec area, had it been left alone,

Human sacrifice has been in the history of. . . About 'everywhere I 'think, maybe, mostly, during certain time periods.

Course I suppose societies don't 'have to all evolve the same ways,

May be be a lot of societies 'real strange to us, if they all evolved in isolation into the space age.

I've never really thought beyond self soothing as a reason for people to eat when depressed,

But after thinking on it, depressed people are sometimes partially depressed by bad nutrition, so at times a desire to eat could also be there as a way for the body to try to get certain vitamins that the individual might be low on.

Though if a person just eats junk food and not enough of the needed nutrition, I imagine the individual is more likely to stay depressed.

Course one 'can be happy even with bad nutrition, or unhappy even with good nutrition.

Like fi're, hell 'fi're, this fi're in my skin.

Catchy song.

Might have been better off going with animated religious characters than Disney, I can't 'think of all that many explicitly religious Disney characters.

I think Kekata, the long haired old guy in Pocahontas, is a shaman. Has some good lines, but I'd put Friar Tuck above him, Friar Tuck just had a lot of energy and a fight scene.

I agree with you ranking Frollo number 1 though, has a lot of screen time, lot of character and impact, has a good song, has a sword swinging scene.

@7000series

Possession is 9/10th of the law as they say.

I think war and force to be immoral, generally speaking. 'Even if current living conditions end up better, doesn't mean people wish to accept such.

I imagine I could turn my life choices over to various people, and I might end up with more money, more health. . . But bah to that I say, I want to live my life.

Course 'now Hawaii is populated by many non original inhabitants, and the original inhabitants have grown up used to the situation.

If I (Of this instant) was in a similar situation as Hawaii was back then, I wouldn't want to forcefully annex another country.

Take Greenland or Canada for instance.

. . . Though I admit pragmatism has a sense of logic and value to it.

@Sidewalker

The annexation of Hawaii is unpopular with me, though now I consider it too late.

Same as I don't really care for how America took the West and Texas, but too late now.

I'm neutral about Hawaii being a state, with some leaning towards tradition, it's been a state a while, just leave it a state,

Though I suppose it 'is very small.

I think presidents, including Biden and Trump sign 'too 'many documents, to be able to remember each individual case.

No, though on another hand I don't time myself. So maybe.

I think you have a point, but I'm not sure what the real life 'luck examples would be.

People also might like being able to use items, when 'they have them, or 'might have them someday.

In the military some people thought that certain higher ups would fudge their evaluations of people, ingroup loyalty to those one worked with.

'Ideally one would not do that, and I assume without evidence that 'most people don't fudge their evaluations.

Course a 'lot of the evaluation stuff was garbage, where they made you write up a report of all your 'accomplishments, X many hours doing this or that, this or that 'Voluntold activity.

It was garbage because 'most everyone would do such, and even those that 'don't do more, they would get upset at your for not trying to hype up average actions.

I suppose AI could monitor, evaluate, and recommend. Ideally only being designed with bias that we approved of, thought objective and observing of ability.

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I knew a coworker who I think worked as hard as me, but I'd make sure to do my work where more visible, other coworkers thought the other guy was lazy,

Didn't think so myself.

There's some phrase people often used that I forget, something ah, "Perception is reality" that's it.

Never liked that phrase, people ought to increase their perception and understanding of reality, than to excuse their lazy eyesight or thinking.

But a useful phrase in understanding outcomes with other people, and what one needs do to improve one's outcomes.

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The environment one is born to is luck I suppose,

But I doubt you want to go the Plato Republic route.

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I think people like supporting their tribe,

The ability to support one's tribe and tribes interest close to home, and 'keep one's territory is valued.

So one 'accepts red shells existence to an extent.

Then again you say,

So assumably there would be no situations where we can be fooled by pretenders.

But then again you say,

So there is 'still the problem of skepticism and identifying what type of being one is dealing with.

Some people still have faith in various Xs, even in unknowable ends, hard or even contrary times.

The X is of such value, such as family,

The rewards are tempting, whether selfish or selfless rewards,

Sometimes what else 'is there but to hold on and keep going.

@Best.Korea is not active

Vader has a fair number of debates on this site, I don't think he is a debate run away.

At this time I do not think your debate or forum thread should be removed,

If I read them more deeply it is 'possible I would change my mind,

As said earlier, comes close to the line.

If reported and mods saw something questionable, a temporary locking of the thread is entirely reasonable, as the matter is further investigated.

DART 'does have guidelines and rules of conduct.

If I were him I would simply not read them, as I would not view them as from 'you.

I think laws 'can be questioned on this site,

I think much of the problem is the reputation you have built yourself on this site, and 'how you question.

@#53

I feared they might be from AI.

I think some people, myself included, are more on this site to engage with 'people.

Though sources such as articles, videos, quotes 'can be interesting.

A spamming of 500 generated AI arguments, doesn't sound much effort or 'thought.

It's a grabbing of handful of books one has not read, and tossing them at another person.

I don't think it's structured, I don't think it's an authentic desire to connect to another person, to truly 'look at them and their ideas and exchange views.

Though arguably it 'could be.

Some people will have AI translate another's arguments, will write their own, will have AI edit their arguments, will then personally edit the AI's edit.

Some people preform better in some mediums than others, some prefer writing, time, and some distance, as opposed to voice or video chats.

And I suppose one can argue a copying and pasting of AI arguments to be efforts,

But it is not the type of effort/action that some of us prefer.

I don't think you should be banned for your child consent thread or debate,

But then starting at #15 you posted a number of times, insulting another and 'asking to be banned.

I'd support a ban for a number of 'those posts.

I didn't read your arguments about consent,

As I have a hard time telling when you are serious about a subject or not.

I don't think the Mods are wrong for temporarily locking the thread and deliberating whether you should be banned,

As Savant says, comes close to the line.

Though I would oppose a permanent locking, or if you were banned for 'that thread or your debate.

World's a big place, though even in 'regions, to find an entire 'century without conflict, I might have some difficulty.

@n8nrgim ##3

I'd rather people big into Socialism, apply it to themselves if they admire it so.

I don't 'think Groups/Cities/States are disallowed from setting up organizations that they pay taxes to, and then are by that organization are provided Health Care or Food.

I 'do think it would be more advantageous for communities to be more 'communities, interact, plan, and act together.

Have shelters, buy up 30 years of food for the group and eat or donate it over time as they replace the food.

I suspect villages are better for the human condition than cities.

Dunbar's number is a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships.

@IlDiavolo #17

My view is America stopped using gold because of nefarious government stealing it from it's citizens in overreach.

Never really thought much about why other countries might not use gold.

I think gun control in America, is likely only to occur in incremental national law, and incremental sections of country.

America is big on freedom, and many of us like our guns, so I imagine it might go back and forth a while.

Though maybe some environments, such as more urbanization, will result in more of the population leaning against guns over time.

Some places, such as Japan, being more class based and I assume less freedom than America, might have made it easier for various governments to control the weapons.

I am also reminded of something Ursula K. Le Guin wrote of America.

I would imagine, but not know, that the intent of some swastika spray painting, is to paint X people as Nazis.

Bit ironic, given that the Nazis forced a number of Jews to wear yellow stars of David, to identify them as Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge

Not that I think X people are or are not similar to Nazis.

Though I'd view it as a 'bad irony for the spray painters, why emulate Nazi dehumanization of others, or the breaking of windows of those one disagrees with?

Because they have a large number of votes on debates.

I think some terms such as awareness or intelligence, have sort of dual meanings, that complicate their use at times.

I think we strive to challenge our intellectual superiority, because AI is a potential power, whether economical or military.

Can't let other people have that power and not ourselves, says companies and governments.

If we designed an AI to go through the motions of hunting, tracking, killing, cooking, and even eating by turning it into energy somehow.

I think there still wouldn't be a 'person,

A trap in the sea, mechanically is laying in wait hunting crabs,

A campfire consumes wood for energy.

Though in a 'sense an AI could hunt or feel,

In another sense, I don't think it would,

Current AI anyhow.

The crab trap catches 'anything, even boots,Even were it designed to spit out the boots,

To me it is not much more than square goes in the square hole, triangle goes in the triangle hole.

There still needs be something more, though I'm still not sure 'specifically what/where/amount/how.

@#38

I don't know.

@#1

I've never been able to satisfy myself as to what Consciousness or Qualia is.

Some people argue 'everything feels, even a stone, but in a way removed.

Some argue it's a series of tiered moments when something transforms into something else, that moment when the water tension in an overflowing cup of water flows over.

Some think it has something to do with chemicals, I don't know, there are multiple paths to ends at times.

We all know what Descartes theorized about animals.

A stone looks rather unfeeling to me,A severed hand I'd imagine unfeeling, barring Osmosis Jones.

Though a hand is 'living, even disembodied.Helen Keller interested me, in relation to the Floating Man of Ibn Sina, but in the end there 'was something fed into her, something experienced, 'without such, I imagine the person fades until lost or lessened. As humans raised feral too long, people with brain disease, or just the experience of death.

AI and animal experimentation bothers me because I 'can't tell when it begins, If enslaving humans is wrong, why would we try to 'create mutilated lesser intelligences? . . Or Mutilated greater intelligences, of course mutilated assumes our own baseline.

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My take is machines are even less than animals mimicking.

A robot crocodiles tears mean even less emotionally than a regular crocodiles tears.

An AI Chatbot with 'anxiety, might do better with it's 'anxiety by using a breathing exercise, because it is designed to 'mimic humans,

It's like AI 'art, it's just taking online examples and copying them,Online information says humans feel better with breathing exercises.

If a person wants red and yellow art, the AI pulls up examples and mashes it together,If a person wants a human like AI to talk to, the AI pulls up examples of humans online and mashes it together.

I think there is a lot of game theory in the psychology of how organisms act and decide,

. . . Course on a different hand, I don't 'really understand AI science, it's basically brain surgery or rocket science to me.

And a robot crocodile could probably be programmed more advanced, so that it's tears would actually 'mean the Robot is going to 'act in some certain way, though I still don't think it 'feels.

You already made this thread, less than a week ago.

An achievement, a milestone.

I agree with Swagnarok, that it's easy to fall into a low effort routine,

But it's not so bad, so long as one has a job and keeps acquiring money and items of value to fall back on in later years.

At least silence and signs don't interrupt a speaker, I suppose.

Bit like video captions I suppose, easy to tune in or tune out to signs, I'd 'think, but maybe visual clash can be more disruptive than I assume.

How so?

Why aren't there more transcripts of stuff on the TV?

And 'so much information behind paywalls, no wonder misinformation abounds.

Just because X is fought in war, doesn't make said war a genocide against X.

Well, I wouldn't call it a 'purely 'peaceful democratic uprising.

Maybe the guy shouldn't have fled the country.

Still, 'sounds a  fair point in #134 in what you say constitutional requirement for impeachment were.

What made this illegal?

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Many of the separatist attempters happened to be ethnically Russian,

Ukraine fighting them does not make it ethnic cleansing.

Sounds to me like self later on when Russia invaded, all with Russia claiming Nazis, Nazis everywhere.

The war in Donbas?

I get the sense, that you're being contrary just to be contrary,

Mentioning Iran or North Korea's 'strength compared to America, to me, comes off a bit absurd.

I think I'll pass on conversation with you for now.

@#117

I thought we were specifically talking about thieves?

More broadly, Ukraine is practicing self defense, I'd say.

America and Europe has past agreements with Ukraine.

And an interest against such aggressions.

I do not consider Russia 10 times stronger than America.

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I think Russia is doing worse in Ukraine than America.

I think Russia is worried about Ukraine war costs.

As Vietnam shows, territory on a map, isn't everything in war.

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If you think Hamas are better people than America, well, I'll pass on discussing it.

I do not think Trump will be able to invade Canada or Greenland, he is not Dictator.

@Greyparrot #113

For Japan, possibly.

Moreso when one considers their knowledge of the situation at the time.

I do not blame Britain for resisting Hitler,

I do not blame Japan for resisting the Allies, to gain better peace terms.

@#102

Not if not attacking them, leads to them being everywhere.

It is also a common understanding between law abiding individuals in a community, to aid each other against thieves.

One must perform necessary upkeep to alliances.

Thus attacking thieves is often a must.

(Though not 'always)

@Best.Korea #99

I think honor among thieves can be shaky, and thus working with thieves is better avoided.

@WyIted #100

For 'me, a 'large part is Realpolitik, yes.

I dislike drafting American lives or wallets into moral crusades.

Some Realpolitik world situations are 'similar to moral crusades, but are not completely so.

Wanting to hold other nations to 'degrees of honor and morality, I think has value in stability and reducing possible damage to America.

I view Total War or a lack of the Geneva Convention being commonly practiced by other countries for instance,

As bad for America, because it could be used against our troops.

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I don't care for 'all European laws or practices,

But it is a matter of taking and encouraging what values one 'can in others.

American actions in the past and current is often not 'ideal,

We have had the draft before, have invaded other countries, propped up Dictators before, have had less than ideal civic situations during wartime.

But I think we try, and should 'continue trying to improve.

Both for practical and moral reasons.