AI self consciousness

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AI is not an emulation of human conversation.
Can you explain? To my understanding, and I it understand quite a bit, it certainly is. I'll need something more than just hearing your stance to convince me otherwise.


This statement is accurate; while AI can be designed to mimic certain aspects of human conversation, it does not truly emulate the full complexity and nuances of human interaction, lacking the depth of understanding, emotions, and context that are fundamental to human communication.
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Currently Shila, currently.

As I continue to point out, human intellectual development is 2 million or so years in the making.

AI less than 100 years.

Give it time.
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Currently Shila, currently.

As I continue to point out, human intellectual development is 2 million or so years in the making.

AI less than 100 years.

Give it time.
Allowing AI to replace human intelligence seems counterproductive and counterintuitive.
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What humans thought was depth, was actually width. The "depth" of the human soul, therefore will be replaced by the growing expanse of the internet. Yet what's actually happening is that the soul isn't simply replaced, but transformed—its boundaries extended outward, scattered across an infinite digital plane. Rather than one private, deep well, human identity becomes a mosaic of interactions, data points, shared consciousness.
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What humans thought was depth, was actually width. The "depth" of the human soul, therefore will be replaced by the growing expanse of the internet. Yet what's actually happening is that the soul isn't simply replaced, but transformed—its boundaries extended outward, scattered across an infinite digital plane. Rather than one private, deep well, human identity becomes a mosaic of interactions, data points, shared consciousness.
What about those that don5 have access to the internet?
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Allowing AI to replace human intelligence seems counterproductive and counterintuitive.
Well, that would depend upon the greater purpose of intelligence I suppose...If there is such a thing of course.

If not, then it doesn't really matter.

And "allowing" doesn't really seem an option, I rather think that a greater non-human intelligence will just evolve.
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I've never been able to satisfy myself as to what Consciousness or Qualia is.
Some people argue 'everything feels, even a stone, but in a way removed.
Some argue it's a series of tiered moments when something transforms into something else, that moment when the water tension in an overflowing cup of water flows over.
Some think it has something to do with chemicals, I don't know, there are multiple paths to ends at times.

We all know what Descartes theorized about animals.

A stone looks rather unfeeling to me,A severed hand I'd imagine unfeeling, barring Osmosis Jones.
Though a hand is 'living, even disembodied.Helen Keller interested me, in relation to the Floating Man of Ibn Sina, but in the end there 'was something fed into her, something experienced, 'without such, I imagine the person fades until lost or lessened. As humans raised feral too long, people with brain disease, or just the experience of death.

AI and animal experimentation bothers me because I 'can't tell when it begins, If enslaving humans is wrong, why would we try to 'create mutilated lesser intelligences? . . Or Mutilated greater intelligences, of course mutilated assumes our own baseline.
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My take is machines are even less than animals mimicking.
A robot crocodiles tears mean even less emotionally than a regular crocodiles tears.

An AI Chatbot with 'anxiety, might do better with it's 'anxiety by using a breathing exercise, because it is designed to 'mimic humans,
It's like AI 'art, it's just taking online examples and copying them,Online information says humans feel better with breathing exercises.
If a person wants red and yellow art, the AI pulls up examples and mashes it together,If a person wants a human like AI to talk to, the AI pulls up examples of humans online and mashes it together.

I think there is a lot of game theory in the psychology of how organisms act and decide,
That I can imagine us 'designing an AI in said way,
But one can read a physical paper choose your own adventure book, just because there is a description of some character reacting to your 'choices in in the story, doesn't mean there's anyone there.

. . . Course on a different hand, I don't 'really understand AI science, it's basically brain surgery or rocket science to me.
And a robot crocodile could probably be programmed more advanced, so that it's tears would actually 'mean the Robot is going to 'act in some certain way, though I still don't think it 'feels.


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Hi Lemming.

Isn't feeling just an electro-chemical process that we are subject to, and therefore process intellectually and consequently label as emotive.

A learned experience in other words...Though we also learn to think that it is more than what it is.

I don't see any reason why AI would not decide/learn to be similarly definitive. That is to say, differentiate between data groupings, relative to content, then subsequently label store and utilise them accordingly.
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Disconnect AI from the internet and it dies, it couldn't put two words together.
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And a robot crocodile could probably be programmed more advanced, so that it's tears would actually 'mean the Robot is going to 'act in some certain way, though I still don't think it 'feels.
AI could actually make a crocodile shed tears. It already does that to humans.
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Researchers have proposed that an area of the brain known as the anterior cingulate cortex located in the frontal lobe region plays an important role in developing self-awareness. Studies have also used brain imaging to show that this region becomes activated in adults who are self-aware.

The Lewis and Brooks-Gunn experiment suggests that self-awareness begins to emerge in children around the age of 18 months, an age that coincides with the rapid growth of spindle cells in the anterior cingulate cortex.

However, one study found that a patient retained self-awareness even with extensive damage to areas of the brain including the insula and the anterior cingulate cortex.

This suggests that these areas of the brain are not required for most aspects of self-awareness and that awareness may instead arise from interactions distributed among brain networks.



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I don't know.


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I don't see any reason why AI would not decide/learn to be similarly definitive. That is to say, differentiate between data groupings, relative to content, then subsequently label store and utilise them accordingly.
AI relies on a different set of algorithms.
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If we designed an AI to go through the motions of hunting, tracking, killing, cooking, and even eating by turning it into energy somehow.
I think there still wouldn't be a 'person,
A trap in the sea, mechanically is laying in wait hunting crabs,
A campfire consumes wood for energy.

Though in a 'sense an AI could hunt or feel,
In another sense, I don't think it would,
Current AI anyhow.

The crab trap catches 'anything, even boots,Even were it designed to spit out the boots,
To me it is not much more than square goes in the square hole, triangle goes in the triangle hole.
There still needs be something more, though I'm still not sure 'specifically what/where/amount/how.
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AI relies on a different set of algorithms.
That maybe so.

Are you suggesting that this is a limiting factor?

But would this necessarily always be a limiting factor?


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@Lemming
Hmmmmmmmmm.


Hi Lemming.


In simple terms, a person is a person, whereas an AI device isn't a person.

So data management systems will inevitably be different.

Though intelligence is essentially the same.

And interface doesn't directly rely upon an organic energy source anyway.

Basically we all rely upon the same energy source.


For there to be the potential for self replication, determination and development, all that is required is the development of an intelligent and dexterous device.

And this is seemingly what humans are striving to achieve. 

Which begs the question...Why do we strive to challenge our intellectual superiority?

If there were no greater purpose in doing so, wouldn't it be intellectually prudent to rest upon our laurels?



In the previous Universe, was GOD an organic device or an alternative?

Free floating, pre-programmed seeds of intelligence, in the newly emergent universal system, just waiting for a suitable place to germinate.

Just a thought.


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I think some terms such as awareness or intelligence, have sort of dual meanings, that complicate their use at times.

I think we strive to challenge our intellectual superiority, because AI is a potential power, whether economical or military.
Can't let other people have that power and not ourselves, says companies and governments.
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Maybe so.

Perhaps only a short term gain though, whilst whosoever is best able to maintain dominion over AI.

My musings tend to consider more, the longer term developments of an AI dominated world.

But let's be honest, younger generations of the  human race are already  slaves to technology.

In fact, if electronic technology was switched off tomorrow, human systems would come to a standstill.

Maybe eventually, AI  will see little use for humans and decide to switch us off and shut us out of the loop.
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@zedvictor4
AI relies on a different set of algorithms.
That maybe so.

Are you suggesting that this is a limiting factor?

But would this necessarily always be a limiting factor?
This statement is true; while algorithms are the core building blocks for any computer program, AI specifically relies on a unique set of algorithms that allow machines to learn and adapt from data, enabling them to perform tasks that typically require human intelligence, like pattern recognition, decision-making, and learning from experience, which is distinct from traditional algorithms designed for specific, predefined tasks. 
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@Shila
Hi Shila.

Well, my knowledge on the subject is limited.

I put together thoughts, derived from things that I read, and developments that arise as a result.

With hindsight, human experience tells us that we will always exceed expectation....So who knows what will be achieved in the future.
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Hi Shila.

Well, my knowledge on the subject is limited.

I put together thoughts, derived from things that I read, and developments that arise as a result.

With hindsight, human experience tells us that we will always exceed expectation....So who knows what will be achieved in the future.
That is why America is investing billions in AI and sees it as the wave of the future. Meanwhile real intelligence is left behind.
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@Shila
I suppose so.

In so much as the notion of intelligence is a construct thereof.

Perhaps AI will give it another name.
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I suppose so.

In so much as the notion of intelligence is a construct thereof.

Perhaps AI will give it another name.
It already has replaced intelligence with AI.