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Harikrish is a Brahmin, a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures
Don't forget to add "racist asshole" and "troll to multiple boards".
I don't have control over the types found on public forums. But as a Brahmin I am required to keep my feet clean for people that may want to kiss it.
You might be aware Jesus and the Pope got the Hindu tradition backwards and kiss their followers feet.
harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
You go to great lengths to justify your racism, but you should stick to your own religion.
Harikrish is a biblical scholar and a spiritual leader.
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@Outplayz
First of all... you have no clue what "I" will go through and what will happen to me. I'm pretty conscious my man. Enough so to know that both of those sound like hell to me. Well, the repeat the cycle part is no different than me just dying and turning into nothing. That's why i don't consider reincarnation much bc it's no different than death just being an end. As to Nirvana... i know myself enough to know if that is what happens the first thing i will think or say is "fuck this i'm out." Therefore, that would not be a desirable outcome either. Now... i can't tell you that you're wrong bc i have no clue what happens after death... but what i can confidently tell you is that those two alternatives i would classify under the "hell" umbrella.But here is the thing that is so interesting to me about eastern philosophy and beliefs such as nirvana or oneness. You guys are talking about a pretty profound and interesting platform... it very well could be that platform. However, out of every mystic i've listened to, eastern teacher, or person i've met in real life... they all don't fully grasp the implications of infinity. Becoming this "infinite consciousness" ... they just don't get how it's a good idea, but they don't see the implications beyond what they want / what they are to that platform. That's interesting to me and why i hold those philosophies in higher regard than others. It's bc your side of the world has been trying to figure out the platform for years. More than any other religion and respectfully, by asking questions. I respect that... but don't for one second try to think you know who i am to this platform... bc you don't. I'm the expert in that regard.
It is true I would not know what you will return as in your next life. Nor would I recognize you if you returned as a I bug. So you are really on your own.
Harikrish is a Brahmin, a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundaméntalism.
I suspect you are an Indian and you probably know why Brahmins belonging to the priestly caste are required to keep their feet clean.
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@Mopac
Ham was blessed, he wasn't cursed. Canaan is the one who was cursed, and sure enough, his descendants are an extinct people.The Ethiopian church is one of the oldest Christian churches, and they are a people descended from the Cushites.According to what is written in Numbers chapter 12, Moses had a wife who was a Cushite, or an Ethiopian.
The bible tells us Noah was an alcoholic. He woke up in his drunken state and found out what his youngest son(Ham) had done to him. Noah got the names confused and cursed Canaan instead. Canaan was not born or in the room when the incident happened.
Genesis 9 tells us Noah and his 3 sons Seth, Japheth and Ham had just gotten off the Ark when it came to a stop. No children were with them.
The concept of the Curse of Ham finds its origins in Genesis 9:
20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, And he planted a vineyard:
21 And he drank of the wine, And was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22 And Ham, The father of Canaan, Saw the nakedness of his father, And told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, And laid it upon both their shoulders, And went backward, And covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, And they saw not their father's nakedness.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, And knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
27 God shall enlarge Japheth, And he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
" Genesis 9:20"27, King James Version
But Noah cursed Ham through his children. It was common practice then to curse people through their children. That was why Canaan was cursed.
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.
As for Moses. No one is going to say the descendants of Moses were blessed. God repeatedly punished the Jews throughout their history.
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@Outplayz
But what if my ultimate goal isn't Nirvana?
Then you will repeat the cycle of rebirths like a mouse on a threadmill.
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@Mopac
Actually, Rome without consent of the rest of the church altered the creed of faith, tried to depose bishops, and was working outside of its ecclesiastical jurisdiction. Every other Patriarch sided against them.The Roman Catholic church broke communion with us, they are the ones in error. The proof is really in examining the history of the church. The pope of Rome is not, nor ever had papal supremacy over the church, neither have they ever had the authority to alter the creed agreed on by the entire church. Altering the creed is something that in every ecumenical council that the matter was brought up, would lead to anathema.So no, there is no division. You are either Orthodox or you aren't with the church.Heterodox means other than orthodox.
What is the Orthodox position on the Curse of Ham?
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@Outplayz
consciousness and ultimate awareness is the goalIn life? Or does this have to do with the afterlife too?
It is the goal in as many cycle of lives it takes to achieve it. People are more familiar with the word Nirvana.
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@Mopac
Peter and Paul are Orthodox saints. They certainly did not "grab Peter and Paul".The Orthodox Church has been in a never ending position of being persecuted, and has even been the object of genocide. Yet despite this, it is the second largest congregation of those that go by the name Christian in the world.
If your church split with the Roman Catholic Church then there is a division in your beliefs. How is that any different from other man made institutions?
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@Mopac
Roman Cathllic church broke away from Orthodoxy over a thousand years ago because they had this crazy idea that the bishop of Rome was the king of all Christendom and could arbitrarily alter fundamentals of the faith that the entire church agreed would lead to anathema and being cut off from the church.The Anglican Church broke away from Roman Catholicism because the King didn't like being told how to conduct his married life. Methodism was inspired by the teachings of John Wesley, an Anglican priest.So Methodism is a schism of a schism of a schism.Roman Catholicism is a schismatic church.The Orthodox Catholic Church is THE Christian Church.We don't recognize denominationalism as a thing. You are either Orthodox or you are heterodox. Either with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, or with something else.
The Roman Catholic Church has over a billion Catholics. It grabbed Peter and Paul. Not much of an argument left.
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@Mopac
You are making a non point.Without closely examing even these examples for veracity, nothing after 650 AD is Orthodox.Also, yes, just as the church doesn't teach to overthrow government, we do not encourage slaves to rebel against their masters.Also, none of this has anything to with racism.
The reason for putting some Church dates in the post was to show the involvement of the Catholic Church in slavery. I basically see Catholic and Methodist as the two pillars of Christianity around which the others grew. But we have 30,000 denominations. So you might have your own area of expertise.
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@Outplayz
try not to get banned bc i want to ask you some questions. I'm going to derail this thread though if that's okay with you.Would you say Hinduism is the oldest religion?My observation of mystics from India is that they don't look at it as a religion but a way of life... would you say that's true?Would you say the most important thing is to look within and continue asking questions? I feel Hinduism has been doing that... which is good imo.Do you agree with the "everything is a manifestation of consciousness" idea?
Hinduism is definitely older than the 3 major religions Judaism, Islam and Christianity. There are several paths to God in Hinduism which is why we appear to have a God for every occasion. But it is a way of life which is based more on spirituality and transcending the physical distractions. In a nutshell it is mind over matter.
And yes, consciousness and ultimate awareness is the goal. Hinduism is the only religion that satisfies the intellectual and spiritual needs of human societies.
well done!!!
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@Fallaneze
I've seen some of your posts on the religion forum on DDO. Still the same racist lowlife you've always been.
It's called different strokes for different folks. I can be both transcendental or stoop to your level. As a man sows so shall he reap.
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@Alec
Christianity condones slavery, Hinduism condones the caste system.
I agree.
The Hinduism caste system is really a social construct and built around a division of labour.
For eg. Would you like someone who cleans sewers for a living also cook/touch your food or be your dentist where he puts his hands in your mouth?
Division of labour actually helps streamline choices. Warriors begets warriors and artisans begets artisans with some exceptions.
i am a Brahmin and come from the priestly caste. So you can and should hold me to a higher standard.
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@Snoopy
This thread has been copy and pasted.
Is that why you are called snoopy?
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@Fallaneze
It's hypocritical for Harkrish to act concerned about religious discrimination towards Africans since he himself is racist towards blacks.
Where does it say that in my posts?
Harikrish is a biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
Christianity obviously has nothing to do with the slave trade, you are making an identity fallacy by equating colonial European imperialist powers with Christianity. Also, your curse of Ham claim is a debunked argument.
CATHOLIC CHURCH TIMELINE OF CRITICAL POINTS IN HISTORY
YEAR. CHURCH’S POSITION
362 AD. The local Council at Gangra in Asia Minor excommunicates anyone encouraging a slave to despise his master or withdraw from his service. (Became part of Church Law from the 13th to 20th centuries).
354- 430 AD. St. Augustine teaches that the institution of slavery derives from God and is beneficial to slaves and masters.
650 AD. Pope Martin I condemns people who teach slaves about freedom or who encourage them to escape.
1179 AD. The Third Lateran Council imposes slavery on those helping the Saracens.
1226 AD. The legitimacy of slavery is incorporated in the Corpus Iuris Canonici, promulgated by Pope Gregory IX which remained official law of the Church until 1913. Canon lawyers worked out four “just titles” for holding slaves: slaves captured in war, persons condemned to slavery for a crime; persons selling themselves into slavery, including a father selling his child; children of a mother who is a slave.
1224- 1274 AD. St.Thomas Aquinas defends slavery as instituted by God in punishment for sin, and justified as being part of the ‘right of nations’ and natural law. Children of a slave mother are rightly slaves even though they have not committed personal sin!
1452 AD. Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas on 18 June, 1452. It authorizes (King) Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any “Saracens (Muslims) and pagans and any other unbelievers to perpetual slavery.
The same pope wrote the bull Romanus Pontifex on January 5, 1455 to the same Alfonso. As a follow-up to the Dum diversas, it extended to the Catholic nations of Europe dominion over discovered lands during the Age of Discovery. Along with sanctifying the seizure of non-Christian lands, it encouraged the enslavement of native, non-Christian peoples in Africa and the New World.
1493 AD. Pope Alexander VI authorizes the King of Spain to enslave non-Christians of the Americas who are at war with Christian powers.
1494 AD. Pope Alexander VI, in the 1494 Treaty of Tordesillas, divides the known New World between the two countries. As there was a need to locate a group to work in areas where the supply of indigenous labor was insufficient, to sustain their colonies, Spain and Portugal imported Africans.
1500- 1850 AD. Twelve million Africans arrived in the Americas to toil as slaves. The vast majority of these slaves worked in the Catholic colonies of Spain and Portugal
1548 AD. Pope Paul III confirms the right of clergy and laity to own slaves
1866 AD. Pope Pius IX declares:
Slavery itself, considered as such in its essential nature, is not at all contrary to the natural and divine law, and there can be several just titles of slavery, and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons … It is not contrary to the natural and divine law for a slave to be sold, bought, exchanged or given”.
1888 AD Pope Leo XIII condemns slavery in more general terms, and supports the anti-slavery movement.
1918 AD. The new Code of Canon Law promulgated by Pope Benedictus XV condemns ‘selling any person as a slave’. (There is no condemnation of ‘owning’ slaves, however, and that was viewed as an entirely distinct issue at the time!).
1965 AD. The Second Vatican Council defends basic human rights and denounces all violations of human integrity, including slavery (Gaudium et Spes, no 27,29,67).
Table prepared by John Wijngaards, with data from: J.F.Maxwell,
The Development of Catholic Doctrine concerning Slavery
World Jurist 11 (1969-70) pp. 147-192 and 291-324.
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@Mopac
wrong for me to identify this to Roman Catholicism as well, since you seem to equate European Imperialist powers to Christianity.Wasn't Enland Anglican by this time anyway?
CATHOLIC CHURCH TIMELINE OF CRITICAL POINTS IN HISTORY
YEAR. CHURCH’S POSITION
362 AD. The local Council at Gangra in Asia Minor excommunicates anyone encouraging a slave to despise his master or withdraw from his service. (Became part of Church Law from the 13th to 20th centuries).
354- 430 AD. St. Augustine teaches that the institution of slavery derives from God and is beneficial to slaves and masters.
650 AD. Pope Martin I condemns people who teach slaves about freedom or who encourage them to escape.
1179 AD. The Third Lateran Council imposes slavery on those helping the Saracens.
1226 AD. The legitimacy of slavery is incorporated in the Corpus Iuris Canonici, promulgated by Pope Gregory IX which remained official law of the Church until 1913. Canon lawyers worked out four “just titles” for holding slaves: slaves captured in war, persons condemned to slavery for a crime; persons selling themselves into slavery, including a father selling his child; children of a mother who is a slave.
1224- 1274 AD. St.Thomas Aquinas defends slavery as instituted by God in punishment for sin, and justified as being part of the ‘right of nations’ and natural law. Children of a slave mother are rightly slaves even though they have not committed personal sin!
1452 AD. Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas on 18 June, 1452. It authorizes (King) Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any “Saracens (Muslims) and pagans and any other unbelievers to perpetual slavery.
The same pope wrote the bull Romanus Pontifex on January 5, 1455 to the same Alfonso. As a follow-up to the Dum diversas, it extended to the Catholic nations of Europe dominion over discovered lands during the Age of Discovery. Along with sanctifying the seizure of non-Christian lands, it encouraged the enslavement of native, non-Christian peoples in Africa and the New World.
1493 AD. Pope Alexander VI authorizes the King of Spain to enslave non-Christians of the Americas who are at war with Christian powers.
1494 AD. Pope Alexander VI, in the 1494 Treaty of Tordesillas, divides the known New World between the two countries. As there was a need to locate a group to work in areas where the supply of indigenous labor was insufficient, to sustain their colonies, Spain and Portugal imported Africans.
1500- 1850 AD. Twelve million Africans arrived in the Americas to toil as slaves. The vast majority of these slaves worked in the Catholic colonies of Spain and Portugal
1548 AD. Pope Paul III confirms the right of clergy and laity to own slaves
1866 AD. Pope Pius IX declares:
Slavery itself, considered as such in its essential nature, is not at all contrary to the natural and divine law, and there can be several just titles of slavery, and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons … It is not contrary to the natural and divine law for a slave to be sold, bought, exchanged or given”.
1888 AD Pope Leo XIII condemns slavery in more general terms, and supports the anti-slavery movement.
1918 AD. The new Code of Canon Law promulgated by Pope Benedictus XV condemns ‘selling any person as a slave’. (There is no condemnation of ‘owning’ slaves, however, and that was viewed as an entirely distinct issue at the time!).
1965 AD. The Second Vatican Council defends basic human rights and denounces all violations of human integrity, including slavery (Gaudium et Spes, no 27,29,67).
Table prepared by John Wijngaards, with data from: J.F.Maxwell,
The Development of Catholic Doctrine concerning Slavery
World Jurist 11 (1969-70) pp. 147-192 and 291-324.
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@Mopac
The Catholic Church Played Major Role in Slavery
By Stacy M. Brown, NNPA Newswire Contributor
Published February 7, 2019
The universal church taught that slavery enjoyed the sanction of Scripture and natural law.
“When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.” — Jomo Kenyatta, First President of Kenya, Africa
The Catholic Church played a vital role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, according to historians and several published theses on the topic.
The trans-Atlantic slave trade was introduced by the coming of the Europeans who came with the Bible in the same manner that Arab raiders and traders from the Middle East and North Africa introduced Islam through the Trans-Saharan slave trade, according to AfricaW.com, a premiere informational website available throughout the continent.
“In fact, the Church was the backbone of the slave trade,” the authors wrote. “In other words, most of the slave traders and slave ship captains were very ‘good’ Christians.”
For example, Sir John Hawkins, the first slave-ship captain to bring African slaves to the Americas, was a religious man who insisted that his crew “serve God daily” and “love one another.” His ship, ironically called “The Good Ship Jesus,” left the shores of his native England for Africa in October 1562. Some historians argue that if churches had used their power, the Atlantic slave trade might have never occurred.
By the same logic, others argue that the Catholic church and Catholic missionaries could have also helped to prevent the colonization and brutality of colonialism in Africa. However, according to a 2015 Global Black History report, the Catholic church did not oppose the institution of slavery until the practice had already become infamous in most parts of the world.
In most cases, the churches and church leaders did not condemn slavery until the 17th century.
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The shaming of Africans.
Christianity played a major role in African slavery. But it was the Africans themselves who made it possible and supplied the slaves. Their complicity and brutality in creating the dehumanizing conditions and treatment of captured Africans in slave camps betrayed the innate jungle culture that the world witnesses as uniquely African. This archetypal jungle behaviour is pervasive throughout African history and has earned Africa the distinction of being the dark continent and the negroid Africans identified as being of sub-human ancestry.
"The forts and castles which started as European trading posts later becoming dungeons and slave auction areas which dot along the coast of Ghana even till today, don't give the whole picture.
This exhibition tackles the story of the slave trade from another more important angle which has, hitherto, not been told much. It tells how deeply African chiefs and kings themselves were involved in the trading, ordering raids and kidnaping, and arranged markets where the captured were sold. Toward the end of the 17th century and in the first few decades of the 18th, slave raiding and kidnaping became the major occupation among the Akwamu, Akyem, Kwahu, Krepi and Fante in the southern part of the Gold Coast and among all the major ethnic groups in the northern part of the country. It tells how those captured had to walk several kilometres under brutal conditions. Chained to each other with neck to hands iron shackles, they only got to rest at transit camps before arriving at the markets. Their new masters would then distinguished them from each other by marking them with branding irons which were put in fire to become red hot before they were stamped on specific parts of their body.
Many of the original iron shackles, some specially made for children, and the branding irons with inscriptions like ITA and GHC are in this exhibition. Also on display are recent colour photographs of many of the transit camps and markets as they look today."
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The religious forum is the right place to discuss the religious exploitation of humanity. The role of Christianity in African slavery is rather unique. Most religions allowed slavery based on economic and monetary reasons. But slaves were never targeted because of their skin colour alone. This all changed when Christians justified their targeting of Africans based on scriptures and skin colour. The continued discrimination of Africans are purely on skin colour.
There is a UNESCO study on the impact of slavery on the dark continent. What would be edifying to members on DDO is to hear Christians express their opinions on this subject and also those who feel indignation by this unjustifiable act of inhumanity against a people of negroid ancestry.
What role did Christianity play in African Slavery?
Historical records show that Islam and Christianity played an important role in enslavement in Africa. The Arab-controlled Trans-Saharan slave trade helped to institutionalise slave trading on the continent. And during the 'age of expedition', European Christians witnessed caravans loaded with Africans en-route to the Middle East. Others arriving much later in West Africa observed slavery in African societies, leading them to assume that African enslavement was intrinsic to the continent.
For many of these early European explorers, the Bible was not only regarded as infallible, it was also their primary reference tool and those looking for answers to explain differences in ethnicity, culture, and slavery, found them in Genesis 9: 24-27, which appeared to suggest that it was all a result of 'sin'.
In the Genesis passage, Africans were said to be the descendants of Ham, the son of Noah, who was cursed by his father after looking at his naked form. Moreover, in Genesis 10, the 'Table of Nations' describes the origins of the different 'races' and reveals that one of the descendants of Ham is 'Cush' - Cush and the 'Cushites' were people associated with the Nile region of North Africa.
In time, the connection Europeans made between sin, slavery, skin colour and beliefs would condemn Africans. In the Bible, physical or spiritual slavery is often a consequence of sinful actions, while darkness is associated with evil. Moreover, the Africans were subsequently considered 'heathens' bereft of Christianity, although scholars now suggest that Christianity reached Africa as early as the early 2nd century AD and that the Christian communities in North Africa were among the first in the world. However, Europeans doubtlessly refused to acknowledge the relevance of African Christianity as it appeared irreconcilable with the continent's cultural surroundings.
The Trans-Atlantic Slave a Trade.
"In fact, for almost 150 years, Ghana, on Africa"s west coast, was the center of the British slave trade. Western traders arrived in ships loaded with manufactured goods to barter or trade for slaves. Those who were sold had often been captured in tribal warfare; some had simply been kidnapped to sell to European slave traders.
it is estimated from as many as 20 million West Africans were captured between the end of 15th century until 1870 (when the slave trade was abolished). Only half of them survived the harsh conditions on the voyages " and 10 million of them actually made it to the Americas.
Ghana's role in the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.
Ghanaians, it seems, view the Trans-Atlantic slave trade as an unfortunate historical human calamity which must not be allowed to happen again.
But the question is how many Ghanaians are truly aware of the role people living within that part of the continent at the time played in the actual act of capturing and selling their own people in return for things such as gunpowder and kola? The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade and Ghana, an exhibition mounted as an attempt to educate the public on the historical occurrence of the slave trade, is currently on at the National Museum in Accra.
Not only is there evidence of some 35 slave markets dotted around the area in West Africa where Ghana is situated, there are also many routes, transit camps and objects available to establish that the trade took place under horrendous conditions. Several of these transit camps and markets have been identified within the area where Ghana is currently situated. And some of these inland sites are characterised by water cisterns, remnants of slave warehouses, rock boulders and trees with large or long exposed roots for chaining the enslaved. Burial grounds for slaves, and their ancestors as well as their masters are still visible at places like Salaga, Saakpuli and Kafaba in the Northern part of Ghana. Other places include Assin Manso and Effutu in the Central Region area, and Atorkor, Peki Dzake and Adafianu in Anloland.
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@Mopac
The church has greater authority than your interpretation of scriptures
Which one? There are 30,000 denominations of Churches. They cannot even agree among themselves.
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@Stephen
ReplyIf God and Jesus are the same, as many Christians will have us believe, having the same mind, knowledge and power, then why would Jesus (god) beg himself (god) in the garden of Gethsemane, to spare himself ( god) from having to be crucified?Matthew 26:39And further, why would Jesus (god) ask himself why he (god) has forsaken himself (god) by allowing himself (god) to be crucified?Matthew 27:46This is truly a awkward subject for many Christians to discuss considering that it gives the impression that if God & Jesus are one and the same as they believe, then it shows real signs of schizophrenia at worse and a delusional disorder at least.
The bible tells us Jesus and his disciples were drinking heavily celebrating the festival of Passover, so it was simply an exchange between a drunk and a sober God. Jesus was seeking help from God to take away the cup he was drinking from.
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@Mopac
--> @HarikrishReplyYes, it is no strange thing that parents pass on their idolatries and bad habits to their children. And even these curses can be lifted!As far as Ham being cursed, as well as all of his children, that is simply not what the church teaches. The curse fell on Canaan, not his brothers.
The bible tells us the curse followed what Noah's youngest son Ham had done to him. Canaan was not in the room or even born when the incident happened.
genesis 9:24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,
Noah's curse was intended for Ham. Noah cursed Ham through his children.
The bible confirms the Canasnites were punished by God. Thus fulfilling Noah's curse.
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@Castin
Yeah I'm gonna be cynical and say it was at least 50% about placing blame on women. Y'know I used to have an Eve Was Framed shirt, I wonder what happened to that...I'll have to agree with keith that patriarchy was so entrenched this aspect of the story probably wasn't even remarked upon.
Women view fruits and vegetables very differently than males.
genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.
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@Mopac
You claim to be a biblical scholar and spiritual leader, but as you are not with the church, I can't respect your credentials.The curse went on Canaan, not Ham or Canaan's brothers. In fact, Ham himself was blessed in verse 1 of this chapter.So no, the curse of Ham's son Canaan does not justify your racism.
But that is how curses work. Noah cursed Ham through his children.
God cursed Adam and Eve through their children.
God punishes children for the sins of the parents to the third and forth generation. Numbers 14:18.
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I haven't seen this one here, and this place could use a couple of new topics. Unfortunately it seems like there are less theists here than atheists, so I'm not sure about the traffic this place will get. Here we go:Let's say we take for granted that the universe is here as it is not because of any natural reaction or coincidence, but instead that it was created by a thinking agent. There is no real rational reason for granting this, at least none I've ever seen argued convincingly here or elsewhere, but let's skip that part, I'm saying, as an olive branch to the believer. It doesn't matter, then, if you subscribe to a big bang cosmology BUT it was started by a thinking agent, or if you think the world was created 10000 years ago. What I'm curious about is how does one justify going from "creator" to any god with a capital G. How, essentially, can you convince someone else that your version of the creator is correct, and by extension your religion is the right one, and theirs is INcorrect, and therefore the wrong one?
A simple test is to see how long these scientific theories last. Most of the scientists and speculators are dead, whereas God appears very much alive to the 2 billion Christians. If you cannot kill God with facts, nothing will.
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@Mopac
Ham wasn't cursed, his son Canaan and his descendants were.Also, calling someone "low IQ nigger" is not very nice.
There are 2 problems with your position.
1. Canaan was not yet born when Noah cursed Ham. Noah and his 3 sons Shem, Japheth and Ham had just gotten off the Ark.
Genesis 9:The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) 19 These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the whole earth.
2. Noah was drunk when he cursed his youngest son who was Ham. But being drunk he got the name wrong. Canaan was not even in the room when the incident happened.
Genesis 9:20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded[a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him,25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”
26 He also said,
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
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May God extend Japheth’s[b] territory;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”
3. But it was a common practice to curse the person through his children. So Noah cursed Ham through his children (Canaan)
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.'
4. It was even worse condemning generations after generations of Africans to slavery. So low IQ was a precursor to what was to follow.
Harikrish is a biblical scholar and spiritual leader at DDO.
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Noah had 3 sons Shem, Japheth and Ham. Noah only cursed Ham and his children and Ham's children were destined to be slaves to Shem and Japheth and their descendants. (Genesis 9)
Genesis 10 gives us the start of Nations.
Only Ham's children were the first Africans.
1. 4. Four Sons of Ham
1. Mizraim (Egypt)
2. Cush (Sudan, Ethiopia)
3. Put (Lybia)
4. Canaan (Land of Canaanites)
As you can see those are African countries. Both the curse and hot sun changed the genetics of Hams descendant. This gave rise to the African race and phenotypes.
Noah's sons Shem and Japheth started the other nations.
2. Five Sons of Shem (see map below):
1. Elam (Arabia)
2. Asshur (Assyria)
3. Lud (Lydians)
4. Aram (Aramaic, Armenia, Mesopotamia, Syria)
5. Arphaxad (From which Abraham descended)
Note, This debunks the Out of Africa Theory. Shem or his descendants were never in Africa.
3. Seven Sons of Japheth:
1. Javan (Greece, Romans, Romance -- French, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese)
2. Magog (Scythians, Slavs, Russians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Poles, Slovaks, Croatians)
3. Madai (Indians & Iranic: Medes, Persians, Afghans, Kurds)
4. Tubal (South of Black Sea)
5. Tiras (Thracians, Teutons, Germans, Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxon, Jutes)
6. Meshech (Russia)
7. Gomer (Celtic)
Note, This debunks the Out of Africa Theory. Japheth or his descendants were never in Africa.
Now you know why the curse of Ham only condemned Africans who were the descendants of Hams children who built the African nations.
Noah's curse and its fulfillment.
Canaanites
Canaan, As well as his descendants, Followed in the sinful way of their father. The punishment was placed upon the descendants of Canaan-the Canaanites. These are the people who were driven out of the Promised Land by the children of Israel. Consequently, They would be in servitude to the descendants of Shem and Japeth. Because the descendants of Canaan lived corrupt lives, Their judgment was righteous. When the children of Israel entered the land of Promise they saw the detestable things that the descendants of Canaan were doing. God blessed Israel and cursed the Canaanites because their practices were similar to their father Ham.
Historical Fulfillment
History records God's promises were fulfilled. The Canaanites were defeated and placed into slavery by the eastern kings Genesis 14. Later in the history of Israel, Other descendants of Canaan, Known as the Gibeonites, Were made wood choppers and water carriers under Joshua. Thus the predictions of Noah that Canaan's descendants would serve Shem's descendants were literally fulfilled and recorded in the Old Testament.
Indians are Indo European/Aryans the descendants of Japheth. Noah only cursed the Canaanites the descendants of Canaan the son of Ham. Read your bible you low IQ nigger.
Where are the Canaanites today? Not in India. Lol?
Canaan was the name of a large and prosperous ancient country (at times independent, At others a tributary to Egypt) located in the Levant region of present-day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, And Israel. It was also known as Phoenicia.
Why did Ham's son Canaan leave Africa when Ham and his other sons settled in African countries?
4. Four Sons of Ham
1. Mizraim (Egypt)
2. Cush (Sudan, Ethiopia)
3. Put (Lybia)
4. Canaan (Land of Canaanites)
And Ham divided amongst his sons, And the first portion came forth for Cush towards the east(Sudan, Ethiopia), And to the west of him for Mizraim(Egypt), And to the west of him for Put(Lybia), And to the west of him [and to the west thereof] on the sea for Canaan.
Jubilees 9:1
And Canaan saw the land of Lebanon to the river of Egypt, That it was very good, And he went not into the land of his inheritance to the west (that is to) the sea, And he dwelt in the land of Lebanon, Eastward and westward from the border of Jordan and from the border of the sea. And Ham, His father, And Cush and Mizraim his brothers said unto him: 'Thou hast settled in a land which is not thine, And which did not fall to us by lot: do not do so; for if thou dost do so, Thou and thy sons will fall in the land and (be) accursed through sedition; for by sedition ye have settled, And by sedition will thy children fall, And thou shalt be rooted out for ever. Dwell not in the dwelling of Shem; for to Shem and to his sons did it come by their lot. Cursed art thou, And cursed shalt thou be beyond all the sons of Noah, By the curse by which we bound ourselves by an oath in the presence of the holy judge, And in the presence of Noah our father. ' But he did not hearken unto them, And dwelt in the land of Lebanon from Hamath to the entering of Egypt, He and his sons until this day. And for this reason that land is named Canaan. R32;"Jubilees 10:29-34.
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@Alec
--> @HarikrishI'm proposing that we dig holes for a different purpose. To free those in hell. It's not about gas extraction.
By digging holes and freeing the gas we are freeing those from hell only to burn as intended when we light the gas in our stoves etc.
Can you rephrase because to be this doesn't make sense?
You said we dig holes not for gas but to free those in hell.
But that is exactly what gas is, it is dead spirits trapped in hell which we free as gas when we did holes. The gas is burned in our stoves etc. Which is the burning in hell metaphor duplicated in the gas burning.
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--> @HarikrishReplyIf the three Gods you rebuke couldn't help you, all you have left is therapy for your condition.Have you you tried the Harikrish Spiritual Shaming Detox Centre? You can go there to get your head slapped for free.???????????????........WoA = the TRUTH....Harikrish.....once again can ONLY THREATEN all who do not agree with his GOD hypnosis PSYCHOSIS..........................typical response of the Parasite infected VAMPIRES of the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD CULTS....always ready to CONDEMN....this is what they are programmed to do....assimilate with FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE....the weakest most pathetic slaves of Comic BookGOD characters on EARTH....As the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GODS fade into the FORGOTTEN as have thousands of other human invented GODS over time....a new AWARENESS begins...One that has more in common with FAR EAST SPIRITUALITIES....like Hindu - Jainism - Buddha - Krishna - and many other MINDFUL oriented practices...all of which are NON VIOLENT and NON MIND / LIFE CONTROLLINGThe Abrahamic GODS are a DISGRACE to everything on EARTH....they totally disregard all other beliefs and all 3 use VIOLENCE as tools forCONTROL....all 3 are based on VIOLENCE and OPPRESSION...all 3 deserve the TOILET...and to be FORGOTTEN and THEY ARE NOW....all 3 are being TRASHED...seen as utterly USELESS...UTTERLY STUPID....just like the FOOLS that PREACH them.....
Have you considered getting your head slapped for free at the Harikrish Spiritual Shaming Detox Centre? Success rate is 100%
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Harikrish SAYS..........If your mommy opted for abortion, you would have been spared eternal damnation. Your mommy should have taken the hint when the doctor slapped your mommy insteadof the baby he delivered.............???????????????? WoA = the "TRUTH" ......????????????????????????????????????????.....this comment ? typical of a 3rd grade level mind....and this truly represents the unprecedented DUMBING DOWN EFFECT created by the Abrahamic GOD brainwashing...regardless of the GOD chosento believe in JEW - JESUS - ALLAH all 3 use the same format for MIND and LIFE CONTROL....The parasite VAMPIRE preachers who prance around in Halloween Glory Gowns and play GOD insist all must OBEY them...for they are the conduitto GOD ! the GOD himself is to stupid or lazy to actually show up and teach his pathetic human creation how and WHO to OBEY ....so the humansthat invented this Comic book character decide to PLAY GOD "IN the NAME of GOD !" the perfect hoax...perfect scapegoat...!and the Harikrish brainwashed sheeple drone shows himself and his TRUTH for all to see....all MUST OBEY Harikrish....or be PUNISHED !Harikrish loves to PLAY GOD...and offer all manner of PUNISHMENT and CONDEMNATIONS...this is characteristic of the Abrahamic GOD hypnosisPSYCHOSIS....to defend and protect the GOD for the GOD himself is to STUPID and INCOMPETENT to do it himself !All fall to the floor and beg Harikrish for forgiveness....then FLUSH him down a TOILET and FORGET ! all this pawn can do is THREATEN andACCUSE all who laugh at his idiot GOD hoax and him for acting like a GOD...he is just another piece of TOILET PAPER used by his GOD vomitingPREACHER.....sad....very sad indeed...go back to your CULT and inform them that their end is near....HUMANITY NEVER NEEDS any of these3 STOOGE GODS to OBEY...especially the fools that act like them.....HAhahahaha.......IDIOTS.....each a true HELL on this EARTH...Nature is SMART...soon enough all of these Abrahamic GOD Parasite VAMPIRES will drop DEAD...it's just a matter of TIME....in the meantime aglobal push to RID EARTH and HUMANITY of these 3 stooge GODS is well under way and will NOT SLOW DOWN....the days of AbrahamicCOMIC BOOK GODS is over....all 3 destined for the Mythology shelf and will be FORGOTTEN.....good riddance to them and their ParasiteVAMPIRE followers....
So you are not denying abortion would have saved you from eternal damnation?
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--> @HarikrishI'm proposing that we dig holes for a different purpose. To free those in hell. It's not about gas extraction.
By digging holes and freeing the gas we are freeing those from hell only to burn as intended when we light the gas in our stoves etc.
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Here's a thought -- the snake is the externalized concept of temptation and the story introduces the idea that man, in his rawest form truly was a tabula rasa and had no particular inclination to break rules -- that this urge had to be introduced from the outside. This absolves man on some level because it lays the blame on some outside agent, at least initially. Then, the urge becomes internalized through the eating so subsequent people have this same desire built in. The moral of the story is "recognize that you now have this wish to break rules, but look at the consequences last time..."Or, maybe the story is saying that man cannot exist in his pristine state and will, inevitably, fall victim to any environmental temptation. The snake then represents a very natural source for desire, earthly, not divine.
The scriptures give us a better idea of the serpent.
1. It was called a serpent by Adam. Adam was asked to name all the creatures he saw. So it does not necessarily mean it was a real serpent. It's simply what Adam called it. Not being an expert some laxity should be shown here.
2. It was very smart and crafty. It even outsmarted God. That eliminates a fictional concept or desire. it was a worthy opponent/adversary.
3. God could not read the serpents intentions. So obviously it was not human or God would have easily read it's mind.
4.The serpent knew why God did not want Eve to eat the fruit. So it had to be one of God's angels with whom God had discussed his creation.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and ...
The fact the serpent fooled God should not be the rational behind why it couldn't fool the Jews.The concept of Satan was not as dominant with Jews because that would have made their God look dumb.
Christians don't have a problem with a dumb God. They even accept his even dumber son Jesus who was crucified by the Romans.
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INFESTS the neural network of the Harikrish.....sheeple drone slave.....So....who planted the GOD Parasite between the Harikrish ears ? Parents....Church / Temple / Mosque preaching VAMPIRE ? TV...radio.. WHO ?Certainly this Harikrish ..did not have a burning bush moment like MOSES did....or a visit by the boy JESUS Holy Ghost ! ...or a chat with ALLAHwhile at some coffee house ? WHO THEN....has INFECTED - CONTAMINATED - ENSLAVED his puny incompetent MIND ? with one of theseGOD Comic Book characters ? and which GOD of all the thousands that HUMANS invented and TRASHED throughout the AGES does theHarikrish fall on the floor and beg for salvation from ? the JEW GOD ? the JESUS hoax ? or is it the "WILL of ALLAH" psychopath GOD invention ?.......No doubt the GREATEST THREAT and DISGRACE to all sentient beings in the UNIVERSE is the pathetic HYPNOTIZED HUMAN that is enslavedto one of the Abrahamic GOD Comic Book farce characters....these humans are TRULY the PARASITE VAMPIRES against HUMANITY.....and EARTHNot only are these Parasites at WAR among each other and against each other over their FAKE GOD INVENTIONS..they are at WAR with EARTHand all of the life forms that exist on it....regardless of which Abrahamic GOD hoax one chooses or is FORCED TO OBEY (the truth) these hypnotizedslave drones of some Church / Temple / Mosque CULT want to end the world....they are CONDITIONED to self destruct for their GOD hoax....SOLUTION ? is well under way..the new generations understand and see clearly through the Abrahamic GOD hoax...and are NOT falling for anyof it.....soon all 3 GODS will end up like ZEUS and ODIN...FORGOTTEN and relegated to MYTHOLOGY for children's entertainment...EARTH without these 3 idiot GOD hoaxes for humans to MURDER and CONTROL each other over...how stupid and immature to have ever fallenfor this GOD GARBAGE....Lrt the GODS show themselves and speak ....otherwise GO FCK YOURSELF with this BULLSHT.........
If your mommy opted for abortion, you would have been spared eternal damnation. Your mommy should have taken the hint when the doctor slapped your mommy insteadof the baby he delivered.
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If the three Gods you rebuke couldn't help you, all you have left is therapy for your condition.Harikrish .....SAYS......You send a powerful message to the Jews, Christians and Muslims their mission to eradicate infidels are not over.????????????????????.......................??????????????????????????..............................................??????????????????????????????? >>>>>>WoA = "The TRUTH" ........throughout the AGES the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH God inventing Parasite VAMPIRES have wreaked havoc...death anddestruction in the name of their IDIOT GOD HOAX invention.........................WHY doesn't the JEW GOD just show up and teach his pathetic human creation a lesson for inventing other GODS ?.....................WHY doesn't the JESUS boy wonder GOD come back to his flock of FOOLS and show them the WAY to HEAVEN ?.....................WHY doesn't the ALLAH God like just appear and rid EARTH of all the infidels ....???...to busy with his HAREM ?...........the TRUTH about the 3 GOD STOOGES invented by angry worthless tribal parasites desperate for IDENTITY in a remote desert !...........all 3 GODS....#1 the JEW GOD...#2 the JESUS Joke...#3 the ALLAH invention.....all 3 ready for the TOILET....ready....F L U S H ...!Yes flush these 3 pathetic Comic Book GOD hoaxes down the TOILET....it's where SHT belongs....along with their Comic Book Torah - Bible - KoranVOMIT.....all down the TOILET....Imagine a world without these 3 STOOGE GODS and the Parasite VAMPIRE followers that use them as tools and scapegoats to commit all mannerof atrocities for POWER and CONTROL over the masses of HUMAN ASSES....Imagine a time going forward when someone says JESUS and the response is WHO ? and ultimately.....SO WHAT...i have better things to do thenthink or discuss some idiotic boy GOD hoax of a long GONE era when humans were truly STUPID and would easily be hypnotized to believe thisCRAP.....and the same response goes with the JEW and ALLAH GOD hoax stories....FORGOTTEN...and the stuff of children's Mythology forentertainment...like ZEUS and ODIN are today !Imagine in the near future when all of the GODS are rotting on some dusty shelf in a decaying library....GOD ? what is that the children of thenear future would ask...and the reply WILL BE...oh, they were Comic Book characters of another time...just silly stories by very ignorant humansof the time.....
Have you you tried the Harikrish Spiritual Shaming Detox Centre? You can go there to get your head slapped for free.
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@RationalMadman
The Christian God is not the same guy as Allah. This is a delusional outlook on the Gods that Muslims made up.The God of Judaism (Old Testament) is Satan. The God of Christianity (New Testament) is Cephalus of the Greek Gods. The God of Islam is the future form of the Holy Spirit of Jesus that ends up hating himself. He is also Lucifer.
The God of Abraham is the God of Ishmael his first born, is the God of Arab/Muslims the descendants of Ishmael. Abraham is the first Jew and the father of Judaism. The God of Christianity is the God of Abraham.
Trying to add 'rational' before 'madman' is a bit of a stretch. Stick with the original idea of 'madman'. It suits you.
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YES....HUMAN....YOU the HUMAN reading this post.....are not A ..."GOD"You have a 100 year avatar TIMELINE...maybe...most humans do not exist to their 100 year....yet many HUMANS act like a "GOD" they use someComic Book Bible/Koran/Torah version as a TOOL to hypnotize and enslave other humans to OBEY and serve THEM ! not some NO SHOW...NOTVISIBLE super being creator entity....NO...just some clever MIND and LIFE molesting PARASITE VAMPIRE who declares himself a conduit to "GOD" ! and does nothing more than suck the life ENERGY, curiosity and adventure inherent within the human species and reduces them to a dumbed down pathetic slave drones to serve them....not the "GOD" they invented...all "IN THE NAME of GOD" ! what a SCAM...very clever indeed..........THE Parasite Vampire that plays GOD...Preaches in a Halloween glory Gown and acts so RIGHTEOUS...yet many of these twisted MIND FCKERSare PEDOPHILE CHILD RAPISTS, conspirators in Government and Business for POWER and CONTROL...they are truly PARASITES of FREEDOMOBEY they say....or be PUNISHED and SUFFER in LIFE and after in DEATH for all ETERNITY ! just look closely at any of these ABRAHAMICGOD SPEWING VAMPIRES...and the TRUTH is revealed..they are truly out for BLOOD = ENERGY = POWER and CONTROL over the masses...Where is the JEW GOD of MOSES ? to save the JEWS from attack and extermination by their neighbors in ISRAEL ? it's the same Comic BookSHT vomited on humanity for thousands of years and even NOW = TODAY they still can't resolve the RAGE to EXTERMINATE THEM....where isthe JEW GOD of MOSES...who parted the RED SEA..? on VACATION ? RETIRED? or just plain fed up with his human creation...= TRUTH...Then comes the JESUS hoax...the GOD who popped out of some illiterate VIRGIN JEWISH GIRL ....and was later set up and MURDERED by hisown TRIBE of JEWS ...the JEWS accused him of being a HOAX and convinced ROME to EXECUTE HIM...why not the JEWS themselves ? rid thefake MESSIAH ? no...no...let the ROMANS do it for them..and they did in grand spectacle style...The real JOKE about the JESUS farce is how ROME took the JESUS and martyred him for themselves as their OLD EMPIRE MODEL DIED..in 300AD...very clever...ROME continues as a POWER BASE under the cloak of the JESUS GOD HOAX ! very clever indeed !Fast forward 600 years after the JESUS MURDER demanded by his JEW TRIBE...and 300 years after Emperor CONSTANTINE makes JESUS theonly GOD allowed by ROME to worship ! really....a human orders the JESUS HOAX to be worshipped ! then comes ALLAH !ALLAH ! the final STOOGE GOD of the Middle East con game...this GOD invented by the ARABS was and is still used today to assimilate and terrorize all who do not accept and convert to the IDIOT-OLOGY DOGMA world class psychotic old men attached to their ALLAH FARCE..............3 GODS...all at WAR....each claiming he is the GOD of all GODS and none are present or visible...each has their very own Comic BookGARBAGE = Bible / Koran / Torah to VOMIT on the hypnotized and enslaved sheeple who serve them !YES...these are HUMANS with RETARDED TITLES who PLAY "GOD" in the name of their invented "GOD" hoax...they are the greatest THREATto HUMANITY and EARTH...dedicated to maintaining POWER and CONTROL with FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE...and the absolute destruction of the OPEN MINDED free will and thinking HUMAN...their greatest ENEMY....RESOLVE to RID EARTH of these 3 HUMAN fabricated Comic Book GOD HOAXES as they have done to all the other GODS and SPIRITUALITIESof humanity...long before these 3 idiotic GOD inventions existed...all 3 are STOLEN and TWISTED stories from other civilizations that existed longbefore any of these 3 STOOGE GODS showed up.....
I am totally shocked none of the three Gods your rebuke were able to help you with your deteriorating condition. Have you tried therapy?
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..............THREATS.....always the THREATS of PUNISHMENT and SUFFERING for not being a good HYPNOTIZED SHEEPLE ZOMBIE SLAVE of the SYSTEM....these are the RULES....OBEY.....or BE PUNISHED ! a perfect STRATEGY for CONTROL....devised and deployed by the AbrahamicJEW - JESUS - ALLAH God inventors and the Religious IDIOCY = DOGMA the Parasite MIND and LIFE MOLESTERS attach to their invented GODHOW APPROPRIATE ! all OBEY or be CONDEMNED and REMOVED from this GLORIOUS FORUM ( Concentration Camp) YOU are being watched...and JUDGED as to YOUR worthiness to speak in this CLOSED MAZE of a Religious FORUM....a maze without an EXIT, a maze withunlimited OBSTACLES to PREVENT and DESTROY the OPEN MINDED FREE WILL and FREE SPEECH thinker and reasoner....NO NO NO....the FORUM POLICE SAY......do only as YOU are TOLD....OBEY.....or BE PUNISHED.....Praise the CLOSED and IMPOTENT MIND....OBEY....it is the WILL of the JEW GOD...the JESUS GOD hoax...and finally the 3rd stooge of MiddleEast Abrahamic GODS = ALLAH ! 3 totally IDIOTIC man made GOD hoaxes...all at WAR against each other..EACH the ONLY TRUE GOD !How can this be ?......???????........3 totally invented GODS...JEW - JESUS - ALLAH....and where are these GODS NOW ? oh, playing GOLFwith each other on some remote MOON in another Solar System....NO TIME for their PATHETIC HUMAN CREATION DISASTER.....The HUMANS are determined to EXTERMINATE each other over their GOD differences....and what do the GODS have to say about this ? ??????UH, not AVAILABLE for COMMENT....like NOT AVAILABLE because NONE of these 3 STOOGE GODS exists...they were invented by some miserable TRIBAL PSYCHOPATHS as TOOLS...and SCAPEGOATS to further their pathetic STATUS since they had NONE for thousands of yearsin the region...The JEWS pulled off a great HOAX with their MOSES meets GOD JOKE...1st came MOSES meets his GOD farce...then 1500 years PASS...and the infant boy JESUS Joke arrives (pops out of some illiterate tribal JEW GIRL)and declares himself the JEWISH MESSIAH ! what a JOKE....and the JEWS ? well they decided to have ROME execute the HERETIC...Hahahahhow PATHETIC ! and of course ROME loves a spectacle and gladly complies with JESUS grand EXTERMINATION ! Hahahaha....the stuff of ComicBooks....then it took 300 more years to pass before the JESUS jew boy fake GOD was martyred into a GOD by then Emperor Constantine !I Constantine...Emperor of ROME declare JESUS as the one and only GOD to be worshipped ! SCREW THOSE JEWS ! Hahahaha..what a JOKE!Then 300 more years pass and its around 600 AD....and some wandering illiterate tribal ARAB LUNATIC has his chat with GOD and VOILA !ALLAH has arrived ! Gee...what did the JEW GOD of MOSES have to say about that MOVE ! Hahahaa....FOOLS these Arabs are for I amthe GOD of MOSES...the one and only TRUE GOD....these pathetic imitations are a DISGRACE ! JESUS a boy God HOAX and this ALLAHimbecile..both invented by ANTI JEW GOD psychopaths....all are LIARS...and will be PUNISHED.....and so the TYRANNY BEGINS among these 3 STOOGES these 3 idiotic GOD hoaxes...Each l stolen from other civilizations who wrote the original stories that are now TWISTED into the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH God Religious HOAXES....all 3 are a DISGRACE...all 3 GODS are the work of psychotic FOOLS...Comic Book characters..nothingmore.....silly...childish..immature...designed for truly STUPID HUMANS to become enslaved by clever MIND MOLESTERS who invented this GARBAGE......
You should ignore them just like they ignore you. That way you can proudly say it is mutual contempt. Instead, you appear to be on your own ranting at the world seeking attention for your condition .i could hear your ranting from DDO.
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They appear totaking tree branches to their churches and performing some kind of ritual of sorts with them.WTF are they doing?Its got me stummped. SOMETHING STRANGE IS HAPPENING.They couldn't be could they?Truthfully now, You guys can not like talk with these gods of yours with these palm leaves hey? YES OR NO?YES or NO..I'll get to the bottom of this, I'M WATCHING YOU LOT.
I think it's called laying of palms, not palm leaves. The laying of palms is a metaphor for head slapping.
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The ABRAHAMIC GODS are a JOKE...used to incite FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE all 3 are human INVENTIONS and are WORTHLESS............The TRUTH revealed.....but YOU ......PGA2.0................can't handle the TRUTH..........your BRAIN is saturated with BIBLE VERSE VOMITand Church brainwashing DOGMA....YOU are a slave to a Comic Book Story HOAX....as children are when they are exposed to Santa Claus...and become convinced they must OBEY the RULES in order to receive the GIFTS they DESIRE...this FORMULA for HYPNOSIS PSYCHOSISto accept what is told to them as FACT...is eventually understood by the child as a CLEVER HOAX....to teach them how to OBEY and be rewardedfor doing so....it's a simple technique = OBEY or be PUNISHED and SUFFER....this is the foundation of the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD garbageThis FORMULA of OBEY or be PUNISHED is used by the Middle East JEW - JESUS - ALLAH Parasite VAMPIRE preachers who act like a GOD and through clever MIND CONTROL STRATEGIES dumb down the children and adults to accept their asinine GOD - Bible / Koran / Torah Comic Book VOMIT as an absolute TRUTH....Why then are 3 GODS needed ? 3 GODS remain from the thousands before them invented and worshipped in the middle East ?and what of all the other GODS humans invented and worship around the world in the PAST and PRESENT TIMES ?Oh RIGHT, according to the pathetic BRAINWASHED and DUMBED DOWN ......PGA2.0.......who is incapable of independent thought and reasoningall must accept his / her ? idiotic version of some comic Book Bible VOMIT and the GOD attached to it or forever be WRONG and CONDEMNED toHELL ! what a FOOL.....to believe this horrifically childish and OBSOLETE Cartoon GOD character = JEW - JESUS - ALLAH invented by old menin a long gone and absurdly IGNORANT era of humanity...whose only purpose was to assimilate and enslave weak minded humans int some idiotic CULTso the old men could play GOD with them ! what a JOKE....the ABRAHAMIC Jew - Jesus - Allah GOD hoaxes PROVE beyond any doubt how TRULY STUPID the masses of humanity are...so easily manipulated into slavery and servitude of an invisible SUPER BEING who itself is to FCKG LAZY to actually show up and guide its own idiotichuman creation from exterminating itself ! because his own creation does not believe he exist so they create other GODS ....!Like, HEY Joe...YOUR GOD SUCKS...let's create a new GOD and call it BETTY .....OK Joe said....and then we can go back to KINDERGARTENclass and make all the other kids OBEY our NEW GOD...BETTY ! or else we will tell them they will be expelled from school if they don't accept.......COOL ! Joe said.....now I to can PLAY GOD and make the other kids OBEY ME...because I am BETTY's Prophet...! Prophet Joe in the nameof "GOD BETTY" all must OBEY....Kneel for BETTY...beg for forgiveness...for YOU have SINNED and "BETTY" is angry with YOU....repent...CONFESS your CRIME of even existing as a SINNER...now fall on the floor and shake for "GOD BETTY" to prove your loyalty....then OBEY mePROPHET JOE....for only I am the speaker of GOD BETTY....all rise...and bow to me Prophet JOE....your guide and MASTER to all things "BETTY"OBEY....or be PUNISHED and SUFFER....so says "GOD BETTY" and I Prophet Jow will carry out all punishment...as it is written in the NEWERTESTAMENT.....the word of "GOD BETTY" the BETTY BIBLE....all kneel and thank Lord "BETTY" for this gift...the BETTY BIBLE" of verse VOMITfor all to LIVE and DIE by...............The Abrahamic GOD garbage is nothing more than a TROJAN HORSE PLOY used to assimilate truly STUPID humans into slavery of someidiotic JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD invented CULT .....truly the HELL on this EARTH these Parasite VAMPIRES are who fabricated this 3 GODgarbage hoax and the idiots that are HYPNOTIZED and FOLLOW this crap to their GRAVES...The BEST NEWS EVER ! = humanity is finally waking UP ....GLOBALLY regarding the Abrahamic GOD invented GARBAGE and flushing all 3 idioticComic Book JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD HOAXES down the TOILET.....congrats HUMANITY....for ridding EARTH of these 3 GOD stooges....
You must live in a rough neighbourhood that makes you come out swinging every day at the three major religious groups Jews, Christians, Muslims.Which minority group do you belong to?
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@WisdomofAges
CONGRATULATIONS, people say when a BABY arrives....by the time the infant is able to recognize and follow instructions = 2- 3 years oldsome JEW - JESUS - ALLAH Parasite VAMPIRE preacher INFECTS the child with their GOD DISEASE and DOGMA to OBEY or be PUNISHED...how utterly SICK and DISGUSTING these GOD Parasite VAMPIRES truly are who INFECT and INFEST a vulnerable child's mind with thisBULLSHT....and VOILA ! the child ends up HYPNOTIZED and ENSLAVED to OBEY and SERVE the PSYCHOTIC GOD PLAYING PREACHERwho controls his FLOCK of dumbed down FOOLS with FEAR - OPPRESSION - VIOLENCE.....This is how the Middle East GOD hoax DISEASE is transmitted....by INJECTION through so called adults...no irresponsible PSYCHOPATHS whowant to own the minds and lives of their infected sheeple drones.....DISGUSTING.....No human EVER needs to be subjected to this horrific ABUSE especially vulnerable young children.....this is the EPITOME of CONCENTRATIONCAMP CONDITIONING....into slavery....and why the Middle EAST is still to this day is in NON STOP CONFLICT...all 3 GOD imbecile followers areat WAR among themselves and against EARTH itself...wanting to facilitate the end of days with massive DEATH and DESTRUCTION in the nameof their fake GOD invented GARBAGE....let them KILL EACH OTHER OFF so the rest of humanity can live in PEACE and THRIVEThey can all get the FCK off this planet...and go to their HEAVEN and HELL .....HUMANS for HEALTH and WELLNESS must RID EARTH of these 3 GOD hoax DISEASES....before it's truly to late....
You send a powerful message to the Jews, Christians and Muslims their mission to eradicate infidels are not over.
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@linate
here is a link with working links for the stuff belowtheists cant show things that look supernatural, but theists canfirst cause per God is merely a philosophical problem and is the most likely scenario=======there are credible people in respectable positions of science who believe in exorcisms. there are credible people who say of things that look supernatural."Dr. Richard Gallagher is an Ivy League-educated, board-certified psychiatrist who teaches at Columbia University and New York Medical College. He was part of the team that tried to help the woman.Fighting Satan's minions wasn't part of Gallagher's career plan while he was studying medicine at Yale. He knew about biblical accounts of demonic possession but thought they were an ancient culture's attempt to grapple with mental disorders like epilepsy. He proudly calls himself a "man of science."Yet today, Gallagher has become something else: the go-to guy for a sprawling network of exorcists in the United States. He says demonic possession is real. He's seen the evidence: victims suddenly speaking perfect Latin; sacred objects flying off shelves; people displaying "hidden knowledge" or secrets about people that they could not have possibly have known.""Gallagher agrees and has answers for skeptics like Novella.He says demons won't submit to lab studies or allow themselves to be easily recorded by video equipment. They want to sow doubt, not confirm their existence, he says. Nor will the church compromise the privacy of a person suffering from possession just to provide film to skeptics."more doctors discussing this from a scientific perspectivehere is the leading proponent doctor giving an example of a 'true' possession=======evidence of the objective nature of NDEs:people literally die and come back to tell us of the afterlife and God. it's hard to get much more straightforward than that.NDEs of atheists-most atheists meet a divine being and more than half of them come back believing in God. reading the examples at nderf.org seems to make one think almost all of them do. there is some decent arguments that NDEs can be somewhat subjective sometimes, but the fact that athesists dont just see an afterlife without God is significant.of course NDEs of agnostics and theists involve this stuff tooout of body experiences-the AWARE studies show people who have cardiac arrest and are resusitated. they die, experience the afterlife, and come back to tell about it. the first study showed someone experiencing both visual and auditory ability while clinically dead through an out of body experience. more studies are being done.-one peer reviewed study showed someone who died reading numbers on a page while out of body, and that would only be possible otherwise if they guessed the numbers randomly and correctly.-"In a little over 40 percent of my surveys, NDE"rs observed things that were geographically far from their physical body, that were way outside of any possible physical central awareness. Typically, someone who has an NDE with an out-of-body experience comes back and reports what they saw and heard while floating around, it"s about 98 percent accurate in every way. For example, in one account someone who coded in the operating room had an out-of-body experience where their consciousness traveled to the hospital cafeteria where they saw and heard their family and others talking, completely unaware that they had coded. They were absolutely correct in what they saw."-there is the testimony of thousands of credible people who have died and told others what they were doing when dead, affirmed by both the dead person and the person observed. often concerning reliable witnesses like doctors. there are books dedicated to giving examples. a common example is pam reynolds, who accurately described the surgical equipment that was used while she was dead, and was said to not have been available while she was awake and not something a normal person would know.consistency argument'near death experiences' are consistent globally-the near death experience happens to everyone in very similar ways. this even happens to people who have never heard of the phenomenon and to kids. to suggest that there is a story embedded in our brain is far fetched.seems more real than real"we ask that as a very direct survey question: What do you currently believe about the reality of your experience? And of about 590 NDE responders, 95 percent say the experience was definitely real with the other options being probably real, probably not real, and definitely not real. So among those that have these experiences, virtually everybody knows that it was a real thing. It"s just much harder to believe for those of us who have never had one. Seeing is believing. If you don"t personally have a near-death experience, which is again a blessing"obviously these people nearly died"it"s hard to understand these unearthly experiences."non-hallucinatory-there is nothing that reproduces the NDE and the closest drug that can like ketamine you can draw marked differences between that and the authentic experience. mostly by noting most ketamine and drug induced experiences are random, but NDEs again are consistent.here is a load of scientific evidence produced from NDEs:
Jesus had a NDE. He liked it so much he called it heaven and has not returned since.
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@Alec
The bible says that most of us will burn in hell forever and that hell is extremely painful. Look it up if you don't believe me because I'm too lazy to get links.The soviets accidentally discovered hell when they were competing against America to see who could dig the deepest hole. They discovered hell in the process(http://www.amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm).Based off of this information, the US should dig many holes to hell with ladders and geothermal powered elevators in order to free those in hell. Change my mind if you want to.
I think digging holes looking for combustible sources is called fracking for gas.
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@TheRealNihilist
Covenant stealing should be seen as a power grab. And circumcision was an Abrahmic covenant with God which the Muslims embraced. Seems the battle has shifted to the Middle East between two covenant grabbers. Jews and Muslims or more accurately circumcised dicks.War from what I understand was done for power. In the present power can be gained through money. The US knows that which is why they are doing well in making other countries "democratic" when they are actually exploiting their natural resources. Might be due to Religious grounds like what I think Israel is but I think in the present that is the exception rather then the rule.
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@Goldtop
I've never heard of a Muslim disagreeing with that, however that's the first time I've seen a video of it in which they show what they're referring to when they talk about "light" beatings. No matter, it is still utterly barbaric behavior.
The average Muslim has 4 wives. This might be one of their exercise videos.
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@TheRealNihilist
I doubt it would happen again and I don't have the influence to make that happen.
Last time around they put away 6 million circumcised pricks. Don't underestimate their hate for all things circumcised.
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@TheRealNihilist
No answer or do you actually think showing me a bombing done by one person is enough?If that is the case then you are irrational.
Europe had 2 world wars. They must hate each other very much. Don't encourage them to start another world war.
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@Stephen
Yes, its very sad, isn't it? Do you not feel sorry for me? I did after all join this forum to make as many many life time friends as I possibly could.
Maybe you should try Harikrish's Golden Rule Plus.
Love thy neighbour, but be likeable yourself.
For what does it profit a man to love the world but be disliked by all.
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@Stephen
Where in the rules does it state that you can just simply jump on a thread to air your disciplinary rules? If he is not responding (if indeed a request to respond was issued) then you should just suspend him and not threaten members with penalties and suspension on someone else's thread. You have me put on a warning for politely telling someone that I would report them if they persisted in abuse. But here you are making threats to members for all the forum to witness..So if you don't mind, take your petty squabble somewhere else. and refrain from using my thread to further your own ends/arguments.
You have no friends here. What have you got to lose?
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@disgusted
Just don't engage at all.
Any wonder you don't have any friends either!!
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